Exactly. I do not think that anyone who asks people to pray the Rosary has a bad intention, nor could they. In fact, I believe that it is Prayer that defines whether or not something is from God, since all Prayer goes to God. About LostSoul, it's lost at the moment, but this could change fairly rapidly.
Ahhh for me is something different. Satan quotes scripture, and he knows that God exists. Prayer works when one opens their heart and chooses to live the prayer, and uses the prayer as a compass for where one is in one's own life. EG If I pray for peace, am I peace? Is peace starting with me, or am I stealing the peace of others. Some can have active imaginations, others can be deceived. Some are true. Others are being deceptive, either because they are on an ego boost, making money or simply trying to discredit true prophets. There are many who go to Mass, pray etc, who then go home and beat up their children etc. This is why it says in Revelations that there will be many who pray but the Lord will say to them, "Go away, for I do not know you. "
OK. That's all true. Satan can quote Scripture, but he can only do so in order to back up HIS point of view and always to try to show God in a "bad" light. However, I do not think that Satan can (or ever would) say to people "knell down and say the Rosary" or "go immediately to Mass" or "fast as a penance for your sins" or anything like that - its simply beyond him. Not all visionaries are visionaries, they can indeed have nothing more than active imaginations. There is a difference in my view however from those who are simply indulging in active imaginations and those who are using alleged apparations to attempt to seriously damage people's faith in God. Nothing that MS7 has put up about this Visionary, in my opinion, shows any attempt to damage People's faith. I do not know whether this visionary is a true child of God. I honestly never heard of him before reading this thread, but if the fruit of what he is saying is that people pray more fervently, then I will give him the benefit of the doubt. People do commit serious sin, regardless of whether they get Mass or pray. We all commit serious sin. the key however is that getting Mass and prayer are more likely to lead us to change and at least try not to commit sin. I don't think there is much chance of us not commiting sin if we do not get Mass or pray.
I am just talking generally, I am not referring to this particular "prophet" with regards to visions etc. There are also those who do so to make a nice bit of money for themselves, and to put themselves on a platform. Many cry out for fame today. The church is used for many reasons. Some to give their children a good education, but spend their time running down the Church and it's teachings. Others to be in a position of trust to be near children. So why not for fame? There are particular people that I have an aversion to, they are telling people that this pope is the anti christ, and because people have been listening to them for a number of years, they are following them in this message too, and is causing huge problems within Catholic families and within the Church. Now, I am undecided whether these have done it for money, or to lead people astray and to discredit the good and true prophecies that are out there. To cause confusion does a lot of damage, take away someones conviction and you have all but got them. Also, we need to remember the false stigmatics, and the the little pebble who has been condemned by the church and was has been found guilty of child molesting. He claimed to get messages and encouraged people to pray. Religion has been used for evil purposes right throughout the ages. It is one of the biggest problems that God has got to deal with.
I have to disagree with this I'm afraid. We recently had a "visionary" here who regularly advocated praying the rosary and gave messages from heaven. This person had a huge following in a very short time and often visited Knock Shrine in order to covey the messages. As things progressed it emerged that they were also a clairvoyant and did readings for people. I still meet some good praying Catholics who believe that because the person advocated the rosary that they must be authentic even though some of the messages were totally off the wall!
To me that is a deception, and could also cause some people to think that clairvoyance must be ok because this lady "gets messages from Heaven" whilst totally disregarding what the scriptures have to say about Fortune Telling and clairvoyance etc..
Also, what about those from other faiths or other denominations who could think, ok, going to give these people messages in order to slowly get them around to my way of thinking, by which time I can tell them whatever I want and they will believe. Then the catholic church will be knocked down. I thank God for Rome and our vatican, who with God's wisdom discern and test everything. Mother Mary too shows her respect and appreciation and agreement in what they do because everyone she has appeared to thus far, she tells to go and tell their priest.
I have to reply to all the above posts together, as I am almost out of time. I was not clear in my previous posts - I was replying specifically to what MS7 has posted on ths thread. In general, I would agree with what Mary's Child are Border Collie say about false visionaries. That is why discernment is required. Having said that, regardless of the false "heart " of these visionaries, if they tell people to "get Mass, go to confession" or "pray the Rosary and fast" and people who believe them to be authentic do so, then those prayers and acts of the people are, imo, valid before God. I accept fully that the reasons for the visionaries advising them to do this are the polar opposite, but at the very lest these are examples of God using the false visionaries for his own purposes. I hope that makes sense. It also seems to me that in all cases, eventually, false visionaries trip up and then the question is whether they have damaged People's faith when they are exposed. If the answer to that is yes they have, then they must be considered diobolical. Nothing that MS7 has posted on this thread to me shows anything that could be considered "false" about this child. What Servant has posted can be explained in other ways. Its simply a question of what you want to believe I suppose. On my own part, I find it very difficult (if not impossible) to believe any visionary but, then again, | could be wrong.
Mike ,this is a public Catholic internet site. We are all brothers and sisters in the Faith . Charity must always come first second and third . I think we have to be careful about calling a sister or brother outright a ,'liar' here. being always mindful of Holy Charity. We can be very frank and straight without being wounding.
[/QUOTE] Ok, heres the scoop. 1. Bishop Lacey is the man in the first picture. He has a cane. He got out of his car, He was introduced to Bishop Danylak, they shook hands and hugged --I was standing right there, I took the picture. He has aged well. What can I tell ya...I had not met him before. He was there with his Secretary and his sister or someone. I do remember someone saying how well he aged for a man in his 90's! I just changed the second picture in which I mistakenly put that it was Bishop Lacey. Thank you for calling my attention to it. It was a priest who was not in a collar. He had a black cap on. I had been introduced to him. 2. Bishop Danylak has never requested that the messages not be distributed. I talked with him personally. What has been said --Not by Bishop D. , but by our Lady (just found this out) is that the 'caves messages' should not be distributed far and wide.' Simply because this is private land. Its someones property! If the Angels want to make caves, then they will. Thats not for me to dispute. The Franciscans will be in charge of the land soon. Thats not my business. Some of the messages are tantamount to 'personal' messages, they just happen to be a now 9 yr. old boy. There is no 'big' secret or anything, as a matter of fact, on the 13th of July there were very few people there for the apparition--I mean a handful...that makes me sad. I know a woman named Dory Tan is also receiving messages now for quite a while at Marmora. I do not know anything about her. She seems very devout and quiet. I cannot speak for Louise or anyone else. I talk to Josephat's mom every other day. Thats all I know.
Padraig, is there another Mike on this Forum? I haven't posted on this thread but I saw my name in your post above and hope your comment is not addressed to me but someone else named Mike because I don't know anything about this thread and don't know who called someone a liar.
Oh O.K. no probs Padraig. These things happen I know. God Bless. p.s. I know of some of the people mentioned on this thread but this is completely new to me so maybe I'll reread this thread. Mike
Read #37---AGAIN. No, I am just a friend. Louise has nothing to hide. She is a beautiful soul and she doesn't have to answer you. Thats her prerogative. The 'special message' is that God loves you. Our Lord and our Lady made their presence known. PERIOD. THAT IS ALL.THAT IS WHAT I SAID IN THE #37 POST.... Now REALLY isn't that enough? Do we have to have bells and whistles? It really seems to be a kick in the butt to all of us. Even myself. I flew up for the 'event'. (Actually I was there for the Bishop), but hey, I will willingly go to Marmora for an apparition....and sincerely I had not been to an apparition in a long, long time. I truly was a pilgrim. My witness is as credible as anyones. The sun spinning has become 'ho-hum' to some people. But as I witnessed, those thousand people staring at the sun, some taking pictures, some kneeling and some crying....NOT ONE CAME AWAY WITH ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEIR EYES. That is a miracle. There was no spoken message, but there was a message of miracles*****I hope that satisfies your curiosity. I cannot explain it any clearer than that. When our Lord said that he had a 'big message' on Dec. 1st (which was I believe in Nov. ) THAT WAS IT! Who said it had to be spoken????? Code: Parts of Email 3 (June 27) ".....Regarding Josephat, at this moment, I believe there is about a 50% chance that he is a true prophet, 50% chance that his parents are guilty of manipulating him. If he is false, the blame lies entirely with the adult members of his family. (Perhaps you are his parent, it seems you were the first to push Josephat's story onto the internet). It doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not. I am not his parent. I think you are trying to blame someone for something that you are not understanding. I am certainly not the only one talking about Marmora. I would be glad to shut up about it now since it has upset you so. I simply wanted to spread a little joy of a a beautiful gifted boy. If I were his parents I would run and hide. Because its an ugly world out there. God have mercy on the children. I have answered this satisfactorily. I will not discuss this further.
That is keeping me from saying what comes to mind servant. Enough is enough. Eh? You are welcome to pick it all apart. I already gave my answer. I have nothing more to add.
I think is was Stuart Chase who said," For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." I feel it may be time for you to let this go Servant, you will lose your peace over what is really unnessary at the end of the day. God Bless BC
I feel it may be time for you to let this go Servant, you will lose your peace over what is really unnessary at the end of the day. Words of wisdom!
Reviving this old thread because I was at the Our Lady of Fatima Shrine in Youngstown, NY last week (see my post #25 above). I went up there with my children for Mass on Friday afternoon. Such a beautiful Shrine. It was quite cold and very windy, but we braved the elements to climb to the top of the Shrine's dome, where there is a towering (and quite lovely) statue of Our Lady of Fatima. I snapped this picture: View attachment 1743 Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
been to this shrine myself a few times. a beautiful refuge in that area for sure. I miss that area...but not the wind
