BREAKING: Pope Francis reportedly set to ask Bishop Strickland to resign!

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  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The great problem here is that as St John said the children of the dark do their deeds in the dark. So who knows really what all went on?

    However I am morally convinced that Papa Frabki is a heretic. Sine a heretic cannot be Pope, Frankie ain't Pope

    I doubt very much on this count that he ever was Pope
     
  2. Her point is more that Benedict‘s resignation was invalid because Benedict thought that he could retain a part of the office.

    That isn’t possible because the office isn’t divisible.

    If he wanted to retain any portion of the papacy he would have retained all of it.
     
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  3. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    https://nonvenipacem.org/2023/11/11...from-a-friend-i-hope-he-reads-it-again-today/

    Full text of Bishop Strickland’s “letter from a friend”… I hope he reads it again today
    Mark DochertyJune 5, 2016
    The following text was read out by Bishop Strickland two weeks ago at the beginning of his speech at the Rome Life Forum. He called it a “letter from a deeply Catholic friend” and prefaced it by saying it applied not only to him, but to all the Bishops. I hope he reads it again today, and I hope all the Bishops and Cardinals of the world do so as well. I hope they look in the mirror and ask themselves, why are you intent on keeping this usurper squatting on the chair, wielding power he does not possess? What are your motivations for doing nothing to fix this problem? A heretic is attempting to destroy the Church from within. How many prophecies have foretold this moment? Why were you born into this age? The Supreme Law of the Church is the Salvation of Souls, which gives you EXTREME latitude in your course of action. You’re called to be martyrs, as the letter makes plain; is it too much to ask for a statement like: “Significant irregularities have surfaced regarding the purported resignation of Pope Benedict in February 2013. Evidence has been presented in various media reports, essays, and long-form books that seems to show, both in the act itself and in numerous actions following, up until his death in December 2022, Benedict’s resignation may have been invalid. We the undersigned declare that a canonical investigation need be convoked to further adjudicate this matter.”

    Here is Bishop Strickland’s friend. Link to full speech at the end. [Emphasis in bold added.]

    “Francis is an expert at producing cowards by preaching dialogue and openness in a welcoming spirit and by highlighting always his own authority. He makes it seem that one who opposes him and what he proposes is an enemy of the Church. And yet it is not the blood of the cowards that is the seed of the Church. It is the blood of the martyrs. And Rome has been literally consecrated by the blood of Christians. As Tertullian wrote, ‘we multiply when you reap us. The blood of Christians is seed.’

    “You cannot, indeed, you must not go to Rome and play nicely. The Queen of Martyrs has called you, and you cannot parcel out truth in pieces. After all, were we not told that the truth would set us free. The Synod has gathered cowards in Rome, those who not only refuse to die for our Lord and His Church, but indeed demand that His eternal truths be changed. And if you play nicely with these, then you mock the martyrs. And although playing nicely might ensure you are not removed, I again quote Tertullian.

    “The usual complaint is, I have no other way of earning a living. The harsh reply can be, do you have to live? I ask you, Bishop, do you have to live? In fact, should you live, when you have been called to die? It is easy to assert that no real damage has been done by the Synod. But it has done untold damage and attempting to cheapen what Christ proclaimed was worth His life, and for which He indeed shed His precious Blood. Would you now allow this one who has pushed aside the true Pope and has attempted to sit on a chair that is not his define what the Church is to be. ‘As for the beast, it was and is not. It is an eighth but it belongs to the seventh, and it goes to destruction.’

    “Christ has proclaimed the sanctity of life. It cannot be otherwise than sanctified, because He has created it, and He has died for it. And yet this usurper of Peter’s chair has counted life as nought, for he has endangered souls by proclaiming that they are justified before God as they are, with no need of repentance. And he has welcomed those who glorify abortion and has offered to correct no correction, thereby counting the lives of all those babies who have perished in this manner as nothing. Ignatius of Antioch wrote, “It is outrageous to utter the name of Jesus Christ and live in Judaism.” In other words, it is outrageous to utter the name of Jesus Christ and then to live as though He had not come, Ignatius also wrote, ‘I have many deep thoughts in God. But I take my own measure, lest I perish by boasting. For I myself, though I am in chains and can comprehend heavenly things, the ranks of the angels and the hierarchies of principalities, things visible and invisible, for all this, I am not yet a disciple.’ And what then, Bishop, shall make you a disciple? Be advised of this one thing: playing nicely with those who attack truth makes no man a disciple.

    “Yes, the Church welcomes sinners, but she welcomes them to the truth, which is Jesus Christ. And if they are not living in truth, then she calls them to repentance. How can we declare that we love when we would allow souls to perish by assuring them that conversion is needed? Play nicely? While the devil leads souls to hell? Play nicely? While Francis proclaims the devil’s voice to be the voice of the Holy Spirit? The streets of Rome are now littered with cowards. Where is the one who will say with Ignatius of Antioch, ‘Now I begin to be a disciple. Let fire and Cross, flocks of beasts, broken bones, dismemberment, come upon me. So long as I attain to Jesus Christ.’”

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b...crisis-must-remember-they-were-born-for-this/
     
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  4. djmoforegon

    djmoforegon Powers

    This person showed great courage and presented the challenge of a lifetime for ALL bishops! Please God let this produce the sparks to set the other bishops on fire.
     
  5. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    Bishop Strickland is a prophet.
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  6. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    So the letter was not recent, and he has read it publicly before.
     
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Wonderful. Bishop Strickland coverall the bases. Being nice and cowardice is killing us
     
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  8. BrianK

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  9. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    That's unclear, Heidi. The link Brian posted was dated today, Nov. 11, 2023.
     
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  10. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    My sister told me that the bishop replacing Strickland will be the bishop of Austin, TX. That gives me hope, because he allows the Latin Mass in his cathedral on Sundays.
     
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  11. miker

    miker Powers

    My initial reaction was :mad: But upon prayer and reflection I see thus a sign and validation that Bishop Strickland is spot on and doing the work of The Lord. When we are persecuted, rebuffed, thrown out and find “no room at the inn”, we should rejoice and know God is with us. Remember God makes straight with crooked lines.

    And as Jesus did, prayer for the enemy. Peace
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    TaYlor Marshall spoke with the bishop yoday and asked him how he was doing. He said "I am praying" Apparently he has great peace in the midst of this. God bless him!
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    My guess would be that in the high ninety per cent of the human race has has had no direct dealings with folks who are pure evil and totally ruthless.

    Thatt's why in dealing with people like Papa Frankie they don't know how to deal with him. Hence the confusion.

    we are dealing with pure unadulterated evil here.

    People don't know how to process something like that because they have zero experience of it.
     
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  14. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    I asked Fr. Z in the comments about the quote from the letter, and he said he was there in the room for that speech, and that the letter was read as an example of someone who is very upset over what is happening in the Church. So those who are reporting that Bishop Strickland said those things are taking it out of context.
     
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  15. Lumena

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    yes you are correct, Heidi. (maybe it was his way of signalling what he himself believes to be true?)
     
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  16. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    I know that some are disturbed by this decision, as well as some other decisions of the Pope and the Vatican...However, I would like to tell you one thing. Do not sin against the pope (calling him evil, associating him with evil, etc.) because that is an insult to Christ. Obedience is perhaps the most difficult of all things that God expects from us, neither passions, nor money, nor power are as difficult to overcome as obedience. Remember that Christ was obedient to death on the cross, that as God he was obedient to people, to his earthly father Joseph and mother Mary. God constantly "humbles himself" for people, and we are arrogant because we know everything now and immediately. Pray for the Pope and for the Church because that is what is most needed....

    I want to convey to you a text from our priest from 2018, read it and think, don't rush in your own truth because maybe God is asking us not to be right, but to trust Him...


    Of all the virtues, the devil attacks obedience the most. Not only did Lucifer, Adam and Eve fall on it, but also Protestantism, Orthodoxy, and all the schisms in the history of the Church. We must note that all of them did not mean a fall from pure rebellion and wickedness, but were torn between fidelity to an ideal of justice and truth, and fidelity to the mother Church. It is incomprehensible that in these doubts God asks us to choose the latter. But he's looking. And that has its own invisible but incomprehensibly deep mystical meaning. In this seduction, not only sects were born, but also revolutions, both the French one and the Communist one, that of Liberation Theology, and equally the Lefebvre rebellion and all those similar to it. Even beautiful monastic and priestly vocations fall to obedience in the face of unreasonable leaders and bishops, but they are always and always wrong. The idealism of believers who are not ready to be faithful to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church until death (and that is really the most difficult thing because it asks you to submit to a sinful man who sometimes seems even crazier and worse and less ecclesiastical than you), and today, it is strongly tried through Pope Francis .

    No matter what happens and no matter how he governs, and no matter what anyone privately thinks about his decisions, if he allows himself to lack respect or willingness to listen to him, even defend and truly love him as his God-sent leader, and stop paying attention to his ulged so that he would not accidentally violate it publicly - the devil has already isolated him and is ready to drag his soul along the endless waves of questions of faith. Obedience requires dying to self and pride to the point of death, to self-annihilation. It is similar to the binding and betrayal of Christ and his crucifixion to death. But, just as similar to his glorification, he also glorifies us in an incomprehensible way. This is what promotes sober and sane "logicians." This requires faith beyond all logic, except for the logic of love that captivates itself to death.
    Belonging to the Church does not have its foundation in visible logic and effect, but in love-motivated determination to be faithful to the point of complete renunciation even of one's own will. "But not mine, but Your will..." or, as St. Ignatius begged: "Take, sir, and receive all my freedom, memory, reason and will..." How incomprehensible and foreign to one Luther! It's hard! Really too demanding. There is nothing more difficult! Yes, the devil couldn't do that.

    All those who agree to build their relationship with the Pope and the Church on the basis of their logical insights are paper boats in devilish unbelief. Human logic, which has been traded in front of obedient belief, is a game for the evil one, even when it comes to the greatest theologians in the history of the Church.

    All such fell and sank, disappeared. And the rest were small and ignorant, and turned out to be wiser than the learned and wise. Everyone will fall on Pope Francis, and the test that God is putting through him today. Charismatism, traditionalism, theology, liberalism... Who knows, maybe this is exactly what the Church needs? I do not know. We just need to know: Pope Francis (that's how he should be addressed, not Bergoljo, or whatever), is God's chosen one, and for him God says today: "listen to him!" Listen to him, don't be crazy!
     
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  17. God's chosen one, and for him God says today: "listen to him!" Listen to him, don't be crazy! Sorry orangina, you lost me there. If your priest wrote that in 2018, things are a million times worse since then.
     
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  18. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    In our country, I guess 95% of priests and bishops are traditionally oriented, but they all repeat their loyalty to the Church and Pope Francis. That's the only way, I know that things are far worse now than in 2018, not only in the religious-moral sense, politically, but on every other level.

    But don't forget that the first pope was St. Peter, the person who betrayed Jesus 3 times.
    Do you think that one of the other apostles, for example John, could not think that I followed him to the cross and then the pope is someone who betrayed the Lord?!
    The Church is not perfect because of the Pope, because of priests, or because of brilliant theologians, but it is perfect because of Christ, who is the Church. The first pope denied Christ, and Jesus placed him at the head of his "masterpiece" and gave him the keys to heaven.
    We do not understand all things at the moment, but as long as the Pope and the Vatican follow the dogmas it is the same Catholic Church that Christ left us. Times are hard, but don't fall into sin...Pope Francis carries a great burden, but he also has a great responsibility, and he will have to pay big bills, much bigger than us. We should pray for the Pope and for the unity of the Church.

    Christ has won and risen, the Church will not perish, but loyalty to Christ is expressed in belief when everything tells us that it is over and impossible...

    By this I am not saying that we should blindly believe, that we should not criticize sin or even worse that we should follow sin as some priests in Germany do... But we should not fall into the sin of disobedience and arrogance. When things get far worse, God will show the way and "lift up" his people who will lead the faithful as he has done every time in history.
     
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  19. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    The devil has used and is currently using a grossly false sense of obedience to authority in order to silence loyal opposition to the destroyers of Christ’s Church and to build a false ape of the church.

    Bergoglio’s blatant evil heresies and actions MUST be called out!

    This is not the time for a false sense of obedience to a man diabolically intent on destroying all of Catholicism!

    For that matter, all current data IMO points to Bergoglio never having been elected a pope in the first place, in which case this opposition to the evil in which he cooperates is not only morally justified and licit, but a positive moral obligation, to oppose a usurper and antipope intent on the destruction of all we hold dear.
     
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  20. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    I repeat again, you are falling into a trap because you are trying to correct the injustice that you see and that certainly exists in an even worse way, and in fact you are creating divisions and an even bigger mess, and that is exactly what evil wants.

    Every time someone from the laity calls out Pope Francis in an ugly way, evil rubs its happy hands because it succeeded in its intention. Obedience to the authority of the Pope is obedience to the authority of Christ, there is no other (false or real), it is the only one.
    The same thing when you go to confession, let's say to a sinful priest. Christ is the one who gives absolution, the priest is only a means by which he is used and no matter what kind of sinner he is, he is the tool of absolution.

    Luther may have had good intentions, the Church was not in a good state, but he made the state far worse. He separated hundreds of millions of believers from the source of faith, caused future wars, heresies and the worst apostasy from faith that primarily occurs in Protestant countries that become atheistic...

    On the other hand, Saint Francis had a different approach. He humbled himself, became similar to Christ and performed his duty in suffering, work and love for Christ, the Church and the Pope. The fruits are thousands and thousands of vocations, a bunch of monasteries, Christian conversions and missionaries, martyrs and saints over the centuries.

    We do not have the authority to determine who deserves to be pope and who does not. We can only trust God and be loyal to the Church. Everything else is pride that leads to ruin, both for ourselves and for the Church.
    In the end, you have a guarantee that the Church will survive, you have a clear Catholic teaching that still stands regardless of those who may not implement it...
    When the Church officially announces something contrary to earlier teaching, i.e. "bless sin", then it will be a completely new story. However, God will show the way as always.
     

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