Russian Armaments Heading for Ukraine Border.

looks like the guy filming is heading in the right direction!
"And while they speak of peace, they prepare for war with the most devastating implements to destroy peoples and nations. Russia with her secret armies will battle America; overrun Europe". -Sister Elena Aiello

 

Saw a similar scene in late 2002 but it was a freight train with car after car loaded with tanks headed to the port of Savannah as the US was preparing to invade Iraq. We hadn't announced the invasion or intent but that was all I needed to see. Russia is going in, it's building and will continue. You think NATO or the US are going to stop them?

 

If the video is taken today and the location is by the boarder of Ukraine, that is a whole lot of armor and troop movement. Thats usually only done with one purpose in mind.. invasion.

Wasnt there just a cease fire agreement on the table? If the video is what it says it is...( don't know Russian) Perhaps the cease fire agreement fell through and Putin is acting 1st before the NATO confrence. Idk, I keep thinking what Malachi Martin said a year before he died... Kiev, Ukraine, Russia.

 

I don't believe President Putin intends to stop at the Ukraine. I now believe he intends to restore Russian power as it was 200 years ago, that means the Ukraine and places like Monrovia and Georgia the Baltic States (NATO members) It is an exact rerun of Hitler but a million times worse.

 

I know the title would lead one to believe this is fact but I would question it. Where was the video shot and when? Are they Russia tanks/trucks? How do we know where they are heading actually? (are those flags on back you see starting at 2:15? they look Canadian as they wizz by)

Observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) “have registered no troops, ammunition or weapons crossing the Russian-Ukrainian border over the past two weeks, the OSCE report said on Wednesday.” (Itar-Tass)
The OSCE report contradicts the statements made by the Kiev regime and its US-NATO sponsors. It confirms that NATO accusations pertaining to the influx of Russian tanks are an outright fabrication.

 

Apparently it is actually Russian equipment INSIDE Ukraine, which is far worse:

'Military equipment LC moves from Lugansk to Krasnodon

Video Channel "NEWS ZIRO" Military equipment of the People's Lugansk resbubliki moves in the direction of Lugansk Krasnodona'

 

I've learned in the last 20 years that the media can not be counted on to tell the truth. They are a corporate and political voice box, nothing more. As someone that values truth over lies, propaganda and spin I spend much time trying to see both sides and verify what is being reported. Yes, the other side can lie too I understand but in the quest for truth I believe I am closer than those that simply eat the latest CNN fodder. Even if it brings me no closer to the truth at least I have educated myself better on both sides of what is reported. This is a must for any truth seeker IMO.

Some believe the MSM is the reliable route for truth and everything found online to the contrary is garbage. I totally disagree.

http://rt.com/news/183536-nato-images-ridiculed-russia/


Meanwhile both the head of OSCE’s Ukrainian monitoring team and Russia's representative said there was no Russian presence spotted across the Ukraine border, refuting claims that a full-scale invasion was underway.

On Thursday, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Russian troops had entered Ukraine. The statement came as NATO released satellite images that it claimed showed Russian self-propelled artillery on Ukrainian territory. The alliance said about 1,000 Russian servicemen were taking part in hostilities in eastern Ukraine.

Russia's permanent representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov also said neither NATO, the United States or the European Union have presented any evidence of Russian troop presence in the east of Ukraine.

According to him, the “stuffing of misinformation through the media and directly from Kiev” each time is carried out on the eve of important meetings at the EU level, this time ahead of the summit on August 30 in Brussels, “probably in anticipation of some critical language and even sanctions from the EU,” Itar-Tass quotes.

And indeed, US President Barack Obama joined the chorus of anti-Russian rhetoric on Thursday, warning Moscow that more sanctions are in the works as the US is currently in consultation with its “European allies” ahead of a NATO meeting next week.

 

Wasn't 6 Russian paratroopers were captured and just returned to Russia. What more proof do you want.

Brother al

 

Yes, both sides are admitting 10 paratroopers were on the Ukraine side, of course so were 63 Ukraine soldiers on Russian side.

What more proof? Arn't we talking about supposed massive troops and artiliary? Yes, want proof of that. In fact that both sides are making a big deal about these 10 soldiers lends evidence to the rest being false.

Don't forget this WHOLE thing started from the US/EU supported, illegal overthrow of democratically elected President Yanukovych from Ukraine in Feb, 2014.

Why doesn't anyone have issue with this? We can put puppet leaders in any country we want? Please!!!!

Russia's permanent representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov also said neither NATO, the United States or the European Union have presented any evidence of Russian troop presence in the east of Ukraine.
Moscow. Ten Russian paratroopers captured inside Ukraine nearly one week ago have returned home following a troop exchange, Russian media reported Sunday, as cited by AFP.
In the early hours of Sunday the 10 paratroopers were handed over to Russian authorities at the Nekhoteyevka border crossing.
Russia in turn returned some 63 Ukrainian soldiers that had crossed onto its territory on Wednesday to flee fighting that has intensified during the past week.
"The talks were not easy, but common sense prevailed and everything turned out well," the deputy commander of the Russian paratroop forces, said Major General Alexei Ragozin.
"The most important is that all of our boys are back with us in Russia," he said.
Ukraine announced on Monday the capture of the 10 Russian paratroopers, who Moscow said had mistakenly crossed an unmarked area of the border while on patrol.

 

Well I recall my Spiritual Director one time telling me that the best way to discover the truth is to stop reading any or looking at any news media for six months and take everything to God in prayer.

There is a lot of truth in this.

But the danger of being suspicious of everything and cynical of all is that we kind of get lost in world of endless suspicion and cynicism in which there is no longer any real good or real evil . In which we kind of aimlessly drift.

We end up like a balloon blown in the winds up in the sky. No roots, no solid foundations.

The first step to love is trust. This involves risk. There is such a thing as real evil and I think that means more than saying, 'A plague on both your houses' .

I would be so sad if I could not believe in some degree of hope in all this.

A for instance the Ukainians have a right not to have their country invaded by a foreign power. That seems very reasonable to me..and little to ask.

 

Yes, Padraig, but who to trust? I'm sorry but I find Putin more worthy of trust than the NATO warriors... I remain open to the possibility that Putin might be the incarnation of evil that he is constantly being labelled by Obama and friends (and LttW!) but the evidence speaks differently as far as I can see. Today's agreement between Poroshenko and the opposing factions is a genuine sign of hope. If only this approach was encouraged by all parties.

 

Here is our NATO overlord Obama paying homage at Stonehenge today. Like the true pagan he really is.

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Looking at some of the posts above, I feel compelled to re-iterate certain basic points for those who do not read Eastern European sources.

1. It is not only the Western mainstream media who are saying that there are Russian troops in the Ukraine. The separatists have said this themselves. So too has the Russian opposition (an anti-war protest is scheduled for later this month in Moscow), whose existence badly needs to be emphasized as it gives the lie to those who believe that Putin and diplomats such as Lavrov and Churkin are speaking for all Russians. They are not. I for example recommend reading sources such as 'The Interpreter', an online journal of the Institute of Modern Russia http://imrussia.org/ which is an invaluable source of information linked to the Russian opposition which the Kremlin is doing its utmost to silence. If you follow some of the links on the pages below, you will get a very different picture of events, based on sources inside Russia such as the St Petersburg Soldiers' Mothers group and Rain Independent TV, from the one that the Russian government is trying to put out through propaganda outlets such as RT Today
http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-demonstrators-against-war-in-ukraine-arrested/
http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week/#4037
Another commentator worth reading is Moscow-based Leonid Ragozin, who corroborates the information conveyed by The Interpreter regarding the intimation of Pskov-based politician/journalist Lev Shlosberg for his investigative work into the presence of soldiers from the 76th Pskov airborne division in the Ukraine:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ueless-because-truth-horrible-moscow-ilovaysk

 

Agreed wholeheartedly! Trust George Soros and western bankers? I'll take my chances with Putin/Russia. Here is the real story:

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The Paradigm Shift has reached a higher gear. The danger and risk levels have gone to critical levels. The risk of economic destruction has gone into recognizable critical levels.
The Emperor’s court is showing critical internal defections. The biggest ray of light comes from Germany, which shows important signs of refusal to permit its economic destruction in order to suit the elite plans of a grander fascist state. The Germans have suffered hyper inflation before, and will not again. The Germans have suffered a national calamity from an integrated fascist state, and will not again. It is becoming excruciatingly clear that the Global Axis of Fascism is the US, UK, and its leash holder in the SouthEast Mediterranean. The entire global system has reached the critical phase. The breakdown phase is accelerating. The Russian sanctions have an obvious whiplash of severe impact to the US and Europe. The whiplash impact to the US is to expose the USDollar as a corrupted cancerous currency, for which coerced war and economic suicide are the high cost of continued support.The USGovt is left with no more options than war, since the financial front has been lost to insolvency, market interference, bond fraud, and leveraged corruption.
A climax is fast approaching. The USDollar is stuck in the implosion stage. The USDollar will be rejected, the climax a Weimar implosion of the currency.
The King Dollar has been wrecked, knocked off its throne, never to return to prestige.

 

2. To concentrate uniquely on the individual figure of Vladimir Putin, whom I view largely as a skilful opportunist rather than as a crazed ideologue or evil incarnate, is to miss the larger picture concerning the Russian state/military apparatus. This is where things are genuinely alarming, regardless of who is president is president of Russia. Former Eastern Bloc governments (Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania) are sounding the alarm in a very loud way because they will be first in line as they have been before...

Already in 2009, Russia and Belarus conducted a set of military exercises entitled Zapad ('West') in which they simulated a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Warsaw. This is attested in multiple sources, including an official British parliamentary record:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmdfence/358/35805.htm
Thus, when the Russian Duma's resident maverick Vladimir Zhirinovsky recently called for exactly such strikes against Poland and the Baltic states ("dwarf nations" on Russian TV), he was not merely indulging in some drunken fantasy, but making reference to a concept that already exists within Russian military thinking. This has also been alluded to by former Putin adviser Andrei Illarionov. Furthermore, there are generals currently arguing that the right to make pre-emptive nuclear attacks should be an official part of updated Russian military doctrine, as this article from the Moscow Times explains:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busin...lear-strike-doctrine-against-nato/506370.html

We called our family in Warsaw a couple of days ago and were told that they feel like they're sitting on a 'powder keg'.

 

3. It strikes me as odd, to say the least, that folks on a forum such as this should appear to be taking the Kremlin's side rather than demonstrating solidarity with the official representatives of the Catholic Magisterium in the Ukraine, Papal Nuncio Archbishop Thomas Gullickson
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/nuncio-we-owe-ukraine-peace/
and Ukrainian Primate Sviatoslav Shevchuk, whose recent open letter to the Catholic Episcopal Conferences I append below:
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/an-open-letter-from-ukraines-catholic-primate/#ixzz3CTtj0qCr
An Open Letter From Ukraine’s Catholic Primate (5081)
His Beatitude Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, writes ‘on the very difficult situation in Ukraine.’
by ARCHBISHOP SVIATOSLAV SHEVCHUK 09/01/2014 Comments (8)

– Wikimedia Commons

Editor’s Note: The letter has been edited for style.

To the Catholic Episcopal Conferences,


То the World’s Religious and Political Leaders,


To All People of Goodwill:

For nine months, Ukrainians have been on an arduous pilgrimage from post-Soviet fear to freedom and God-given dignity. Traumatized by the 20th-century world wars, brown and red totalitarianism and genocide, they seek a just society and a democratic European future.

With patience, endurance and great human sacrifice, they overcame in February the brutal regime of Victor Yanukovych. This moral triumph was answered in March by Russia’s territorial annexation of Crimea. Now, for months, the country endures foreign supported destabilization, separatism and terrorist activity in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions; in one word: war. Tragically, as became manifest in the criminal shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight 17, the Ukrainian trial affects the global community.

All of the churches and religious organizations of Ukraine stood together against the violence of the Yanukovych regime, the annexation of Crimea and the division of the country. On the Maidan Square for months, every day and hourly in the night, in common prayer, they insisted on respect of civil rights, non-violence, unity of the country and dialogue. This civic, ecumenical and interreligious harmony and cooperation has been an important source of moral inspiration and social cohesion in Ukraine.

In the annexed Crimea and in the eastern war zone, some of the churches and religious communities have been targeted for discrimination, enduring outright violence. In Crimea, the most exposed have been the Muslim Tatars. The Tatar community as a whole is in daily danger. Some of its leadership has been exiled, barred from their homeland. The existence of the Greek and Roman Catholics ministries, Orthodox parishes of the Kiev Patriarchate and the Jewish community in Crimea has been variously menaced.

In April, violence was instigated in Eastern Ukraine. According to the Ukrainian authorities, some 1,000 people, including international journalists and peace monitors, were kidnapped or detained; dozens were tortured or killed. The anti-terrorist operation, launched by the Ukrainian government, faces a foreign aggression that co-opts local rebels and local and international criminal delinquents. As a result, today there are over 1,000 civilian casualties in the densely populated cities, with the numbers rising by 50 deaths or more daily, not to mention the 298 victims of Flight MH17. The infrastructure of the cities, including roads and bridges, electric substations, coal mines and industrial installations are being destroyed to cripple the economy and future reconstruction that will become the responsibility of the Ukrainian state. Hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to flee the warfare that has been brought into the heart of the cities by the so-called separatists.

Amidst the horrors of war, the tiny Ukrainian Greek and Roman Catholic minorities experience oppression on the territories controlled by the “separatists.” Three Catholic priests were kidnapped: Pawel Witek and Wiktor Wąsowicz (Roman Catholic) and Tykhon Kulbaka (Greek Catholic). The later was kept in captivity for 10 days and deprived of medicine he needed. The episcopal residence of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic bishop in Donetsk was robbed and sealed, depriving him of his chancery and all documentation. The cathedral yard was hit by “separatist” rocket fire, damaging the building and windows with shrapnel. The bishop and almost all Ukrainian Greek Catholic priests were forced to leave the environs of Donetsk. Armed representatives of the separatist regime entered the church and desecrated the sanctuary. They “allowed” priests to stay and conduct services but put them on travel restrictions. Terrorists blackmail the clergy by threatening to harm their parishioners.

Most recently, on Saturday, Aug. 16, the small monastery of the Sister Servants of Mary Immaculate in Donetsk was seized and violated. The sisters, who generously and humbly have been serving the community and who were on a summer retreat or at summer camps for children outside of Donetsk, cannot return to their home, now being used by the “separatists.”

Protestants are targeted by the pro-Russian terrorist groups and have suffered the gravest violence: Two sons of the pastor of the evangelical church “Metamorphosis,” Alexander Pavlenko, and two deacons of that church, Victor Brodarsky and Vladimir Velichko, were taken from a church service, tortured and killed by the terrorists. Their bodies were exhumed from a mass grave in Sloviansk.

Unfortunately, the beleaguered Ukrainian Catholics, Greek and Roman, faithful of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate and Protestants in the east of Ukraine are further endangered by the rhetoric of the Orthodox leadership in Russia, which is becoming increasingly similar to the propaganda of the Russian political authorities and media.

In recent documents, issued in Moscow at the highest level of the Russian Orthodox Church, particularly in a letter to the primates of the Orthodox Churches, Greek Catholics and the Ukrainian Orthodox of the Kiev Patriarchate, disrespectfully called “uniates” and “schismatics,” are defamed. They are held responsible for the military conflict in eastern Ukraine and are accused of generating the warfare, especially the violence against the Orthodox clergy and faithful endured as a result of military operations. Russian Orthodox leaders spread libelous information about the Ukrainian Greek Catholics and other confessions, thereby putting them in danger from the separatist militants who identify themselves as warriors for the Russian Orthodoxy.

We strongly reject these claims and accusations. The Ukrainian military is not structured as a denominational entity. Therefore, chaplains of various denominations serve in the zone of the antiterrorist operation. Chaplains are not permitted to interfere in the life of the local religious communities. Accusations that chaplains of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church have committed acts of violence against members of other churches and religious groups are not true.

The tragedy that Ukraine is experiencing today, due to the military aggression, is a tragedy for all peoples, believers of all faiths and all social groups. Buildings, churches and monasteries of all religious and ethnic groups are being damaged or destroyed. Clergy of all faiths that exercise their pastoral ministry in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and Crimea have suffered, some risking their own lives. Two Orthodox priests who were killed in the region are among more than 1,000 civilians killed during the conflict, and their terrible deaths are not connected with their religious beliefs. They were accidental victims of shelling.

We pray for all the innocent victims and for peace in Ukraine. And our Church is doing everything to bring peace and alleviate the suffering of those affected by this terrible conflict.

Ukraine needs the effective support of the global Christian community and support of all people of goodwill. In a media context rife with propaganda, we ask you to evaluate information critically. We need your prayers, your discernment, your good words and effective deeds. Silence and inaction will lead to further tragedy. The fate of flight MH17 is an example of what may happen if the terrorist activity is allowed to continue.

Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, the major archbishop of Kiev and Halych, is primate of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.

 

What even more striking to me is how some folks on this forum can simply ignore the Blessed Mother, saints and mystics who have for 100 years spoken of the day that Russia would annihilate countries, march on Rome and the Vatican and for a period, prior to their conversion, will kill at will.

 

Peter, I'm not too sure that we are that far apart regarding Putin although I am hoping that he is rather better than a mere opportunist. I am also aware that Putin is not Russia and that there will be many in Russia who would be enthusiastic supporters of a genuine takeover of East Ukraine by Russia. Similarly, there will be those who want Russia to be a western styled democracy. But, for the present, Putin is firmly in charge and it is right to focus on his actions and plans. Putin is certainly a 'Tsar like' figure but I believe he has no interest in a takeover of East Ukraine although aiming for the area to be Russian orientated. I can well understand how the former Eastern bloc countries are very nervous about Russia and I think your Polish connections are likely to be influencing your own assessment of the present situation. I believe the big mistake regarding Putin is in an assumption that he somehow represents a resurgence of Soviet Communism in Russia. I believe that view is totally mistaken. As I have said previously, I could be quite wrong about Putin but this is how the evidence leads me at the moment.

Unfortunately, due to the war, political cultures and preferences of the Christians are inserting themselves into the thinking of the respective Greek Catholic and Russian Orthodox Churches but we shouldn't be surprised at that. It is why peace is so important and I am encouraged by Poroshenko's own seemingly genuine desire for peace. Many of those involved in the removal of the previous President were certainly not lovers of peace but Poroshenko's ceasefire seems to be working at the moment. We should all be praying that peace comes to Ukraine and try to avoid demonising one side or the other.

 

M

My views on this are not primarily the result of being influenced by Poles, although naturally I am extremely concerned for our family there as they are the ones who are in most physical danger should the diplomatic situation deteriorate. Some Polish politicians have an unfortunate tendency to indulge in provocative anti-Russian rhetoric, which is not only questionable but highly unwise; I would not for example want to associate myself with a recent statement of Lech Walesa (a great activist during the Communist era, but something of a loose cannon when he was president) that Poland should arm itself to the teeth and call out to Putin 'go on, mate, just try it'.

This kind of irresponsibility is definitely not the approach I would advocate and one of the reasons why I deliberately didn't quote Polish sources in my previous message but rather Russian opposition ones. I am all in favour of constructive dialogue with Russia, but the question is which Russia we are talking about. That was the whole point that ecumenically-minded intellectuals connected with the St Clement's Centre in Kiev such as Catholic philosopher Constantin Sigov and Ukrainian Orthodox composer Valentin Silvestrov tried to make back in March in their appeal to Russian anti-war intellectuals just before the annexation of Crimea took place. What is extremely regrettable is the worsening of promising Catholic-Orthodox relations over recent months, not least due to some unfortunate pronouncements from the Orthodox hierarchy in Moscow on the part of people from whom I expected much better (one of whom I briefly met in Rome back in November).

Russia is a great country and culture whose spiritual contribution to humanity needs to be uplifted. Sadly for all of us it is not being well served by the current administration in Moscow.