Mac you'll know when Padraig gives ya the boot...you'll just dissapear off the forum. Sort of like a Catholic Ninja Mutant turtle terminator in the night. Ah heck...just stay in the game...ultimately we are all on the same team striving to make sense out of this crazy world. Every once in a while the coach blows his whistle. Hang in there brother...we need your imput and wisdom.
Hang in there Mac. We need your imput. Everybody thought I was spreading heresy when I was exposing priests, bishops, and cardinals for pedophilia way back when.
Thanks for the support folks,I will continue then,if not removed. Harsh accusation though Padraig.Im happy to debate with forum members ,but this is your forum and wont argue with you.
Here is a previous thread on the same subject, where some discussion on the subject matter occured. http://motheofgod.com/threads/prophecies-of-marie-julie-jahenny-1850-1941.1122/ Like Blessed Anna Maria Taigi the three days seems literal. Also I notice people seem to agree that the 3 days of darkness is now the 10th secret, in the past people on this forum people thought that the 10th would be nuclear war.
Amazingly in one way or another, I believe one could say all three of you are correct. Look at the beliefs of millions of traditionalist catholics who hold that "there is no salvation outside the catholic church". They would argue this doctrine has been infallibly defined 3 times. A V2 catholic would say that is true but it means "thru" the catholic church. How broad/narrow is the definition of papal infallibilty?
Like others I don't see that this visionary says that the infallible will become fallible, she seems to be merely confirming what other visionaries have said and do say about schism in the Church. On another thread you appear to accept that there will, one day, be a false Pope. This is just as contradictory. How can a (genuine) Pope teach false dogma? It is a contradiction in terms, it can't happen. This could only occur if someone the world believed was 'pope' had not been validly elected, but how would the man in the pew ever know? Our Lady of Akita said that Cardinal would oppose Cardinal and Bishop oppose Bishop. But why will that matter if at the time we have the ultimate authority of a validly elected Pope? And yet it appears that it is going to matter. There is, according to many visionaries, going to be a schism. The fact that we can't envision how this is going to occur does not necessarily invalidate what they say. Imagine for a moment that two factions and two 'Popes' walk out of a conclave and dispute the outcome (like most African general elections). Where would we be? I guess that the people would follow the 'pope' whose views they most closeley identified with. Or two separate conclaves were convened if the Cardinals could not convene in Rome and both conclaves made a choice. Anything could happen.
Im not suprised she has not been elevated to sainthood. The messages against the new Mass are scathing.All approved none the less.
Saw So France gets off lightly losing only half not three quarters of its people? That's one good thing at least. What's with the second book?
Yes ,lucky France . It is mentioned by another visionary here... “My son,” said Fr Pel, “know that with the sins of the world increasing in horror as this age wears on, great punishments from God will come down on the world and no continent will be spared by the Wrath of God. France being guilty of apostasy and denying its vocation will be severely chastised. East of a line stretching from Bordeaux in the south-west to Lille in the north-east, everything will be laid waste and set on fire by peoples invading from the east, and also by great flaming meteorites falling in a rain of fire upon all the earth and upon these regions especially. Revolution, war,epidemics, plagues, chemical poison gases, violent earthquakes and the re-awakening of France’s extinct volcanoes will destroy everything . . “France to the west of that line will be less affected . . . because of the faith rooted in the Vendée and in Brittany . . . but any of God’s worst enemies seeking refuge there from the worldwide cataclysm will be found out, wherever they hide, and put to death by devils, because the Wrath of the Lord is just and holy. Thick darkness caused by the war, gigantic fires and fragments of burning stars falling for three days and nights will cause the sun to disappear, and only candles blessed on Candlemas (February 2) will give light in the hands of believers, but the godless will not see this miraculous light because they have darkness in their souls. “In this way, my son, three quarters of mankind will be destroyed, and in certain parts of France survivors will have to go 60 miles to find another live human being . . . . Several nations will disappear off the face of the map . . . . A France thus purified will become the renewed “Eldest Daughter of the Church,” because all the Cains and Judases will have disappeared in this ‘Judgment upon the Nations’”. This Judgment is not yet the end of times, but so great is the punishment due to the sins of the nations that Our Lord told Fr Pel that the desolation at world’s end will be lesser.
Had you ever heard of Fr Pell, BH? He seems to have visited Garabandal....During his only visit to San Sebastian de Garabandal, on June 18, 1965, he spent the morning in the village church, praying and hearing confessions. At the time of the apparition of the Angel to Conchita, Fr. Pel. left behind the crowd because of his advanced age, suddenly found himself inexplicably "transported" to only four and a half feet away from the visionary. We must also note that the priest knew before anybody else the hour of the ecstasy (11:40 p.m.) . . . A much more detailed account of the unusual relationship of Fr. Pel with Garabandal will be published later . . . [From 'Garabandal' Book, page 225-226] Ler mais: http://www.mensagemdegarabandal.com/products/father-pel-/
Yes it is nasty but much of it believable especially when taken with other prophesies with which it has much in common. Just one question, did the words "The New Mass" come from the prophesy or the film maker?
Marie-Julie Jahenny of France had revelations before the creation of a new mass. Her prophesy is as follows: "I give you a warning. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas, and under the influence of the enemy of souls, a Mass that contains words which are odious in My Sight. " Is this prophecy true? If so, why should we not believe that it is referring to the devastating results of the liturgical reforms of Vatican II? After all, Jean Guitton, an intimate friend of Pope Paul VI, indicated that Paul VI's intention in replacing the liturgy was "to reform the Catholic Liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy." Many of the Churches in my home diocese are looking more like Protestant churches. The Mass in many dioceses looks more Protestant than Catholic. Even Protestant friends have noted as much. While I love my Church and the Holy Father, I have come to question Vatican II.http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showre...d=music&pgnu=4&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=186
You know I have to defend my church and it sounds like Jean Guitton may have had a poorer understanding of Paul VI than some say especially when you see how strong Pope Paul was on such things as Humane Vitae. Yes I agree that many of the changes in our churches were not just unfortunate; they were, in my opinion, wrong, no matter how well intentioned. For the sake of honesty I will say I could never accept the change in the words of Consecration. For me that change seemed to invalidate the mass. But I accepted it praying for change and the change back to "many" has been made. Another change I hated was the sidelining of the tabernacle. In my church that is now bang in the center where it belongs. The Divine Presence is felt immediately. I also hated the addition of the Protestant words to the Lords Prayer. Who can improve on the words of Our Lord. I have just deleted a whole list of other changes I did not like, but only because I know it could be used and taken in the wrong way. Like you Mac I love my Church and my Pope. The love is just a bit more obvious in my attitude to Pope Francis
Yes people like Marie Julie suffer more than we could ever imagine and do not compete for popularity, just like Jeremiah. But we should be careful how we use prophesy from saints like her.
I am fine with Marie-Julie,not so fine people who hi-jack the poor woman. Even the devil can quote Scripture
It has got to be every utube video on seerers and apparitions has an angle. Fatima is a good example. Even worse some of the hi-jackers are sede vacanters. ....heretics
God has not, does not, and will not abandon His Church. Fullstop. I don't care how many "Vatican 2s", there has been or will be or can be pointed to, to indicate the opposite. Jesus built His church on the Rock. On poor Simon, who so wanted to be the one who was seen as the greatest lover of God but who was fallible in many instances when dealing with God when opposed to his own human nature. I am so Happy Our Lord gave His Infallible promised to St Peter. As it didn't depend on poor fallible Simon Peter. Jesus said, Upon this Rock, I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Thank you, Jesus, Thank you. My Lord and My God Help me/us in my/our unbelief.
