Im sorry to, forgive me. I took you literally Pman, as having a literal forum. Im such a dunse!!!!!!. I had so many questions for the forum. Peace and Blessings to ALL!!!
I want to apologize IJoP. Not for the message I was trying to convey but for how I went about it. I was rude and that is not okay. I also apologize to the forum in general.
I think your last post with your previous account was simply erroneously read as a request to have your account deleted. No harm no foul.
P, you never have to apologize, its words, we all get heated,. Sorry to raise the heat level, well its getting chilly out , so you might owe me one...haha Have a good nite sir! Peace!
No, it is important IJoP. We've had our run ins before and I know you have skin like a Rhino , but I still need to apologize. I can get very angry at times and it is just not okay to make personal attacks on a public forum. I was doing the very thing I was accusing you of. Rest well.
I am sorry Dean, if your account was deleted by mistake, there are so many coming and going it is like a turnstile. People who wish to go should recall they can of course delete their own accounts. I have to say though compared to the number of members it is only a very tiny proportions who are leaving and in fact membership is going right on up. In addition to this viewing figures are going through the roof. So it just goes to show you never can tell. I think it shows folks are not as afraid as we think of dicussing very,very difficult issues and we should not be afraid of treading out on troubled waters. As far as me being who I really, really am several local members have my phone number and are welcome to phone or text me to confirm who I really, really am. But in advance , I just touched my nose and it really, really is me.
Some members seem to think that you have done a complete 180 on your former position re: Pope Francis. But as I have hinted I don't believe this is the case and people should be mindful of the important distinction between attacking the person of the Pope and disagreeing with, challenging, questioning etc some of his more contoversial actions and omissions.
Declaring we have a rogue Pope is a very serious thing to do and not something to be entered into lightly. There are serveral difficulties here, not the least being that in the last century or two all our Pope have been pretty Orthodox and most of them, the great majority even saints. So I like many others struggled with the fact that this guy has gone rogue. I didn't want to believe it and had to give a very lengthy period of discernment to be sure. To put it another way the confusion in the Church was reflected in my own heart and soul. However I ams ure now. I bleive he is one of the two Popes mentioned in La Salette who are, 'Worm ridden'. Don't get me wrong he is still Pope and we are still bound to obey the Clown , but not of course pay any respect to off the cuff sound bite heresies he seems so very fond of. Bad Popes come, bad Popes go. This one will go , hopefully so. If you wish to know why I think this you cans ee my posts through this thread. My own instinct is things are going to get very,very much worse. But the Dogma of Papal Infallibilty of course remains intact because this huckster is pedalling his nonsense through the back door. I am doing going to keep coming on his goings on as a career move, I have other things to write about. My own advise to Orthodox Catholics is to batten down the hatches. Its goign to get very much course. Once he indulges in his next round of off the cuff sound bite heresy I might comment, we'll see. I must say I am astonished at the lack of substance in those whose intention appears to be to 'defend ' his nonsense. Name calling and emotional trumpet calls are pretty well all we're getting at the moment. I don;t really have time for juvenile name calling. Anyway here is a little insight in the , 'Two worm ridden Popes', thing from La Salette:
Francis is the legtimate Pope ,Canonically elected and we owe him obedience. I wish he wasn't , but he is.
A little earlier in this thread, I took up one of Kathy's postings which highlighted that the Pope was our father in Christ. As such, he deserves the respect and honour we give to our biological father. This is a requirement God puts on us, regardless of whether he is a good man or a bad man. Padraig, you are making a terrible mistake with regard to Francis but that is ok, we are allowed to make mistakes. But to denigrate anyone, least of all the Holy Father, is simply wrong. Did Jesus speak badly of Judas in the three years he had him at His side? I'm sorry but I couldn't read your comments without making some kind of response.
There is a kind of , 'This can't be happening effect', a surrealness to the fact we have been landed after so many centuries with an utterly bad Pope. The balloon of unreality needs pierced. This is what I am doing, attempting to bring us back to Earth. An antidote to sweetly poisonous false 'Mercy', heresy we are being spoon fed at the moment. A wake up call. As to Judas , Jesus publically named Him as a traitor at the Last Supper and had loads of very,very harsh things to say publically about the Pharisees. Scripture itself calls Judas, 'The son of perdition'. A measure of reality check is called for here. It may come as a shock to the system, but we will get over it...in time. The Pharisees of course, as Jesus mentioned, sat on the Chair of Moses and were Spiritual Fathers. Jesus well knew how to lay a verbal punch or two. It wasn't all sweetness and light, sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, just like He did. Matthew 23:27 Woes to Scribes and Pharisees …26"You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also. 27"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. 28"So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.… The Holy Father of course sits on the Chair of Moses. Matthew 23:2 Woes to Scribes and Pharisees 1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.…
The question I have Padraig and others on this issue of Pope Francis' orthodoxy, do you feel the Holy Spirit is no longer overseeing the Church? Is the bride of Christ no longer being led by Christ? Regardless of what is going on, I trust that God is and will remain in charge of his Church. We must trust and as the Amazon latest message said, we must pray for those in the Vatican "Soon, great suffering will come to the church, and the famous square [i.e. St Peter's square in Rome] will be bathed in blood, because true Christians do not pray as they should".
People are failing to see the signs and read between the lines. The Synod is over and according to many everything is fine and orthodoxy has won the day. If this is the case, why are good Churchmen still raising the alarm over these issues? All that is left is for the pope to write his Apostolic Exhortation. If there is zero chance the pope will promote error in this document, why does this noted archbishop continue to talk about the subject? Isn't he "attacking the pope" in claiming this is still an issue that must be fought, if the only one left to speak on the subject is the pope himself? http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=12918#.Vkt-Ua78eFI.email A caution from Archbishop Chaput: dishonest mercy is helpful to no one True mercy, and trust in the transformative power of God’s grace are key to helping divorced-and-remarried Catholics, Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has said in a critique of proposals to admit them to sacramental Communion without a change in their lives. “Ironically, a pastoral strategy that minimizes sin in the name of mercy cannot be merciful, because it is dishonest,” the archbishop said in a December 2015 essay for the U.S. journal First Things. Authentic mercy is evangelical and believes “God’s grace has the power to transform us.” This is relevant to the Church’s pastoral response to the divorced-and-remarried, he maintained. “The divorced and civilly remarried remain welcome members of the believing community. But neither can the Church ignore the Word of God on the permanence of marriage, nor mitigate the consequences of the choices that grown people freely make,” Archbishop Chaput said. The archbishop recounted the Gospel of John’s account of Christ and the woman caught in adultery, who was about to be stoned. All persons need God’s mercy, including those who consider themselves righteous, the archbishop explained. “Only Jesus can free us. Only he could have justly cast the first stone. But he didn’t, saying instead, ‘Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again’.” “God does not owe us forgiveness or redemption—or anything else. Nor does God’s mercy license us to continue in sin,” he said, repeating: “It demands a response to ‘go, and do not sin again’.” “In forgiving the woman, Jesus does by grace what the moral law cannot do. He gives her a new life in God’s friendship,” Archbishop Chaput added. He reflected upon proposals to admit to sacramental Communion divorced-and-civilly-remarried persons who have not made a change to their lives and where annulments “are not deemed possible.” “According to such proposals, couples who are sexually active with people to whom they are not really married in the eyes of the Church might receive the Eucharist even without confession of their sins, and without seeking to be chaste while living as ‘brother and sister’,” he said. Such proposals are advanced as “expressions of mercy” and draw strength from “the fact that many of the people they seek to help are decent, well-intending persons tied to complex new relationships, often with children.” Archbishop Chaput rejected claims that Church practice punishes and excludes those in irregular unions. He said the Church “cannot confirm human beings in patterns of behavior that separate them from God and remain faithful to her own mission at the same time.” The archbishop said Christ’s mercy is not a “judgment against all judgments.” The damage of sin “cannot easily be undone – adultery being a perfect example.” However, the encounter between Christ and the woman is a reminder that “apart from God’s grace, all of us are misshapen by the distorted desires of our hearts.” He said truth is essential to the Sacrament of Reconciliation. When truthfully received, the sacrament is “a steady path to transformation and holiness.” “A sincere movement toward God always entails a movement away from sin and error,” he continued. “The Church can be truthful without being merciful, like the scribes who wished to stone the adulteress who violated the Mosaic law. But the Church cannot be merciful without being truthful.” “A pastoral approach that ignores this truth out of a thinly veiled pastoral despair and accommodationism will result in less faith, not more,” the archbishop said. “What ensues from an untruthful teaching about and practice of the sacraments is not a more zealous evangelical life but its collapse,” he continued, suggesting this has happened in parts of Europe that have departed from Catholic teaching. Archbishop Chaput noted Pope Francis’ exhortation that Christians accompany others in “the tangled realities of their lives.” “This is a key aspect of mercy and a vital expression of Christian love. Sin’s bonds are strong, and God’s grace often unwinds them slowly,” he said. “Sometimes, the most important word that another person needs to hear is best whispered gently and patiently. We must be close to those whom we love if we’re to do our part in lifting them up to the fullness of the Gospel.” The archbishop warned that a “therapeutic age” misunderstands this effort and tries to affirm people “indiscriminately as they are.” “This is not mercy. God’s mercy always moves us forward and upward. No sin places us beyond God’s forgiveness. His mercy endures forever,” he said. He added: “it would be the opposite of mercy to say ‘come’ and then imply that we need not move, need not step out of our present romance with sin and toward obedience to God’s life-giving righteousness, the law of Jesus Christ.” “Christians are sent into the world bearing the imprint of the mercy of the Cross on our lives,” he said. This mercy is the preaching of “the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ.” This is not “affirmation” but something more powerful: redemption. “The Church in this Year of Mercy invites us to encounter anew the love of our Redeemer. She opens her doors to the world and invites all to enter and join the marriage feast of the Lamb,” the archbishop concluded.
Firstly I would say that this prophecy of a massacre in Rome could be made by any ten year old paying attention to current affairs. Secondly that God is ultimately in charge and guides all things by the gentle disposition of his divine providence does not mean that bad things won't happen. History is a great teacher and there have been many evil and crazy popes in the last two millenia. The Holy SPIRIT continues to guide and sustain the Church despite human weakness this too history teaches us.
I am a bit lost at the equation of the Islamic State attacking Rome (which we can all see coming a mile off) and us having a good Pope. By inference then if Islamic State set off a Nuke in Rome we'd have the best Pope in history? Baffling.
Padraig, the only reason I have "this can't be happening effect" is not because of what the Pope is saying or not saying (trust me I have my issues too and wish he would be more clear or not speak off the cuff so much) it is because of you and your scolding hot one moment for this pope then freezing cold the next. I am stunned and in shock with you and your behavior with this Pope since he was elected but so much more now than ever. Your view of him has flipped flopped more than a politician does. Every time in the past though you come forward with some new wisdom. This time is different though. You speak of heresy and you yourself are resorting to juvenile name calling when you refer to him as a clown. Cb I think that is very offensive for any catholic, especially an orthodox one, to refer to the Vicar of Christ as a heretic or a clown or hucksters. Being angry with him is one thing but being disrespectful is another. Please take your own advise and stop with the name calling of the Holy Father. Those kind of words and actions do not belong on a site dedicated to the Holy Mother. We can all disagree but the line of being disrespectful to the Holy Father should not be crosses. So sorry for one more emotional trumpet calling post by me but you don't seem like the same man these days. My emotional posts to you are out of my love, respect and concern for a dear brother and friend in Christ as I view you to be. Peace be with you and I will take your advise now and be silent on this issue.
As far as Pope Francis is concerned , Andy, I promise you I am only getting warmed up, I will not stand condemned at the Throne of God at the End of Time by staying silent about this great evil which is come upon us: http://fathersofstjoseph.org/true-and-false-mercy/
Thank you Padraig for your reply. I still have a niggling question that won't seem to go away though... Where does this leave you and Our Lady? If you go back to the " Our Lady and the Forum" thread of Sept 25th, and read the inspirations you say you got from her about the Pope and how you were going to do as she asked. Now that you have done a u turn, are you saying it wasn't Our Lady who gave you those inspirations, or that it was, and you have decided not to heed her now only 8 weeks later? I am trying to discern this and finding it difficult. Hopefully you can help. BC
A good question. I thought this from Our Lady and I was wrong, or possibly Our Lady wanted me to keep quiet till the smoke cleared a little. I am afraid I am not Moses coming down the Mountain with the Ten Commandments, I am a sinner and quite fallible. http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=257138
