Did you know the Novus Ordo uses a phrase that Scripture associates with idolatry?

Perhaps it is used to show the opposite of the Old Testament readings.

 

It could be, I honestly don't know. This is something that would be great to do a deep dive on and find out. I am certain that there is a Catholic podcaster out there finding people to interview who are expert on this.

 

Useless idols, like the golden calf, are works of human hands, for they do not arise from a conventional existential reality analogous to that of a human being—with childhood, adolescence, adulthood, and old age—or to a plant, with phases of sowing, germination, growth, and frutification. They are purely the products of human hands, not creations of God, who made everything good.

The wheat that is separated from the chaff is a gift from God, but the wheat harvested from the field is the fruit of the labor of the worker, who is blessed by God. It becomes Eucharistic bread, which, through the consecrated human hands of the priest, becomes the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, while the assembly of the laity offers a sacrifice of praise and contrition, of which Christ is the mediator, priest, and victim.

 

Yes!!!

 

That’s why I said “perhaps.”

 

If you are curious, you should read the Offertory prayers of the TLM and then read the Offertory prayers of the Novus Ordo. Ask yourself, why did they change prayers that had been considered holy and without error for so many years. What was the pressing need to change from explicitly offering "the immaculate host [which means victim]" to instead offer bread and wine, brought up to the sanctuary by a couple of immodestly dressed people usually, like they they are about to have dinner with their buddies?

Again, I know you think it's "valid." How would your spouse like it if you were asked about your marriage, and you said "it's valid." Is that really how the worship of God should be thought of? Is that how your marriage should be thought of? Your spouse is Jesus Christ. The true Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Holy Communion that follows it consummates your union with Him. It is not some matter-of-fact...everyday "valid" occurrence. To think of it in that way is a profanation and sacrilege.

Have you considered why everyone goes up for communion in the Novus Ordo, but almost no one goes to confession? Is it because people are so holy nowadays? No, it's because people don't really consider themselves to be serious sinners. Lots of other people are sinners but not them. In there minds, the Novus Ordo is not there to redeem people from sin anyway. They think "the Mass"and "Communion" are just something we all do together, like having a meal together. Why would they think that? Because the architects of the Novus Ordo planned it that way, following the advice of the Protestant advisors who attended the planning meetings.

But true, Catholic Holy Communion is first and foremost Communion with God Himself. That is, union with a God who became man and sacrifices Himself to redeem those who care to repent from the spiritual death of sin...sins like breaking the 10 commandments. When's the last time you heard a homily about the sins against the 10 commandments at the Novus Ordo? Nah, that would ruin the mood. There are some subjects that shouldn't be brought up at the dinner table, right?

 

Using the word "valid" is arguably an ugly word but if it pertains to fulfilling the law of the Church, then yes, valid is an appropriate word. I don't think anyone here would argue that the liturgy of the Novus Ordo is the best at asking for graces from God, nor for praising Him adequately, nor for showing the deepest repentance for transgressions. However, the laws of the Church are allowed to be tampered with and changed and we are called to obey.

In regards to those long communion lines, pray for those people. We were told to pray for sinners by Our Lady. Lots of people live in ignorance today of our faith either willfully or genuine and we live in a time where we have access to a wealth of information and that pertains to our Faith, as well, so maybe through our prayers people will respond to that call.

Here is a long article on the origins of the NO. I would recommend looking up some of the names, too, of bishops and cardinals so as to become familiar with who is who. I am thinking specifically of Bugnini being a central player in the whole game and he is worth looking into.

https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/how-the-novus-ordo-mass-was-made/

 

Blessed Anna Katharina Emmerich had visions about Our Lord and Our Lady. Based on these visions, the house of the Blessed Virgin was located in Ephesus and excavated. Pope Benedict XVI knelt there in prayer.
Blessed Anna Katharina also had visions about a new Mass, which is "short, and at the end, the gospel of St. John is no longer read". This is an astounding description of the Novus Ordo, given in the 1800s, long before the Novus Ordo was introduced. According to Emmerich, Our Lord told her that the new Mass "contains words that are odious in my sight".
According to the Ottaviani-intervention by Cardinal Ottaviani, the Novus Ordo is a danger to the faith. This is also the view of the SSPX.
We can see evidence for that in real life. For example, in our town, a holy order of nuns that had gone Novus Ordo decades ago has recently died out. The building now serves as a pilot academy.
I was baptised in 2010, in a Novus Ordo-Mass. Ditto my wife, in 2016. We got married in a Novus Ordo-Mass, too.
We had our baptisms/confirmations conditionally renewed in the old rite, just to be safe. We now almost exclusively attend the Traditional Latin Mass.

 

The consecration of the Novus Ordo is valid. Numerous eucharistic miracles prove that. In fact, these miracles are much more common in the Novus Ordo than in the Traditional Latin Mass.
It almost seems like Our Lord is bleeding in pain in the Novus Ordo. For example, in Buenos Aires, I think, the host got left behind on a candle stick and then became a eucharistic miracle.

 

I love the Trad Mass and Liturgy and am so sorry I cannot get to it were I live now. A big, big, big miss.

However I would be very,very careful about some of the extreme Trad narratives out there. Some of them are pure poison.

 

https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/how-the-novus-ordo-mass-was-made/[/QUOTE]

I would love to go to a Latin Mass but it is impossible at the moment....I am blessed to be part of an incredible Parish and I'm thankful for that.
Yes Padraig, it's a thin line where people tread to mock the Novus Ordo with those remarks and in doing that, they also mock other Catholics.

 

Excellent!

 

The quote about a Mass that contained words odious to Jesus is not from Bl. Emmerich but rather from Marie-Julie Jahenney.

 

Yes, you are right. On review, I stand corrected.
http://latinmasscalifornia.blogspot.com/2011/01/prophecy-of-marie-julie-jahenny-about.html
But this means we have two Blessed prophets who already in the 1800s have warned about the Novus Ordo, Anna-Katharina Emmerich and Marie-Julie Jahenny.
Blessed Emmerich said, from memory, the New Mass is "from below" and short, and at the end "the Gospel of St. John is no longer read". Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
God bless!

 

Seems like the veil is coming off, just like with everything else.

 

I am inclined to believe that these prophesies relate , not to the present Novus Ordo, but to a false Mass that is yet to come. The one mentioned in Scripture, the abomination of abominations in the Holy Place.

Matthew 24:15

The Abomination of Desolation
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.…

 

Sounds like a traditional rabbit hole to me and poisonous. There is a problem with leftwing radical priests putting innovation into the NO Mass but a NO Mass said by a holy priest is definitely valid and life giving.

 

Agree!

 

I agree with you. We are not there yet.

 

Agree.