They say that the greatest punishment mankind could have is that the Church itself and even the Popes themselves turn Apostate. Clearly this has happened. Padre Pio fainted when he was shown this. https://thecatholicherald.com/article/less-than-7-of-german-catholics-attend-weekly-mass
If you know someone ,say it is Jane Smith of Joe Smith and are in a process of discernment about them. it seems to me that after a while judging their actions, their words, their policies you would surely come to a conclusion about their agenda. What they are going for , what their final aim is. You would not be confused by things like them saying or doing apparently good things. You would know this is simply a distraction. A kind of mist through which they travel. You would as the Americans say wise up. Sadly, I am afraid this has not been the same with so many of our Catholic sisters and brothers. Basically they have been deceived. This is not because they are stupid. For instance many of our Cardinals have multi higher level degrees. They appear to have very high IQ's indeed. But the great problem I suspect is that they simply do not pray enough. They are not open enough to the Holy Spirit. They are like blind men leading the blind. So too with many of our Catholic commentators. I am afraid the present situation is far,far,far graver than pretty well anyone is saying. ON the other hand all is not doom and gloom. We know from Catholic prophesy it will all turn out well in the end. But we are going to go through the pits before that. In fact we are already doing so. I am afraid the cowardice of our Catholic Bishops never fails to appall me. They know much that is going on is from the pits of hell but will say nothing.
You might be asking a fair question, but therefore the solution is most elusive. Perhaps to leave the chaos and avoid internet deception is necessary. But isn't to do so translate into depending on our local churches and networks and family alone? That's a big transition! After all, much of what we discuss here is derived from internet news. Lord, we want to trust in You!
I have been following Mission Of Divine Mercy and their spokesman Fr Foster. I see an excommunication order has been issued again him and his order because of controversial messages received by a sister in that order relating to Francis & Leo. I don't have to make any decisions about the MDM but he comes across as very holy and humble priest. Looking at the landscape in Rome the messages seem very credible. It must be very difficult for them to have to proclaim those messages knowing that they will get a prophets treatment which is death essentially.
Way back when the forum was founded Pope Benedict was Pope and things concerning discernment of visions and locutions and all things supernatural were very simple. When the Church spoke we listened and that was the end of the matter. However under Pope Frankie and Leo the goal posts have shifted. I don't think the present denizens of the Vatican believe in the supernatural at all and I am not convinced that many of them have any real belief in God at all. Or if they do it is in the same kind of way that the Free Masons do. As a kind of Deus ex Machina. A kind of God who is up there in the sky but does not really take any part in the affairs of men. That it is up to men to construct their own Paradise. In such a scheme of thing anything supernatural like Jesus or Mary appearing is a real embarassment. Worse than that there would be the danger that they might condemn what the Vatican is up to. But in my own prayer life I have been shown recently that the way things are at the minute will change. A good Pope is on the way who will restore things to how they should really be. Sadly this will come about through fire and blood. But come about it will. In all honestly I believe much of our Church leadership at the moment are not Catholic. In fact they are, many of them, hostile to Catholicism. Hence the massacre of the poor old Trads.
It would be a great start if they would restore the prayer to St Michael after mass. But we can, all of us, say it anyway.
The weapon of choice to silence any criticism is excommunication. No wonder the likes of Cardinal Burke say very little.
I don't think they would excommunicate a Cardinal. It would be a little bit like throwing your granny under a bus. It would look bad. They were slow even to deal with Archbishop Vigano.
For the same reason he did not push the Dubia with Papa Frankie. I hope I am wrong but I get the impression they are nearly all terrified. Or in denial.
It is very,very sad but I am afraid many, many good Catholics appear unaware of the great evil that has befallen his Church. Many have a slight idea, but few the depth of it. That Pachamama thing seems so strange. Why would they do such a thing. A four year old good Catholic child would tell them this is wrong. How come these people don't know?
We have now been told at our church that if we belong to a ministry, no matter what it is, that we must submit to a background check. This includes any prayer group you may belong to. My ministry has always been preparing food for and serving the bereaved a meal after a funeral, a “Mercy Meal”. I also am a sacristan for daily mass. My ministries have nothing to do with teaching or caring for children ( which I can understand having to have a background check for). So, if you join our parish, and sign up for a ministry, which we are all called to do in one form or another through our “time, talent and treasure”, you must submit to a background check. So to belong to our Catholic Church means submitting to a background check. I am totally torn about this because as Catholic as I am, I believe it is wrong to have to submit to a background check to be a member of our church. Am I being unreasonable in my belief about this? I am truly torn.
