Putin, well intended or not ?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Elisa, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    To "concernedforusa": how does is it come that people say that Putin was head of the KGB ? Do you have any proof that this is not true ?
     
  2. padraig

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  3. Eamonn

    Eamonn Guest

    The Putin Murders.

    http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/


    How can anyone say this man is not EVIL.
    Would you seriously place your Soul in the care of this man?
    Anyone who thinks this is a good man needs to take the plank from their eye, there is not a politician in this world who i would trust especially one who finds it so easy to take the lives of gods children. Then he is able to stand up in public and claim he alone is preserving the faith in his country while the rest of the world morally falls apart. Again i say trust no politician especially one who takes the moral high ground has no morals about taking life. Put all your trust in god and pray he hears you then you just might have a chance of reaching you goal in life.
     
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  4. garabandal

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    Because of politicians I am a political athiest:whistle:
     
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  5. Andy3

    Andy3 Powers

    And what about the plane crash in Russia of the Polish President and some cabinet members? It wasn't Putin per se pulling the trigger but was under his watch. I guess we are to assume he did not give these orders?

     
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  6. concernedforusa

    concernedforusa New Member

    To Elisa:

    Thank you for your kind words addressed to me personally. I greatly appreciate it.

    Also, I was greatly impressed by the conclusion of your last comment:

    I absolutely agree with you. Let us wait and see what the future brings. Let us not come to hastily conclusions without sufficient evidence. But, meanwhile, let us fast and pray. Our prayers and our faith in God can change the world!


    God Bless!

    concernedforusa
     
  7. concernedforusa

    concernedforusa New Member

    To Elisa:

    You wrote:
    Putin was just an officer in the KGB, he never was a head of the KGB.

    Below is a link to the Putin’s biography in Wikipedia:

    Sometimes people say whatever they want to say without bothering themselves with facts.


    God Bless!

    concernedforusa
     
  8. Fatima

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  9. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

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    Vladimir Putin,
    in full Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (born October 7, 1952, Leningrad, Russia, U.S.S.R. [now St. Petersburg, Russia]), Russian intelligence officer and politician who served as president (1999–2008, 2012– ) of Russia and also was the country’s prime minister (1999, 2008–12).
    Putin studied law at Leningrad State University, where his tutor was perestroika period. Putin served 15 years as a foreign intelligence officer for the KGB (Committee for State Security), including six years in Dresden, East Germany. In 1990 he retired from active KGB service with the rank of lieutenant colonel and returned to Russia to become prorector of Leningrad State University with responsibility for the institution’s external relations. Soon afterward Putin became an adviser to Sobchak, the first democratically elected mayor of St. Petersburg. He quickly won Sobchak’s confidence and became known for his ability to get things done; by 1994 he had risen to the post of first deputy mayor.

    In 1996 Putin moved to Moscow, where he joined the presidential staff as deputy to Pavel Borodin, the Kremlin’s chief administrator. Putin grew close to fellow Leningrader Boris Yeltsin made Putin director of the Federal Security Service (the KGB’s domestic successor), and shortly thereafter he became secretary of the influential Security Council. Yeltsin, who was searching for an heir to assume his mantle, appointed Putin prime minister in 1999.

    Although he was virtually unknown, Putin’s public-approval ratings soared when he launched a well-organized military operation against secessionist rebels in Chechnya. Wearied by years of Yeltsin’s erratic behaviour, the Russian public appreciated Putin’s coolness and decisiveness under pressure. Putin’s support for a new electoral bloc, Unity, ensured its success in the December parliamentary elections.

    On December 31, 1999, Yeltsin unexpectedly announced his resignation and named Putin acting president. Promising to rebuild a weakened Russia, the austere and reserved Putin easily won the March 2000 elections with about 53 percent of the vote. As president, he sought to end corruption and create a strongly regulated market economy.
     
  10. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Thanks a lot "Concernedforusa" for your kindness, answers and information. I know it was a stupid question of me regarding Putin.
    I am going to sleep now :sleep: for it is after midnight here....
    Your conclusion: "Our prayers and our faith in God can change the world!" is a perfect phrase to end the day. God bless you !
     
  11. SteveD

    SteveD Guest

    Happily the Chinese have refused to support Russia in its land grab because they want the stolen lands of East Siberia back and the Russians will not, of course, give it to them - perhaps they will 'do a Putin' and just take it back. One law for Russia and another for the rest of the world. Putin may have stirred up a hornet's nest with this one reminding the Chinese of their own lost lands.
    We are told that we do not know what is in Putin's heart, but apparently the same people know what is in Obama's! By their fruits ye shall know them and there are clearly no heroes on either side of this dispute, but one side is accidentally right and it ain't Russia.
     
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  12. picadillo

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    SteveD.

    The American Indians want their land back too, and so do the Palestinians and their land that was stolen in the last 30 years.
     
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  13. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    SteveD.

    The American Indians want their land back too, and so do the Palestinians and their land was stolen in the last 30 years.
     
  14. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    SteveD said: "We are told that we do not know what is in Putin's heart, but apparently the same people know what is in Obama's! By their fruits ye shall know them and there are clearly no heroes on either side of this dispute, but one side is accidentally right and it ain't Russia."

    My question in this thread was a real honest question because everything gets so confusing in this world that we do not know anymore who we can trust. So let us not make a battle out of a question... When I said that I do not know the heart of Putin I did not mean that I believe him.... I meant that I do hear the words of Putin regarding Christianity and the "modern" ideas of Europe (same sex marriage, abortion, homosexuality, gender theory, etc). When I compare his words to the words of Obama regarding these issues, I prefer Putin.... every real christian would agree. But I may be completely wrong regarding his heart and his actions behind the scenes.... If he is lying and acting, then he would be an hypocrite of course. But if Obama was a real christian he would at least not openly defend the "modern" ideas, but he does. So on this basis we can conclude, that Obama is taking the wrong direction and Putin (for the moment ?) not.
    To Andy3 : regarding that plane crash in Russia of the Polish President: you are right: It could be Putin. But we have no real prove of that. And regarding your link: http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/ we indeed quickly forget what happened in the past to all those people, even if we do not have, again, strong prove. But, and here I may be very naive, perhaps Putin changed in meantime (like St Paul did ?). That would be a miracle. But the problem is that I like to believe in miracles.... if not, everything in this world gets so dark....
    I would appreciate if "ConcernedforUSA" could give his insights regarding that plane crash in Russia and the link regarding the "putinmurders", if he wish too.
    God bless you all. May the Immaculate Heart of Mary triumph very soon !
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDDPHh3nMMu-I&v=DPHh3nMMu-I
     
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  15. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Confusing times indeed: As you see, even The Fatima Network does not know what to think....

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    Our Lady’s E-Newsletter: March 2014
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    Russia, Fatima and the Future
    For many in the Western media, the Sochi Olympics became an occasion to revile Russia, and Vladimir Putin in particular, for passing a law that prohibited exposing children to homosexual propaganda.

    In the morally inverted mindset that prevails in the European Union, the United States and most everywhere else in the Western world, this attempt to prevent enlisting children in the crusade for social approval of homosexual acts was regarded as a moral obscenity. Russia was declared a bastion of homophobia and Putin a bigoted hatemonger.

    President Barack Obama expressed his disapproval and underscored it by naming prominent homosexuals to his Olympic delegation. (See: “Obama names openly gay athletes to Sochi Olympic delegation”.) There were even rumblings about boycotting the Olympics. The discussion may never have been serious, but it was symbolic and required, for most every Western nation has now either approved, or is on its way to approving, gay “marriage,” gay adoption of children, gay propaganda in school curricula and in the media, and these governments feel it incumbent upon them to denounce anyone who would question the morality of homosexual acts. Russia appears to be the odd man out in the polity of nations.

    Why should this be so? Does it not appear ironic that the nation that made atheism state policy and incorporated its teaching into school curricula should now be standing practically alone on the world stage to defend the innocence of children from the corruption of homosexual propaganda? And what insanity has taken hold of the former nations of Christendom that they have become the standard bearers for one of the four sins that cries out to Heaven for vengeance? The phrase “diabolical disorientation” used by Sister Lucy of Fatima appears appropriate. (See: “Sister Lucy on ‘Diabolical Disorientation’”.)

    While President Putin appears to have assumed the mantle of defender of the Orthodox faith, there are many who doubt his sincerity. Certainly, given his history, there is cause for doubt. But he is willing to suffer real consequences for his moral stand, something that no Western leader is willing to do. And when it comes to the cynical use of feigned belief in God and His laws, Western leaders are foremost among its practitioners.

    Obama may be required to profess his supposed Christianity from time to time and attend the occasional prayer breakfast, but this is all just a matter of decorum and a way of deflecting criticism for the practical atheism and even anti-Christian policies of his administration. Can anyone forget that the delegates that nominated Obama at the last Democratic Party Convention actually booed the motion to put the mention of God back into their Party Platform? (See: “Democrats Boo Vote to Restore ‘God’”.)

    So it seems that West and East are going in separate directions, with the U.S., Europe and their allies jettisoning the remnants of traditional morality, while Russia is reconstituting its society on its historic Christian values. What could this mean?

    Of course, such a dramatic reversal of Russia’s trajectory after almost a century of communism may take a while to accomplish; and change, at this stage, may be incipient and rather superficial. Time will tell. But we know this: Russia is crucial in the plan of salvation history. (See: “Following Our Lady’s Path to Her Triumph”.)

    It may be good to remember, along with the Message of Fatima, the prophecies of Blessed Elena Aiello, the stigmatist who died in 1961 and was beatified by Pope Benedict XVI on September 14, 2011. (See: “Can This Woman Tell Us What’s Really Going On With Russia?”.) Blessed Elena received messages from Our Lord on Good Fridays in the 1950s and until her death, many of which concerned a terrible war that was soon to come. Blessed Elena was told:

    “‘Russia will march upon all the nations of Europe, particularly Italy, and will raise her flag over the dome of St Peter’s. Italy will be severely tried by a great revolution, and Rome will be purified in blood for its many sins, especially those of impurity! The flock is about to be dispersed and the Pope must suffer greatly.”

    Right now, Russian troops have taken Crimea and are massed on the border of Eastern Ukraine. Putin appears to be testing the will of the West, which does not appear ready to risk war to defend the independence of territories that were once part of the Soviet Union. Russia is becoming emboldened, increasingly defiant, even threatening. (See: “Russia Can Easily Turn the US into Ashes” and “URGENT: US-NATO War With Russia Over Ukraine”.)

    NATO can turn its back on Ukraine, which is not a member state, but what will it do if Russia reclaims the Baltic nations, which are? Will the West commit itself to war with Russia over Lithuania or Latvia or Estonia? It seems unlikely. What about Moldova or Poland? Where will the line be drawn, and how will this game of chicken end? (See:“NATO Commander Warns of Putin Invasion Threat”.)

    Our Lady told us through Sister Lucy that Russia was to be Heaven’s instrument in this chapter of salvation history we are living through, and world peace can only be obtained when Russia is converted. Failing that conversion, which is dependent upon the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as specified by Our Lady of Fatima, the world will face unthinkable chastisements. (See: The Fatima Crusader, Issue #104.)

    We know that in the end, the Pope and the bishops will consecrate Russia and she will be converted. We do not know under what conditions this consecration will take place. Will the Russian flag be flying over the Vatican when it happens? Will the vision of a soon-to-be-assassinated Pope climbing a hill in a ruined city full of corpses, as depicted in the published part of the Third Secret, come to be realized first?

    As we ponder these questions, let’s us remember that our only hope is in the truth. (See: “We Must Love the Truth”.) And that truth can only be found in the words of Our Lady of Fatima, under Whose mantle we must gather as the shadow of war looms ever larger over our troubled world.
     
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  16. Peter B

    Peter B Powers

    The Ukrainian defence minister has just said - basing his remarks on intelligence reports - that the next two days may be 'the most difficult in the history of independent Ukraine', specifically warning against an operation against the country launched by unmarked armed forces, presumably in preparation for some kind of military action near the border with Russia. As for Vladimir Putin, the Russian President's latest statement is that it is necessary 'to conduct an analysis of the events in the Ukraine and the 'coloured revolutions' in other countries, in order to 'protect Russian citizens from terrorists and people with extreme views'. Interpret that as you will, but the next 48 hours are going to be highly nervous...
     
  17. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Well, it does not surprise me that Putin is saying that. I think he does not want the same scenario to happen in Ukraine as it happened in Syria, Irak, Egypte etc because it is next to his door. The slaughtering in those countries is going on there, day after day, because of fanatic groups, as you know probably. I am not defending Putin because I do not know him and I hope he will not change into another Hitler but if people wants to have peace in Ukraine (is there peace right now ?), I think something has to be done. I just hope that the NATO stays out of that conflict. We do not know if we are informed correctly about the situation in Ukraine. A person like "Concernedforusa" must know much more about what is really going on there because he has relatives in Ukraine.
     
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  18. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

  19. Peter B

    Peter B Powers

    Russian helicopters now preparing near the Ukrainian border. The troop movements/military exercises are very similar to 2008 when the Russian military went for Georgia ... and the talk of 'protecting/cordoning off' Russian citizens' resembles that of 1980/81 when the USSR was on the point of intervening in Poland just as it had done in 1956 in Hungary and 1968 in Czechoslovakia.

    This all looks VERY different to anyone who has actually lived in a former Eastern Bloc country (I lived in Poland in the 1990s) and can understand Slavic languages without the need for translation by Western European news media. There are a great many people in Central/Eastern Europe who have a real sense of déjà vu concerning current events, and the harsh, uncompromising tone of diplomats such as Lavrov and V. Churkin at the UN doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

    It is critically important to distinguish the Russian people from the state apparatus in all of this. The problem - as many Russian intellectuals have been pointing out for a long time - is the latter, not the former.
     

  20. Peter, I just posted on another thread the latest messages at locutions.org. One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to see what is happening. Obama is as impotent as any leader ever has been! The messages spell it out better than I can. I feel so much terror in my heart for my friends in the U.S. and Canada who are sitting by the skype or phone talking to their relatives in Ukraine saying HOW CAN I GET MY RELATIVES OUT OF THERE? Where is the U.S.? Why isn't anyone helping us!!??

    Obama will sit on his hands and say, "Nuthin I can do..." The enemy has literally tricked all into thinking its 'none of our business" what happens over there...

    My husband who fought for 21 years in the cold war is watching in horror. He knows military history. He literally thinks that people will be fed up enough by the time Obama's period is over with that we will get some nice Republicans in there and they will kick butt and we will all be ok....SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HOPING FOR THIS!! Its a pipe dream. We have come to far. UNTIL WE SEE THE CORRELATION BETWEEN ABORTION AND WAR we will not change. UNTIL we are willing to spend night and day stopping the ANTI-LIFE forces, then we better bar the door and hold our breath.

    Until we beg night and day for Jesus Christ to send the Holy Spirit and renew the face of the earth, and beg OUR LADY CLOTHED WITH THE SUN, COME AND DO NOT DELAY!
     
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