I think the message from our Lord to Verne Dagenais say's all we need to know in this matter. http://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen 09/25/07 My son, there is much fighting in my church regarding the consecration of Russia. Many older prophecies were given regarding a communist led war which resulted in the destruction of much of Europe, including the Vatican. Documents released in your media verify these war plans. But my people forget one important factor in this discussion: God. I alone govern the universe and the affairs of mankind. I even govern the affairs of hell. Nothing happens without my will being done. Do you even think one moment, I am going to give glory to Satan and man’s pride? Remember Isaias 42:8: I, the Lord: this is my name. I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to graven things. My son, John Paul II consecrated the world to the Immaculate heart of Mary, as you already know. Do you not think my son, these consecrations bore no fruit? For I the Lord God Almighty creator of heaven and earth prophesy to you: The result of the consecration of the world to my son’s mother Mary had two effects. It interrupted and changed the plans of masonic communistic forces and it gave the world an extended period of my mercy. Do you truly think a consecration to the Mother of Mercy would have no effect? It allowed more souls to enter my kingdom. Do not forget my primary purpose is the salvation of my children. If you remember this my son, world events will make sense to you. Look at events from the eyes of your Father in heaven, not with your human eyes and understanding. My son at Fatima, my daughter Mary asked explicitly for the consecration of Russia by the Pope and the bishops of the world. This event has not taken place as asked by my daughter Mary. If it had my son, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary would have already taken place. You would already be living in the era of peace. It is evident there is no peace in your world. Only a blind man would make such a statement. My son, mankind has not responded to my mercy. Mankind has increasingly become more evil and sinful. A day will soon arrive which will cause my wrath to chastise my children. Again, I say these words not to frighten, but to wake up my children. If you live in my peace, there truly is nothing to fear. Again, only the ungodly and lukewarm need to fear. My son, the Masonic communistic forces are again starting to rise in your world. The forces of Islamic terrorism, communism, and practical atheism are being used by Satan to cause another World War. For I the Lord prophesy to you again: If mankind refuses my mercy, another World War will be allowed and the man of sin will be allowed to chastise the ungodly and sinner. Read these words carefully. I am allowing these events because of my people rejecting my mercy. Where are the prayers, penances, and masses being offered in reverence for my honor and glory? Why do my people reject prayer and fasting to bring about my continual mercy on your world? Do you not see my hand in the weather changes and natural disasters occurring on your planet? Isaias 45:12,18. I made the earth: and I created man upon it. My hand stretched forth the heavens: and I have commanded all their host. For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens, God himself that formed the earth and made it, the very maker thereof, who did not create it in vain, who formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is no other. Remember stop trying to figure out the mind and purposes of the Almighty. Seek not the things that are to high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. Ecclesiasticus 3:22. But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, for I am the Lord that exercise mercy and judgment and justice in the earth: for these things pleases me, saith the Lord. Jeremiah 9:24. What did my son command you to do above all other things? Love your God and your neighbor. Are you truly fulfilling these two commandments? If not, repent of your sins. My son, while my people argue over the validity of the consecration of Russia, many souls are going to hell. Do not allow yourself to be caught in Satan’s trap. The consecration has not taken place. It will take place. The message of Fatima was primarily concerned with repentance and the salvation of souls. The consecration of Russia is a message addressed to the Pope and bishops of the world. Pray my Holy Spirit will give the Holy Father the strength and wisdom to overcome the forces fighting against him. My son, I am gong to tell you why the consecration of Russia has not yet taken place. My church was not purified of the evil forces hiding among the clergy. Remember the Pope and bishops of the world are required to make the consecration. In the past, there were to many Bishops who were rebellious against the Holy Father for the consecration to have taken place. My Holy Spirit has led the holy Father to purify my house. Once my church is purified and my house is in order, you will see the consecration of Russia done. As you have read, my son told Sister Lucy it would be done late. Now Read Isaias 55:8 , 11. For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth. It shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it. Do not presume in your pride to know the mind of God. Do not cause division among my people by arguing over the consecration of Russia. It is a deceptive trick of Satan to prevent my people from focusing on your mission: the salvation of souls. Again, I will repeat myself for you. Your mission is to lead souls to my son Jesus Christ for salvation, not cause souls to leave my church because of your proud and argumentative spirit. I the Lord will hold you accountable for your actions, words, and thoughts, which cause another to stumble. The consecration will take place in my time, not yours or Satan’s. I receive no honor and glory from your pride but only from your humility. Be a part of my son’s army and my daughter Mary’s army. Fulfill your mission. Let those whose mission it is to work for the consecration of Russia, fulfill their mission. It is not your mission. Do not cause schism or division, but love and unity among my people. I repeat myself to stop the confusion among my people. If you do my will, I will protect and guide you no matter what takes place. For I am the same living God of the Bible who is your Father today and forever. I love you my people. Return to the Father’s fold through the graces of my son Jesus Christ, the power of my Holy Spirit, and the intercession of my daughter Mary. These are words from Almighty God to my people. Amen.
But when and how and if this is done is reserved to the authority appointed. The timing and manner is not our choice or decision. The church is not a democracy. It is a Theocracy. God make the laws not us and the Pope has been given His power of attorney. Pope Pius XII saved the lives of 860,000 Jews in WWII by wise application of his responsibility and duty. While the authorities may not have completed the consecration of Russia neither have the laity completed the consecration of themselves to The Immaculate Heart. No matter what opinion we hold with regard to the Pope we are still bound by obedience. How can we say we know better than the Church. Church leaders are privy to more information than we can imagine. Where does it state positively that the church is obliged to denounce Communism in all circumstances and at all times? Our Lord himself was subject to the trickery and treachery of the church personnel of His day and so did not spill all the beans all the time. For instance, He knew the sins of those who were going to stone the woman caught in adultery. He simply asked a question but did not condemn them outright, directly and in public at the time. This perhaps would have been too inflammatory and resulted in more deaths that would not have served His purpose. The opposition of the Church to atheistic Communism is presumed. When and how it proclaims this opposition is left to the discretion of the church authorities, not ours. I am afraid that Fatima, all to often has been hijacked by those who wish to promote their own agenda. This agenda may involve outright opposition to current practices of the Faith and to the current Pontificate. Nothing will persuade such opposition to desist and reconsider. Too be a true Catholic does not mean we act in the belief that we know best but that God knows best and that He has given guardianship of His ways to the Pope and the Church. I do not like all I know about Fatima. But I do not know everything that the Church knows about Fatima. I can really only do my part and leave the Church to do hers if indeed something further needs to be done. John Paul II wrote to all the Bishops of the world asking them to unite with him. Then on March 25 1984, in public and with the bishops who wished to join with him, made the Consecration which Sister Lucy approved as the one Our Lady requested. In the letter the Pope had sent to the world's bishops, the Holy Father made clear that that it was to renew both the consecration of the world (1942) AND THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA (1952). (Taken from EWTN Fatima 1984 consecration.) I cannot find a copy of this letter anywhere and the consecration itself does not mention Russia. If anyone has a copy please let us see it and the so called confirmation of Russia's inclusion. I wonder if Sister Lucy had receied this assurance without sighting the letter and so signed her letter of approval. Who knows. Not me. I do not have time for this intrigue and speculation. Only for Jesus and Mary. Sister Lucy ends her own letter with "And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them." What a strange way to end a letter.
Ok so do t want to go digging, but one of these threads had something about end of November 2016 as a date of interest and how 33 years played all sorts of ways into it. 33months from that? Pope Benedict stepped aside
Thanks all. Went great. Out of our 8 births this was by far the best ,thanks for the prayers.Healthy 7.1pd girl. I really appreciated the forum more than usual today. While I love having a new baby, Im not a big fan of the whole birthing process thing Im a little jealous of the old guys who just stood around in the waiting rooms handing out cigars. Now I have to be' one' with the whole process and practically deliver the baby myself. View attachment 3656
There is a lot I agree with in your post Joe . And some I disagree with. I dont think most want to see these points brought up[again] though. Most are familiar with them.
St. Therese is my role model in this approach - when I read the Story of a Soul I couldn't figure out why she was a Doctor of the Church coz to me she just seemed lazy, whereas I really worked at my prayer. Boy has God knocked some stuffing out of me since then!
Congratulations, Mac. I have a deep admiration for those who have an heroic openness to and welcoming of new life in these benighted times.
Congrats Mac. I have #7 due in February God willing. Respect those who have bigger flocks than I do for sure. Glad all went well
First of all...congratulations Mac. Prayers for all. And....the latest from Luz de Maria (if anyone follows)...I've just begun to since I believe Peter B has mentioned them: Do not be confused, My children, the fighting will recrudesce as the instant goes by. The fulfillment of Great Revelations is still pending, revelations that concern the salvation of mankind; they have not complied with the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, they have consecrated France to My Son’s Sacred Heart, and the whole world, BUT THEY HAVE NOT COMPLIED WITH MY GREAT PETITION TO AVOID CALAMITIES AND GREAT SUFFERING FOR THIS GENERATION. TIME IS NOT TIME, IT’S AN INSTANT, AND WITHIN THAT INSTANT IT SEEMS ROME DOES NOT LOOK AT THE INSTANT AS SUCH, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT COMPLY WITH MY PETITION. My Son has accepted the good intentions of some of My beloved Peters when they have entrusted the world to My Immaculate Heart, but they have not yet fully complied with My Indications.
Mac, i didn't even know you were expecting! Major congratulations. As a mother of 4 I'm no fan of the birthing process myself. I am sooo pleased for you and the rest of your family. God bless ye, and may the mantle of Mary always protect ye.
My goodness Mac, and you too RetrouvailleMan, they must be a busy, brilliant, homes! God Bless you all, it's always great to hear about new arrivals, DBM.
