Popes meet with all kinds, always have. This isnt shocking when a pope meets with someone, anyone. This does not mean he endorses what that person stands for. And I doubt we can trust james martins interpretation of Leo's views. I could easily see Leo saying something like, let's continue to show great compassion for the lgbt, but let's also make sure we are clear on the churches teaching. In james martins mind, he thinks he already does that because he occasionally says stuff like, we aren't trying to change church teaching. He lies to everyone including himself. So take anything he says with a grain of salt
Then if he did not it will be the easiest thing in the World for him to condemn it. Wait and see if he does so. My advice? Don't hold your breath. By the way the Bishop who said the Mass and is secretary of the Italian Bishops Conference said Papa Leo did give his blessing. Was he lying? One again all Leo has to do is contradict him.## He won't of course. Wait and see.
If I went into a meeting with someone and after the meeting was over that person publically lied about we said giving huge scandal I would rush to contradict him. I would move at warp speed to do so. If I were a Pope I would indeed have a grave moral duty to do so. Not a word from Papa Leo. Not a breath. Father James Martin is many things, but he is not a fool. If he had lied he knew there would be grave consequences. But he wasn't lying. You are in a state of the most profound self delusion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/06/world/europe/lgbtq-catholics-jubilee-pope-leo.html L.G.B.T.Q. Catholics Have Jubilee With Pope’s Blessing, if Not His Presence Leo XIV did not meet with pilgrims, but he has indicated that he is supportive of an open, welcoming church. Listen to this article · 4:58 min Learn more L.G.B.T.Q. Catholics passed through the Holy Door of St. Peter’s Basilica on Saturday as part of the Roman Catholic Church’s Year of Jubilee.Credit...Guglielmo Mangiapane/Reuters By Elisabetta Povoledo Reporting from Rome and Vatican City Sept. 6, 2025 Hundreds of L.G.B.T.Q. Catholics processed through the Holy Door in St. Peter’s Basilica on Saturday to officially participate in the church’s quarter-centennial festival of renewal and forgiveness, a marked sign of acceptance in a church in which many felt shunned or excluded until recently. “It was a very special moment” for such Catholics to feel embraced, said Tyrone Grima, of Malta, who attended the event. For too long, they had “to hide, living in shame and guilt,” said Nathalie de Williencourt, whose son is gay. Participating in the festival, known as a Jubilee pilgrimage, signaled greater public visibility and welcome, she said. Francis DeBernardo, who runs New Ways Ministry, a Maryland-based group that promotes inclusion in the church, contrasted this Jubilee pilgrimage with the last one he took in 2000, when the Roman Catholic Church had spent months lobbying unsuccessfully to cancel the first WorldPride, which had been organized to take place in Rome that summer. Speaking from a balcony overlooking St. Peter’s Square on the Sunday after the pride parade, Pope John Paul II had expressed “bitterness,” saying WorldPride was an affront to the church and the “Christian values” of the Italian capital. “And here we are, 25 years later, and L.G.B.T.Q. people are going to go through the Holy Door as a group,” Mr. De Bernardo said. Organizers said some 1,400 people from 22 countries participated. Image Pilgrims marching near the Vatican during the L.G.B.T.Q. Jubilee on Saturday.Credit...Filippo Monteforte/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Pope Leo XIV did not individually welcome the contingent at a Jubilee audience on Saturday morning, as he did with some other groups in attendance. But speaking at the Mass for those pilgrims at a Jesuit church on Saturday, Bishop Francesco Savino — one of the top clerics in the Italian Bishops Conference — said that Leo, “with great tenderness, and great sweetness,” had given him his blessing to celebrate the Jubilee organized by these organizations. In his homily, he noted that in the Bible, a Jubilee “was the time to free the oppressed and restore dignity to those who had been denied it.” Bishop Savino paused briefly to add: “Brothers and sisters, I say this with emotion. It is time to restore dignity to everyone, especially those who have been denied it.” His words were greeted with a standing ovation that lasted over a minute. Bernardo Massarini, a priest from Amiens, France, who has worked with L.G.B.T.Q. Catholics for 20 years, said he had cried during the homily. One of the first things he did upon arriving in Rome this week, he said, was to visit Pope Francis’ tomb “to say, ‘Thank you,’” adding, “If we’re here, it’s because of his ministry.” The Catholic Church’s teaching still maintains that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.” But during his papacy, Francis changed the church’s tone — if not always its doctrine — on issues of gender and sexuality. From his 2013 quip, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about priests who might be gay, to his support for those who ministered to such Catholics, Francis was praised by supporters for his openness to the queer community. His positions were not always straightforward. Francis rejected same-sex marriage yet called on priests to be welcoming to people in nontraditional relationships. He believed gay couples deserved civil protections but approved a Vatican decision to bar priests from blessing them — a decision he later said he regretted, and then reversed. Leo has little public record on these issues. In a 2012 speech, he criticized the positive portrayal of the “homosexual lifestyle” in Western media, which he said fostered “sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the Gospel.” But in a 2023 interview with Catholic News Service when he became a cardinal, Leo acknowledged that things had changed since 2012, and that the church had “to open and to be welcoming.” He said Francis had “made it very clear that he doesn’t want people to be excluded simply on the basis of choices that they make, whether it be lifestyle, work, way to dress or whatever.” well-known proponent of outreach to these Catholics. In an interview, he said the pontiff had “encouraged me in my ministry.” Mr. DeBernardo was more cautious. “I think we still have to wait to see how Leo’s going to follow those footsteps, ” he said. The pilgrimage was listed in the Vatican’s official calender of the many events taking place during the 2025 Holy Year. Alessandro Previti, one of the organizers of the pilgrimage, said the Vatican had put the group on the calendar following years of dialogue between Jonathan’s Tent, an Italian advocacy group, and “key members of the Vatican and pastoral workers.” “We are welcome first and foremost as Christians who are L.G.B.T.Q., so we are at home,” he said, adding, “It’s about time.” Elisabetta Povoledo is a Times reporter based in Rome, covering Italy, the Vatican and the culture of the region. She has been a journalist for 35 years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/10/world/pope-declares-his-bitterness-over-gay-event.html Pope Declares His 'Bitterness' Over Gay Event Pope John Paul II expressed ''bitterness'' today about a gay pride festival held in Rome during this Roman Catholic Holy Year, saying that the event, which ends today, was an affront to the church and the ''Christian values'' of the Italian capital. ''In the name of the church of Rome, I cannot not express bitterness for the affront to the Grand Jubilee of the year 2000 and for the offense to the Christian values of a city that is so dear to the hearts of Catholics across the world,'' the pope said in a Sunday message delivered from a balcony over St. Peter's Square. For months, church officials lobbied to cancel the festival, but today was the first time the pope personally addressed the issue. That he did so even after the most contested part of the program, Saturday's gay pride parade, was over was a sign of how strongly he feels about an issue that still divides many Catholics.
Today they are wearing shirts in the Vatican, tomorrow they will be walking shirtless. That is how LGBT marches evolve.
Give an inch, they take a mile. Not the smallest hint from anyone about grave sin and the need for conversion.
This gathering of the alphabet community reminds me of the Parable of the Wedding Feast. Many will be invited, including the LGBTQ+, but it doesn't end with eternal feasting and merrymaking. If they do not accept the teachings of Christ and be transformed, their garments will remain unchanged, and invited guest or not, they will be ultimately ejected.
These types of masses have been happening in parishes and dioceses for a long time. I am now convinced that all of this is linked to the Liturgical reforms of Vatican II. The Novus Ordo mass is so malleable that it is open to these type of abuses. I could never imagine an alphabet Traditional Latin Mass.
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/leos-sacrilege-at-st-peters Leo’s Sacrilege at St. Peter’s While Tradition is Sidelined, Sodomy is Celebrated Chris Jackson No More Benefit of the Doubt The mask has slipped. For years, Catholic conservatives pleaded for “prudence,” urging us to give the papal revolutionaries the benefit of the doubt. Now there is no doubt left. This September, Leo XIV gave his blessing not to the 8,000-strong Latin Mass pilgrims who packed Rome with prayer, but to a handful of rainbow activists led by the ever-present Fr. James Martin. As the pilgrims of Tradition were shunted to the margins, the Vatican rolled out the red carpet for Sister Lucy Caram, who has defended abortion and mocked the Holy Family, and for Martin, whose “bridge-building” means lowering the drawbridge for Gomorrah. This is apostasy dressed in the language of compassion. The Porn Curator of St. Peter’s Academy If you thought the Academy for Life was corrupted under Francis, wait until you meet the new head of the Vatican’s Academy of Fine Arts: Cristiana Perrella. Her résumé is a parade of degeneracy. Exhibits celebrating nightclub culture as the beating heart of “queer identity.” Pornographic cinema posters from Italy’s red-light boom. Photographs of naked men urinating on other men, with plastic bags over their heads, described by Perrella as “poetic, elegant, and melancholic.” This is who Leo XIV has chosen to “promote and preserve Catholic tradition in the arts.” The 16th-century founders of the Academy must be rolling in their tombs, watching their institution turned into a showcase for sodomy and sadomasochism. The Dicastery for Culture and Education, steered by Cardinal José Tolentino de Mendonça, made sure Perrella’s star kept rising. Once again, the same circle of “LGBT-friendly” prelates pushes their protégés into places once meant to guard the sacred. The Abomination in the Gesù September 6th, Rome’s Church of the Gesù, the mother church of the Jesuits, where St. Ignatius of Loyola and St. Robert Bellarmine lie buried, hosted a spectacle unthinkable even a decade ago. Bishop Francesco Savino, vice president of the Italian Bishops’ Conference, presided over a Mass for an international LGBT pilgrimage. More than 1,000 people attended, waving rainbow flags and rainbow crosses. Religious sisters and brothers fanned themselves with rainbow-colored fans. The recessional ended in applause and embraces. And there, in the sanctuary above the tomb of St. Robert Bellarmine, the great defender of the papacy against Protestant heresy, a rainbow cross was lifted high as if it were the new sign of salvation. con’t
Con’t Savino’s homily preached “living truth over dead truth.” In other words, apostolic doctrine is lifeless dogma, while sodomy celebrated in public liturgies is “living truth.” He dared to pit “Peter and the Apostolic College” against what the Apostolic College has always taught, as though St. Paul’s condemnations of impurity now mean the opposite. What would Ignatius say, whose Spiritual Exercises taught mortification of the senses to conquer sin? What would Bellarmine say, who bled for the defense of Catholic doctrine? Their silence in the grave thunders louder than Savino’s homily. The Holy Door Profaned The Associated Press captured the same scandal in glowing tones: “Over 1,000 LGBTQ+ Catholics and their families participated in a Holy Year pilgrimage to Rome, celebrating a new level of acceptance in the Catholic Church after long feeling shunned, and crediting Pope Francis with the change.” Pilgrims marched through the Holy Door of St. Peter’s Basilica as if their defiance of the moral law were now sacramental. One participant, flanked by his “husband,” said the experience felt “epic, like I was able to touch the hand of God.” Another declared, “Pope Francis influenced me to return back to church. Pope Leo only strengthened my faith.” The pilgrimage was not underground or marginal. It was listed in the Vatican’s official calendar of events for the Holy Year. Trans activists, American groups like DignityUSA and Outreach, Brazilian networks, even an Italian group of trans women, all took part in a procession that climaxed in rainbow crosses, rainbow chants, and rainbow tears of joy. Twenty-five years ago, DignityUSA was detained in Rome as a threat to the Holy Year. Today, they are celebrated as honored pilgrims, openly thanked for their “gifts to the church.” What changed? Not doctrine, which still calls these acts intrinsically disordered. What changed was the will to enforce doctrine. What changed was Rome. St. Peter’s Profaned As part of the same LGBT pilgrimage, rainbow activists paraded into St. Peter’s Basilica itself. Some wore shirts declaring “F*ck the rules.” Others brandished rainbow accessories, making a mockery of the Holy Door and the basilica consecrated by the blood of martyrs. The very space where Peter was crucified upside down for refusing to deny Christ is now used to flaunt sins that cry out to Heaven for vengeance. And still Rome smiles. Still Rome applauds. The Pattern and the Signs The pattern is clear. Traditional Catholics are marginalized, their Masses restricted, their pilgrimages sidelined. Meanwhile, the revolutionaries are not only tolerated but enthroned in the very heart of the Church. And yet, God has not abandoned His flock. Bishop Earl Fernandes of Columbus has spoken firmly for tradition. And in Naples, the blood of St. Januarius flowed once more. The saints remain faithful. The martyrs still intercede. Miracles still erupt from the veins of Heaven’s defenders. Rome may have chosen rainbows over redemption, but Heaven still answers with blood. Sent from my iPhone
It's becoming such a 'welcoming' Church, it seems only a matter of time before Lucifer himself gets an invitation. It was mentioned in a previous post that someone was wearing a 'f@#k the rules' t-shirt. That is basically someone proclaiming Lucifer's motto, within the Vatican herself. It would have been less impolite to wear a 'do as you will' t-shirt.
Wake up folks. The hour is late. Denial won’t be a defense when we come before Our Lord. Would a real pope lend his blessings to such sacrilege?
Numbers 12:11 NASB Then Aaron said to Moses, “Oh, my lord, I beg you, do not hold us responsible for this sin by which we have turned out to be foolish, and by which we have sinned.
Yeah indeed like the worship of the ark of the covenant & the worship of Baal together at Mount Sinai as Carlo Acutis was a special vessel used to inherit the worship of Eucharist in his little years whereas these alphabetic gays degrade their vessels with all evil abominations abhorrent to God in bringing up his wrath at the Vatican doors.
(Note number two includes non procreative sexual acts. We forget that contraceptive sex comes under number two. Over 90% of Catholic couples contracept. A large percentage of the Church’s pastors and bishops are active in the gay lifestyle. So much of the Church has lost the moral standing to condemn homosexual behavior.)
Martin Luther called contraception “marital sodomy”: “Onan must have been a malicious and incorrigible scoundrel. This is a most disgraceful sin. It is far more atrocious than incest and adultery. We call it unchastity, yes, a Sodomitic sin.”
