Pope Francis

Discussion in 'Prayer requests' started by padraig, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The saddest thing of all is that the vast majority of clergy and lay people are going to buy into the False Church.

    They see nothing wrong with it.

    Not a thing. Blind as bats, led by bats.
     
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  3. Sam

    Sam Powers



    And all those liberal sanctuary cities are now saying it has to stop, they can't handle it all.
     
  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It's all a huge, huge lie and lies are a house of cards. The least breeze blows them all over.
     
  5. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    I posted this observation on Facebook. Fr. Kramer commented:
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  6. So hypothetically.....
    Would any trial of a doubtful Pope nessesary preclude any Bishops/Cardinals that said doubtful Pope consecrated, since their consecration might be invalid?
     
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  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I think this might have happened before in history but I can’t give examples.
     
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  8. Either way I would not risk my immortal soul rejecting the validity of a Pope and seperating myself from the seat of Peter because of Fr. Kramer's opinion.

    I am not well schooled enough to evaluate his positions but I know Bishop Schnieder and others do not share his thinking...

    Here is a sample article from the reminant newspaper...

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/in...em/3672-exposing-the-errors-of-fr-paul-kramer
     
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  9. If it's done in good conscience it wouldn't; but nobody should do it because of one priest saying it, lol. I was raised Lutheran...been there done that
     
  10. Well every single active Catholic Bishop acknowledges that the Pope is the Pope.

    So unless someone has been given some "hidden" grace superior to that given by Christ to his apostles, I will choose to stay united to the Catholic Church which Christ himself established.
     
  11. AED

    AED Powers

    That is one of many conundrums that would follow.
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    Hmmmm. That's troubling.
     
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  13. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    If you are "not well schooled enough to evaluate his [Fr. Kramer's] positions," why did you post a link to a hit piece by his enemies Siscoe and Salza? Are you trying to insinuate something? Are you trying to injure Fr. Paul Kramer's reputation?

    Maybe you should get "well schooled" before you post such things.
     
  14. And maybe you shouldn't bully people for disagreeing with you, sheesh
     
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  15. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Ah, I see. Attacking Fr. Kramer's reputation, while admitting ignorance of the subject matter, is fine. But defending Fr. Kramer against such an unjust attack is "bullying."
     
  16. He was merely trying to justify his trepidation; it wasn't ad hominem like your post was. I also think the remnant article is ridiculous.
     
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  17. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    Oh, he was "trying to justify his trepidation?" The guy's attack was precisely an "ad hominem" attack against Fr. Kramer. Why don't you tell him not to use such uncharitable tactics?

    Here is are the links to Fr. Paul Kramer's extensively-researched books on the topic:

    https://www.amazon.com/deceive-elect-catholic-doctrine-heretical/dp/1945658134/

    https://www.amazon.com/true-false-pope-against-Bergoglio/dp/1945658266/
     
  18. Unless you're Fr. Kramer himself, this wasn't ad hominem. I appreciate your desire to defend the good priest but I think posting the need of the faithful to "get well schooled" before posting such things discourages a good natured attempt at discerning the truth (at least, in this case).
     
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  19. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    The guy did not make any attempt to understand Fr. Kramer's position. He admitted that. He simply did a quick internet search. Found a hit piece against Fr. Kramer and posted it to the forum. That is not "a good natured attempt at discerning the truth." That is defamation.
     
  20. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    When it comes to determine the validity of a pope, I believe the laity have no authority whatsoever - it’s a problem very reserved to the apostle and their successors. We can discuss all day long if a pope is the valid pope, we have no authority and decision power in the matter. It will only be the bishops guided by the Holy Spirity that will determine if a pope is to be deposed. So far that hasn’t happened I am afraid the current generation bishops, including the good bishops, are all so afraid of confronting this pope in matter of faith and morals, that they certainly will never get to that point of deposing a pope…
     

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