Synod on synodality

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by garabandal, Oct 11, 2022.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes it sums everything up in a nutshell. Although like many modern learned Theologians I am somewhat concerned that Jesus and His Blessed Mother may sometimes be a little...well..Rigid and Judgemental... in their way of looking at things. My suspicion is that they may in fact originate from the USA, possibly even Texas.:)

     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    :p
    :D:p:LOL: yes that would explain it.
     
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  3. Mario

    Mario Powers

    O my word! I've got that book on my shelf! I'll look it up; I believe it's in the first.:LOL:
     
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  4. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    Great post :)
     
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  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Too many books...not enough time!
     
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  6. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Your smigden of sarcasm was just the right touch!:D

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
     
  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Just ordered a biography of Padre Pio ('Padre Pio: The True Story', by Ruffin), in an attempt to arm myself and boost my morale in the face of the upcoming Sinod. I have it on good authority that it's the best biography, fully revealing St Pio's attitude to Vatican II, liturgical reform, homosexuality and all the other things ailing the Church at that time (apparently, he was none too impressed). Has anyone read this?
     
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  8. AED

    AED Powers

    No I haven't. But from your description I believe I will get ahold of it.
     
  9. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    I have read this and own it! Hmm, I don't remember those specific things being talked about, but it's been a while since I read it. Unfortunately most of my books are in storage right now as I still wait for my new home to be ready.
     
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  10. Thanks!! I have read books on dear Padre Pio but I will look into this one!
     
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  11. Dave Fagan

    Dave Fagan Ave Maria

    I have read it but it was many years ago now. I remember it was very comprehensive and well written. I think it's had a few revisions and updates over the years, my copy was an early edition.
    I also remember seeing an interview with Fr. Benedict Groeschel and the author
    Rev. Bernard Ruffin, which is attached.

     
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  12. Mario

    Mario Powers

    From: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory...s-spotlight-ahead-momentous-vatican-103444263

    ...Natalia Imperatori-Lee, a professor of religious studies at Manhattan College in New York, worries that the synod, which starts Oct. 4, might widen rifts among U.S. Catholics rather than narrow them.

    “The polarization of the country has infiltrated the church in such a way that I worry we can’t see our way out of it,” she said.

    “The synod is supposed to be about listening, and humility, and willingness to change, but that’s not what clergy are trained to do,” she added. “There’s this unwillingness among much of the clergy to be taught anything, and that’s going to be a real problem.

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    In other words, it's those "tradition-reaps blindness" Catholics who are the problem! :whistle::whistle:

    Natalia fails to see (or freely chooses not to) that it's the Modernists who are unteachable regarding the authentic doctrine of the once-and-for-all Catholic Faith. For example, it is homosexual acts that will forever be sinful in the eyes of God!

    Sigh!!
     
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  13. andree

    andree Powers

    Given the synod in Ocotber, it does not seem likely that the pope would choose this time to go to Moscow. Unless of course an event prompts him... Sigh, not that I want world events to get worse, but a light in terms of Marian prophecy would be welcome.
     
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  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Natalia needs to realise that Truth is not necessarily, indeed it is rarely, the mid-point between two extremes.
     
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  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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    Luan Ribeiro Powers

  17. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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  18. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    ‘Not Much New’ Will Come Out of This Year’s Synod, Vatican’s Doctrine Chief Predicts


    Speaking just days before the Oct. 4 opening of the 16th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops, Cardinal Fernández predicted that those on both sides of the Church’s polarized wings will not get what they want, or fear.

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    Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández (Photo: Daniel Ibáñez)
    Almudena Martínez-BordiúVaticanOctober 1, 2023
    Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, the Vatican’s new chief of doctrine, predicts that “those who expect big changes” to come out of this month’s Synod of Bishops will be “disappointed.”

    But the Argentinian prelate, speaking Saturday in an exclusive interview with ACI Prensa, CNA’s Spanish-language news partner, left the door open to such changes happening at a later date.

    Fernández, the prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, made the remarks during the traditional courtesy visits that took place after he and 20 others received their “red hats” as cardinals from Pope Francis at a consistory in St. Peter’s Square on Sept. 30.

    Speaking just days before the Oct. 4 opening of the 16th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops, he predicted that those on both sides of the Church’s polarized wings will not get what they want, or fear.

    “People who are afraid of strange or misplaced doctrinal advances, and people who, on the other hand, expect great changes, are going to be really disappointed,” he said.

    The Synod on Synodality, he said, “is not conceived in this vein.”

    “At least not this year,” he added. “Afterwards, we will see what emerges, and next year we will see what happens, but for this synod, this year, we cannot expect too much.”


    Nothing for the Headlines
    What can be expected, the new cardinal assured, is “deepening of our self-awareness, of what we are as Church, what the Lord is asking of us, and what the world of today expects as well, and how we can better reach people with the same message we have always had.”

    “If we manage to attain a light that guides us, that orients us, for the future of what we have to be before the people of God and before the world, I think that would already be immense, but it will not attract anyone’s attention. You can’t make a headline out of it,” he reflected.

    The former archbishop of La Plata, Argentina, who since September holds what is perhaps the most powerful position in the Vatican after the Holy Father, suggests that “everyone, including journalists” should “lower their expectations” because, he asserted, “there will not be much new” from this synod.


    Profoundly Spiritual Call
    As for being named a cardinal, the 61-year-old Fernández told ACI Prensa that his appointment to the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith was “more shocking.”

    “It implies very intense work, which I do with pleasure, because for the most part, it involves theology, which is something I am passionate about,” he explained. “I dreamed that after I turned 65, I would return to studying and teaching. In reality [with this post,] I am not going to teach, but I do have to study, and that is something I enjoy.”

    The cardinal went on to praise his “very good team” of specialists and theologians at the dicastery, which, he said, gives him “more security.”

    But the cardinal’s hat, “it seems to me, wasn’t indispensable,” Fernández added. “As Pope Francis has ‘his own ideas,’ he could have left me as a prefect without this title.”

    Nevertheless, the call to be a cardinal has “that symbolic meaning of the donation of blood,” he said. “A call to a fuller, more courageous [surrender], more liberated from one’s own ego and one’s own needs.”

    This story was first published by ACI Prensa, CNA’s Spanish-language news partner. It has been translated and adapted by CNA.

    https://www.ncregister.com/cna/cna-not-much-new-from-this-years-synod-fernandez?amp

     
  19. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Perhaps this Cardinal may be the next Pope.
     
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  20. miker

    miker Powers

    Agree. Our Lady also agrees and warns in her latest message about modernism.


    “Dear children! I am calling you to strong prayer. Modernism wants to enter into your thoughts and steal from you the joy of prayer and of meeting with Jesus. That is why, my dear little children, renew prayer in your families, so that my motherly heart may be joyful as in the first days, when I had chosen you, and day and night prayer resounded — and Heaven was not silent but abundantly bestowed peace and blessing on this place of grace. Thank you for having responded to my call.”
     
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