I'm with you on that. When it comes to aliens I am an absolute doubting Thomas. Nope. I just don't believe it.
Perfect. You summed up my thought exactly. If aliens exists: - and are good => they're like angels, no need for redemption. - and are bad => they're fallen angels (demons). No redemption for them. What's the only being redeemed by Jesus Christ? The human being.
I've seen the entrance too, but its near a village called Matamata in New Zealand. There's this hill with a large spreading tree and beneath it there are all these dwellings built into the hillside with large round doors. The inhabitants are half human size. (The tree is actually pure plastic).
I think this is theologically unsustainable sorry Pijon. Aliens are "extra terrestrial" Angels are probably better described as "super terrestrial". So aliens are outside of (planet) "earth" (as in terra). That just means they are from another (earthy/material) planet I suppose. That means they have a similar nature to us and animals (being composed of body and soul). But humans, because we are allegedly intelligent, we have eternal souls (ie spiritual souls) which live on after death, unlike animals (allegedly). Bu Angels are above (as in "super") earth (the "terra" in terrestrial) - which doesn't mean they are from another galaxy far far away. It means they have a different nature from us "terrestrials", they have no "terra" (ie no materiality) in their make-up, they are pure spirits who have no bodies and don't need spaceships. Angels don't have souls because they don't have bodies. In short, aliens, in the usual meaning of that word, has to mean an intelligent, bodily creature. Therefore they have a similar nature to "humans" - also possessing body and soul. Therefore they cannot be angels or demons because "angelic nature" is pure spirit without either soul or body. So you still don't have a solution to your question I am afraid. Does it matter?
Nope...bad angels can become things. Black dogs, crows...and take human form. Their goes your your thesis on aliens Brother al
I remember reading about the rounds of Luisa Piccarreta, and that during the night Our Lord would take her by the hand or at other times carry her through the universe and she with Jesus would see all of creation, the stars and the solar systems and Jesus would even place her on the different planets and that she with Jesus would run and fly through the different worlds. Luisa was bed bound, so this was thought to be her dreaming or in her imagination, however she insisted this did happen in reality and at times her carers found that her stocking and socks were soiled with unknown materials, but she could not get out of bed? In these flights and in her writtings there was never any mention of other alien beings or encounters of such. Luisa, states in her writtings that all of the beautiful creation of our universe was created out of Love for mankind and God wants our Love in return through our Fiat. His Divine Will grants all these beauties to us and they are part of His, 'I love you', for mankind. There are many devotees to the Divine Will on the forum and hopefully they may be able to give us greater insight. Below are the first 5 rounds of the 24 hour rounds of Luisa Piccarreta First Hour. The soul follows the Divine Will in the creation of the Heaven and of the Sun. My Jesus, I want to make my own all the love that your Divine Fiat had in creating the star-studded sky, so I may in turn spread out my heaven of love in your Omnipotent Fiat. And so, adorning all the sky with my love, I want to give my voice to every star, so it may repeat with me: “Jesus, I love You! May your Kingdom come quickly upon the earth.” I come to the Sun which you created for me: I want to receive in myself all its light, its warmth and all its effects, so I too may be able to offer you my sun, to praise, glorify and bless with it the everlasting Light, its unquenchable Love, Your exquisite Beauty, Your infinite Sweetness, Your countless tastes. Second Hour The soul follows the Divine Will in the creation of the sea and the wind. My Jesus, I come to the sea, I hear its continuous murmur, the symbol of your Eternal Motion that never stops. I enter into that infinite and ceaseless Divine Motion that gives life to everyone, and I make it my own to give it to everyone and to ask You in behalf of everyone for the Kingdom of your Will. I make rounds also in the wind, to love, to praise, to glorify, to sing, and to bless the Kingdom of your Will in it. Jesus, with the Sovereignty of your Supreme Will, make Your Kingdom come in the midst of creatures, and dominate in them in such a way that no one will ever be able to resist It. God creating the world. Third Hour The soul follows the Divine Will flying over the earth, admiring all created things. My Jesus, I see that all creation is filled with your adorable Will. And I want to praise, to glorify, and to seal with my “I love You” the order and harmony of all Creation, to bring to everyone the order and harmony of the Kingdom of the Divine Will. I want also to animate everything, and give my voice to all, so that all will say: “Thy Will come to reign upon the earth.” Fourth Hour The soul goes to Eden and joins in God’s festivity over the creation of man. My Jesus, here I am in Paradise where I contemplate how with the Father and the Holy Spirit You are forming your beloved jewel, your masterpiece: the beautiful statue of man. With how much love They form the statue! They infuse so much beauty in it, They dress it in so many Divine hues! And being able to contain Themselves no more, They infuse in the statue Life and Their Own Likeness. Offering Adam’s acts I also want to receive Your breath of Creation and I want to love You and adore You with the same perfection and holiness with which my first Father, Adam, loved and adored You; and offering You Adam’s acts, I ask of You, that Your Reign come. Fifth Hour The soul is present at the fall of Adam in Eden, and tries to make amends with its own love. My Jesus, Adam and Eve withdrew from your Will to do their own. And from the highest degree of all joy and delight, they plunged into the abyss of all miseries. To console your Heart, I want to form my fixed abode in your Divine Will. I never want to turn away from It.
Sometimes I honestly believe that certain things are kept hidden from visionaries. Things that are to be disclosed later according to God's timing.
You've been watching too many movies perhaps Al. Demons possess an Angelic nature and even though Fallen materiality is not proper to that Nature. Sure, they have been given power over "the air" which means the deeper aspects of our material world. That is usually understood as the ability to possess man or animals, to appear in those forms by impressing the imagination. I have never come across a mainstream Catholic Theology that would suggest they can manifest a real human or animal body from their own intrinsic nature nor by fashioning one from dust, nor by creating one from nothing.
I'm afraid, because I haven't expressed myself clearly. What do I mean with extraterrestrial? A being which is either a good angel or a fallen one. The dictionary states that extraterrestrial means "originating, located, or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere". So, that definition could still apply to angels. Maybe this is an improper thing to say, I should say "super terrestrials", as you're suggesting. But if "super terrestrials" do exist, then extraterrestrials which are redeemed, or have to be redeemed, cannot, because they would have been redeemed from what? From the original sin, which only affected the human being. I remember that an exorcist once said that the UFO's we see in the sky, are basically demonic manifestations, and I believe in him. Do you start believing in Jesus Christ when you see them? No, instead you start wondering if you are not alone, and if the Church is not telling the truth. And those are bad fruits. Anyway, I will never believe that other intelligent beings exist which are also redeemed by Jesus Christ. They should have to be descendant of Adam and Eve, like I explained above. We often wonder how man thousand of years ago was able to build some incredible buildings or other artifacts, using an unknown technology, and with a huge knowledge of the solar system, and the universe. Now an interesting theory, which I've just thought: what if, many years ago, humanity evolved so rapidly that some of it reached other planets? Then we would have other descendant of Adam and Eve living on other planets, which would have consequently been redeemed by Jesus Christ, while still being "extraterrestrials". Then I would accept it. Anyway, maybe this could just be a good plot for a random Sci-Fi book.
You should give a read at some of Padre Pio memories. He often cited Satan taking the form of beautiful naked women, rabid dogs, or even of his spiritual father, to tempt/scare him: http://www.santuariditalia.it/campania/padre-pio-e-gli-incontro-scontri-con-il-diavolo/
Let us assume that Christ redeemed the extra terrestials on the basis of Garabandal authenticity, then it may be also plausible that: 1. Christ, the word, the second person of the trinity, may have descended and incarnated again (or ahead of the earthly timings) to an unknown extra terrestial virgin who is also immaculate and chosen singularly (how can it be possible?) in time and in eternity. The extra terrestial virgin being may also be considered a queen among the extra terrestial heavenly beings from a different type of planets unknown to us. So in heaven, we may expect to see different Queens surrounding the kingdom of God. 2. Since Our Lady of Garabandal never mentioned as to how many types of intelligent beings were there in the galaxy among different types of planets, we may assume that the incarnation, death and ressurection of Christ, may not be limited to only one occurrence but may be multiple, may be a hundred times, or a thousand, or even a billion times. Therefore, there may be one Christ, ascending and descending multiple times to redeemed these extra terrestial beings stained with sins from a different time period. Or may be not, that Christ may have died only once, and chosen only one earth-- to accomplish the redemption for all beings, extra terrestials or not. But how about the body of Christ in the form of the Eucharist that without it as a spiritual food, no one can have eternal life. Could this possibly explain the numerous sightings and manifestations of UFOs in our planet? That they are in dire need of the Eucharist? 3. Also, that there may be more than one heaven, probaly millions of different types to accommodate different other intelligent beings. Some may have scary humanoid faces but may be considered as an image of God since they may possess both the extra terrestial will and the will of God in them. But then again, scary images as depicted from the numerous alien encounter suggest that it can never be from God, but from the adversary! I'd rather be in hell than to see these UFOs beside me in heaven. 4. Or if these were all false, Then it is much easier to accept that Garabandal could also be false? The only problem here is, I may plant seeds of doubt against Vassula Ryden and Veronica Leuken who also promote Garabandal messages as authentic. Or it may be that Garabandal messages are true except to this one? Has anyone really validated if this message came from the words of Our Lady to Conchita. Take note from the report as stated: 'Conchita was heard asking her vision....:". . Sounds crazy as if she is talking to her dream and not to Our Lady. But then again, these apparitions have nothing to do with our salvation that even without them, Christ is enough. As to the question of their authenticity, i now completely doubt just because of this unaccepble message about intelligent beings being redeemed by Christ. It is an insult to the Blessed Mother who was chosen singularly and uniquely as to have no equal. It implicates that the love of Our Lady is not enough that God has to create another Mary of an extra-terrestial type based on the premise thar Christ had also redeemed them.
Why do you think this was not a mental impression (ie a spiritual apparition only he could see) rather than flesh and blood reality? Did other monks see it? I have never heard of such a thing - maybe you can surprise me with a reference!
Yes...you got it. Real or not real isn't the question. If one see's it, it is as real as can be. Angels come as human form...why not bad angels. Sorry, but you make angels and demons some other worldly beings. They are...but sometimes God let's them enter our plain directly. Brother al
Pijon, the word was coined by scientist/secular types and not by the Church. Therefore "outside the earth's atmosphere" refers to the rest of material creation. It is defined Church teaching that angels and demons are not material creations of God, therefore you are mistaken. Yes in ancient times we referred to heaven as being above the earth's atmosphere - afterall the very word for "heaven" (Latin Caelum) originally meant "sky" before religion took over the word. That is no longer taken literally but symbolically. The "heaven" of the angels (and of God) is not located in some undiscovered corner of the material universe accessible by space-ships.
Most of these "apparitions" weren't spiritual at all, because Padre Pio didn't succumb to the temptation, so Satan full of anger even beat him during the night! And the physical bruises were visible the day after. You'll find this and many other things here: http://www.padrepio.catholicwebservices.com/ENGLISH/The_Devil.htm
So, since Conchita says ET exists??? I don't know!? Is this maybe why the Bishop rejected Garabindel??? I never followed G, many Blue Army member friends do but I never was drawn... I don't care either way, just a thought???
Lets get a few facts straight. First, Conchita DID NOT say there is "Intelligent beings", OUR BLESSED MOTHER DID,when Conchita asked her. So if you're going to blame and doubt someone, its Mary , you're calling a liar ! Second , the original Bishop NEVER SUBMITTED A REPORT TO THE VATICAN, know why? NO PROOF ! HIS OWN PRIESTS AND DOCTORS REFUSED TO SUPPORT HIM. The Chief of the Civil Guard filed a report AGAINST THE BISHOP because he refused to allow the Police reports, and hundreds of witnessess who ASKED TO TESTIFY,but were stopped by the Bishop ! And what kind of responsible Bishop REFUSES to interview the girls, or any eyewitness,before making up his mind ? THird, Pope Paul VI, Saint Padre Pio , and Mother Teresa, who all met Conchita, supported her and the apparitions. They actually took the time to talk to her,before judging. Fourth , If you " don't care anyway", why did you post ? Try getting the facts before making reckless statements, you only embarrass yourself, just like the Bishop did.
Upon presenting the memoirs of Jaun Alveraz Seco, Brigadier Chief of the Civil Guard, and the man responsible for maintaining order in the village during the apparitions, Anotnio Pacio, M.S.C. Professor at the University of Barcelona writes: “ I would like to only state one thing to forestall the objections on many based on various official communiqués coming from the Diocese of Santandar. These communiqués should have been preceded by a substantial interrogation of the myriad witnesses” “Among these witnesses , one who stands out is Juan Alvarez Seco, Brigadier Chief of the Civil Guard,who is the author of these memoirs. He was present from the beginning to 1962,and at 1965 at the time of the Message, and he had the duty of informing his superiors and the Civil Governor and all that was going on in Garabandal, while at the same time he had to maintain order in the village. “ “Well, none of the Commissioners, who rejected the supernatural events at Garabandal, ever asked him to testify, nor did they deign to even interview him, who was the “official informant” to the authorities. This detail suffices to illustrate the “true and impartiality “ with which the various episcopal commissions endeavored to inform themselves. THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN BELIEVEING WITNESSESS, BUT ONLY THE UNBELIEVING. THEY WANTED AT ALL COST, TO DISCREDIT THE MANISFISTATIONS, AND IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THIS, THAT HAD TO ELIMINATE ANY WITNESS,INCLINED TO BE FAVORABLE, NO MATTER WHAT HIS COMPENTENCY”. From “The Village Speaks” pgs 69 - 70.
