I heard a journalist say another Journalist friend of his was at dinner with two Cardinals, Italians a few nights ago and a French guy who is to be made Cardinal shortly. The three of them were discussing Pope Francis and they were not happy campers, in fact they were furious about his Papacy and the immense damage he has done and is doing to the Church. The fact that these people do not speak out in public does not mean they don't have their own private thoughts. I think maybe the Holy Father and others forget this because they are living in their own little bubble.
I heard the same thing on a recent Catholic Unscripted you tube. The bishops were complaining that the Jesuits had taken over the Vatican.
Thank you again, dear forum members. As I understand it, His Excellency Bishop Schneider was referring to Question 14, Thesis 29 of "Tractatus de Ecclesia Christi" by Cardinal Billot: https://archive.org/details/tractatusdeeccle01bill/page/608/mode/2up?view=theater You would need to turn to Quaestio XIV, Thesis XXIX, starting on page 609. A summary in bold is provided by Cardinal Billot at the beginning of the Thesis. One of the key sentences seems to be the last one of summary in bold: "... pacificam universalis Ecclesiae adhaesionem fore semper infallibile signum legitimitatis personae Pontifieis, adeoque et existentiae omnium conditionum quae ad legitimitatem ipsam sunt requisite." "... the peaceful adherence of the universal Church will always be an infallible sign of the legitimacy of the person of the Pontiff, likewise also of the existence of all conditions which are required for legitimacy itself." My Latin is rather poor, so I am not sure. This reads to me pretty much like what Bishop Schneider was referring to in his second sentence (refer link below). For good order, here is the original link to Bishop Schneider's recent publication: https://www.gloriadei.io/articles/b...-validity-of-the-pontificate-of-pope-francis/ God bless everyone here! Hope we make it through this chastisement together and meet again, here or on the other side.
Just so everyone is clear. An Apostolic Constitution is the law of the Church. A theological opinion, in this case by Cardinal Billot or Auxillary Bishop Schneider, is nothing more than an opinion. Cardinal Billot was writing at a time when there was no Church law regarding this matter. In the later laws of papal elections, of which Universi Dominici Gregis is the most current, the matter was settled by Papal decision and cannot be overruled by a mere theological opinion. The Apostolic Constitution will always take precedence when there is a contradiction.
I also heard there was a big screaming match between an old Cardinal and Pope Francis that was heard all over the place they were shouting at each other so loudly. The old Cardinal was shouting that the Pope had been elected to preserve the Faith, not change it and asking what he thought he was up to?
https://cathcon.blogspot.com/2023/09/scandal-that-could-easily-destroy-this.html September 24, 2023 Scandal that could easily destroy this Pontificate and take the Pope's Synod with it The case of Marko Rupnik, accused of abuse, which pits the Rome Vicariate and the former Holy Office. Cardinal Ladaria has deserted the October Synod Will Cardinal Ladaria speak out? Cardinal Luis Ladaria Ferrer, until a few weeks ago Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, will not participate in the Synod on Synodality. He himself communicated this to the Pope, but the reasons behind this sensational decision were much discussed, to the point that the Holy See Press Office intervened to say that the cardinal's absence was due to tiredness and a desire to rest. The news, however, comes just a few days after the latest twist in the scandal involving Father Marko Rupnik, the Slovenian theologian and artist known the world over for his mosaics Very serious accusations The Rupnik case broke out at the beginning of last December following a series of articles published by specialized information bodies on the Church such as Silere Non Posum and Messainlatino.it to which the online magazine Left was then added. These sources revealed the existence of accusations of psychological and sexual abuse against Father Marko Rupnik, a famous Jesuit author of works of art also present in the Vatican in the Chapel of Redemptoris Mater. In the course of time, it emerged that there had been two open files on Rupnik: in 2020, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith found credible allegations concerning the Jesuit's absolution in the confessional of a novice with whom he had committed a sin against the sixth commandment. For this type of behaviour, the excommunication latae sententiae was issued, which the former Holy Office imposed on the Slovenian Jesuit, but which was later removed, we still do not know by whom. In 2021, meanwhile, new allegations of psychological and other abuse of nuns in the Loyola Community in Ljubljana in the 1990s came to the artist's attention. After an investigation ordered by the Society of Jesus, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith considered that the facts were subject to the statute of limitations and closed the file. In the meantime, Rupnik was subjected to restrictions on public activities and the administration of the Sacraments by his order, according to many not fully respected. The alleged victims speak The outbreak of the scandal also provoked the exposure of the alleged victims who, after writing to various personalities with positions in the Church without success, began to give public testimonies. A former nun of the Loyola Community told Federica Tourn of Domani that for nine years she was the victim of psychological violence by the Jesuit who allegedly induced her to have sexual intercourse after she offered to model in his art studio. "Father Marko at first slowly and gently infiltrated my psychological and spiritual world by appealing to my uncertainties and fragility while using my relationship with God to push me to have sexual experiences with him," the woman recounted, even claiming that Rupnik had convinced her to watch porn films in an X-rated cinema and was used to blasphemous behaviour before intercourse. Faced with the mounting accusations, the Vicariate of Rome - where the Aletti Centre, founded in the 1990s by the artist, is located - opted for an ultra-guaranteed position, with a statement by Cardinal Angelo De Donatis, who lashed out at the "disconcerting communication, especially in the media, that disorients the People of God", assuring collaboration with the Society of Jesus, which was called upon to clarify the facts. The Society of Jesus initiated internal procedures and received several complaints about Rupnik. Last June, the Jesuits announced that they "considered the degree of credibility of what had been denounced or testified to be very high" and, faced with the artist's "obstinate refusal to observe the vow of obedience", ordered his dismissal. No longer a Jesuit, therefore, but not reduced to the lay state. Twist Rupnik, however, has not fallen out of favour with the Church. The religious man, in fact, whom Francis called to preach the Lenten homilies in the Curia in 2020, was defended in recent days by the Vicariate of Rome, which had ordered a canonical visit to the Aletti Centre, where he resided and which, according to some of the alleged victims, was the scene of the abuses suffered. In the final report of the visit, the person in charge, Father Giacomo Incitti, not only found a 'healthy community life free of particular criticalities' at the Aletti Centre, but went so far as to examine the accusations against the Slovenian founder as to claim that he had found 'seriously anomalous procedures whose examination has generated well-founded doubts even on the very request for excommunication'. The excommunication is the one issued by the then Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 2020 and then mysteriously withdrawn soon after. The Vicariate's note, therefore, appeared to be a rejection of the work of the former Holy Office at the time led by Cardinal Ladaria. An affront probably not appreciated by the former Prefect, who a few days after the publication of the communiqué let the Pope know that he did not want to participate in the Synod on Synodality. Francis spoke only once about the case of his former Slovenian confrere during an interview with Nicole Winfield of The Associated Press in which he denied having played a decision-making role in the withdrawal of the excommunication and admitted only a procedural intervention in what he called "a small trial that reached the Congregation of the Faith in the past". On Friday 15 September, however, he received in audience Maria Campatelli, the director of the Aletti Centre, who had strenuously defended Rupnik after the news of his dismissal from the Society of Jesus, communicating in a letter the artist's intention to "leave the order, continuing to live this moment in discernment and ecclesial communion". Three days after the audience with the Pope, the Vicariate of Rome published the controversial note rehabilitating Rupnik. Four days after the note, on the other hand, Monsignor Luis Marín de San Martín announced the decision of Cardinal Ladaria - head of the Dicastery that excommunicated the Slovenian artist - not to attend the Synod despite the fact that his was a papal appointment. His resounding step backwards is yet another earthquake in the Church, which is preparing for an already heated Synod before the final phase begins. Source
Thank you so much, PNF, for clarifying this point. I am still deliberating on all this. I think you are right, though. The constitution you quoted above is from 1996, Cardinal Billot's treatise is from 1909 as far as I can see. God bless everyone here. I keep promising I will go quiet again; I will need to deliver on my promise soon.
Tuckers interview with this Argentinian presidential candidate has gone viral. The man pulls no punches when talking about this pope who definitely is not welcome in his native country.
I will let Jesus answer you (Gospel of John, chapter 10): 1 Amen, amen I say to you: He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he hath let out his own sheep, he goeth before them: and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. 5 But a stranger they follow not, but fly from him, because they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This proverb Jesus spoke to them. But they understood not what he spoke to them. 7 Jesus therefore said to them again: Amen, amen I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All others, as many as have come, are thieves and robbers: and the sheep heard them not. 9 I am the door. By me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved: and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I am come that they may have life, and may have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep. 12 But the hireling, and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and flieth: and the wolf catcheth, and scattereth the sheep: 13 And the hireling flieth, because he is a hireling: and he hath no care for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me. 15 As the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father: and I lay down my life for my sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18 No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19 A dissension rose again among the Jews for these words. 20 And many of them said: He hath a devil, and is mad: why hear you him?
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/...e-title-of-pope-s-exhortation-on-climate.html 'Laudate Deum,' to be title of Pope's Apostolic Exhortation on climate The title of Pope Francis' next Apostolic Exhortation will be "Laudate Deum," the Pope himself revealed, while addressing participants in a meeting of Latin American university rectors in the Vatican, and as he vehemently warned against a throwaway culture. By Father Johan Pacheco The name of Pope Francis' next Apostolic Exhortation on the environment will be Laudate Deum, Pope Francis has revealed. The Holy Father shared this on Thursday, Sept. 21 when addressing in the Vatican some 200 participants in the meeting of the Rectors of public and private universities of Latin America and the Caribbean, sponsored by the Red de Universidades para el Cuidado de la Casa Común and the Pontifical Commission for Latin America on Sept. 20 and 21 at the Augustinianum on the theme "Organizing Hope," with the participation of some Prefects and Secretaries of Dicasteries of the Holy See. During the occasion, the Pope reflected on various issues raised by the educators, including climate change, migration, and the culture of waste. The Holy Father urged them to be creative in the formation of young people from today's realities and challenges. The rectors asked the Pope questions on environmental and climate issues to which he responded by emphasizing the deplorable "throwaway culture or culture of abandonment." He explained that it is "a culture of misuse of natural resources, which does not accompany nature to full development and does not let it live. This culture of abandonment," he said, "harms all of us." The proper use of nature Pope Francis also described it from the human point of view: "There is a throwaway culture that is always going on, there is a lack of education to use the things that remain, to remake them, to replace them in the order of the common use of things. And this throwaway culture also affects nature." And he insisted on the urgency of returning to the proper use of nature: "Today humanity is tired of this misuse of nature, and must return to the path of good use of nature. And how we use nature, a word that may sound strange, I would say: dialogue with nature, dialogue." To this end, the Pope urged universities to create networks of awareness. "And at this point, you use a very beautiful word, which is organizing hope." "Reclaiming and organizing hope," Pope Francis said, "I like this phrase that you have said to me and one cannot help but consider it in the context of integral ecology, in this dimension according to which the youth of today have the right to a balanced cosmos and they have the right to hope and we have to help them to organize this hope, to make very serious decisions from this moment." Nature is for all Pope Francis also alluded to a "regenerative culture," identifying it as the fruit "of an economic crisis that is not always at the service of the development of the most needy. I would say that sometimes, or many times, it is not at the service of the development of everyone and creates more people in need. It is a culture of dispossession, we all have the right to the use of nature," to dominion over nature to make it grow and use it for the common good. The Pope expressed his concern about "some abstract scientific type universities" that "do not use reality but science, an abstract science, not real, and so they walk on economic theories, social theories, everything is theory, but they never land" on the reality of the most needy. "The discarded, the outcasts, are men and women, whole peoples that we leave on the street like garbage, are they not? We have to be aware that we use the wealth of nature only for small groups through socio-economic theories that do not integrate nature, the discarded." "Laudate Deum," the title of the next Apostolic Exhortation Pope Francis called for alternatives to help overcome the environmental crisis and cited as an example the use of solar panels to provide electricity to Paul VI Hall and other areas of the Vatican. "We have to be very creative in these things to protect nature" because obviously electricity is made on the basis of coal or other elements, which always create problems in nature itself and "the young people we train have to become leaders on this point, convinced." In his reflection, the Pope announced the name of his next Apostolic Exhortation: Laudate Deum, which will be published on the feast day of St. Francis of Assisi, Oct. 4: "a look at what has happened and say what needs to be done," he said. Human and environmental degradation go together The Holy Father also denounced the process of degradation that humanity is undergoing. "There is a process of environmental degradation, we can say that in general. But this leads down, to the bottom of the ravine. Degradation of living conditions, degradation of the values that justify these living conditions, because they go together." And he explained that "inequality" is also "evident in the lack of access to basic necessities, and from here come all those visions that sociologically, in fact, without naming them, make women, indigenous peoples, Africans, people with fewer capabilities." One of the forms of degradation and inequality, Pope Francis denounced, is "extractivism," that is, the hoarding of natural resources. "When this extractivist model goes on and enters people," he pointed out, "I extract the dignity of people, and this happens, never a geological extractivist model, so to speak, goes alone, it is always accompanied by the human extractivist model, the dignity of the person is extracted, they are slaves, said in another word. And please get this into children's heads, value education, so that they can evaluate these situations and can say clearly that this is called slavery." Politics as the noblest vocation Faced with this situation, the Pope called on university rectors to promote education in humanistic values and fraternal dialogue, helping students "enter politics" as a "noble vocation." "Let us not forget that the noblest vocation of the human person is politics. Let us train our young people to be politicians, in the broadest sense of the term. Let us not forget that the noblest vocation of the human person is politics. We must train our young people to be politicians, in the broadest sense of the word. Not only to act in a political party, which is a small group, but to have political openness and to know how to dialogue with political groups with maturity, politics is not a disease, in my opinion it is the noblest vocation in a society, because it is the one that carries out development processes." A human and Christian response to the migration crisis The Pope also spoke about the current migration crisis. "The migration drama in Europe today is extremely serious, extremely serious. And it cannot be solved by a mutual aid society, no. Here there is a humanistic and Christian question. Here there is a humanistic issue and a political decision, there are decisions that are human and Christian." "I ask you," the Pope told the rectors, "out of respect for suffering humanity, to address this issue in your universities, but with the human density that it has. "So in summary I say this to you: migrants must be welcomed, accompanied, promoted and integrated. If we fail to integrate the migrant, we fail," he added. "I want to say all this about migrants because the problem of migrants is very close to my heart," the Pope said again. He went on to say that "it is criminal what is being done today, here in Europe, sending them back, it is criminal. And I don't want to use euphemisms, I tell it like it is." The three human languages: head, heart and hands After reviewing all these situations, the Pope reminded that the task of universities should not be only to "teach things." "You must train boys and girls in the three human languages, that of the head, that of the heart and that of the hands. "So that they learn to think what they feel and what they do, to feel what they do and what they think, and to do what they feel and what they think." Finally, he thanked those present and summed up his words by calling on universities to be: "creative in the face of reality and challenges, educators and not just dispensers of information."
I know, I am afraid to say that anymore, because just when you thought you've heard it all there's another surprise.
Great article on Pope Francis and the impact of confusion. https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2023/09/cleaning-up-the-popes-mess
In all this concern about "mercy" without justice, this interview with Benedict is a breath of fresh air: https://www.catholicworldreport.com...edict-xvis-recent-rare-and-lengthy-interview/ Eternal rest grant to him, O Lord...
I was reading about the list of new cardinals that will be named by Pope Francis this Saturday, and the biography of this Italian cardinal caught my attention. Someone who seems to indicate the centrality of the Holy Land for the entire Church in its mission If he weren't so young and had so little time in the cardinalate, I'd say he's a strong candidate for the next conclave. His Beatitude Pierbattista Pizzaballa, OFM, appointed Cardinal Minister General: A sign of esteem and support for the Holy Land 09 July 2023 "Now I would like to announce that on the 30th September 2023 I will hold a consistory for the appointment of new cardinals. Their origin expresses the universality of the Church, which continues to announce the merciful love of God to all the men and women of the Earth", said Pope Francis on Sunday, the 9th July, 2023, during the Angelus in St. Peter's Square in Rome. Amongst the twenty-one cardinals there is one of our brothers, His Beatitude Pierbattista Pizzaballa, OFM, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem. Br. Massimo Fusarelli, Minister General, welcomed the appointment with great joy and saw it as a sign of esteem and support for the Holy Land: "It is with great joy that we welcomed the appointment of our Brother Pierbattista Pizzaballa, OFM, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, as Cardinal. A sign of esteem and support for the Holy Land and our Franciscan presence in those places". Brief biographical outline of His Beatitude Pierbattista Pizzaballa, OFM (from www.vatican.va) He was born in Cologno al Serio, Italy, on the 21st April, 1965. He attended Middle School at the Minor Seminary "Le Grazie" in Rimini and obtained his classical maturity at the Archiepiscopal Seminary of Ferrara (June 1984). He has been in the Order of Friars Minor since the 5th September 1984 at Ferrara (Santo Spirito-The Holy Spirit) and spent his year of novitiate in the Franciscan Shrine of La Verna (Arezzo-Italy). He made his Temporary Profession at La Verna on 7th September, 1985 and his Solemn Profession on the 10th October 1989 in Bologna, at the Church of St. Anthony. Thereafter, on the 15th September 1990, also in Bologna, he was ordained a priest. After spending a period in Rome, he then transferred to Jerusalem in the Holy Land, in October 1990. After his philosophical-theological studies, he obtained a Master’s Degree in Biblical Theology at the Studium Biblicum Franciscanum in Jerusalem. His Beatitude Pizzaballa speaks Italian, Modern Hebrew and English. In 1995, he edited the publication of the Roman Missal in Hebrew and translated various liturgical texts into Hebrew for the Catholic communities in Israel. On the 2nd July 1999 he formally entered the service of the Custody of the Holy Land. He served as Vicar General of the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem for the pastoral care of Hebrew-speaking Catholics in Israel. Since 2008 he has been a Consultor in the Commission for Relations with the Jews of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. He made his solemn entrance into St. Saviour’s friary on the 2nd June , 2004, and then at the Holy Sepulchre on the 3rd June, 2004, at Bethlehem on the 4th June, 2004, and at Nazareth on the 9th June of the same year. Fr. Pierbattista Pizzaballa was appointed Custos of the Holy Land for the first time in May 2004, for a period of six years. In May 2010 he was reconfirmed by the Minister General of the Order of Friars Minor for another three-year term and, in June 2013, for a further three years. On the 24th June, 2016, His Holiness Pope Francis appointed fr. Pierbattista Pizzaballa Apostolic Administrator of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem sede vacante, until the appointment of a new Patriarch. On the 15th July, 2016, on the occasion of the meeting of the College of Consultors of the Latin Patriarchate, His Beatitude Patriarch Emeritus Fouad Twal proceeded to transfer his powers to Archbishop Pierbattista Pizzaballa, designated Apostolic Administrator of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem as per the decree of Pope Francis. His Episcopal ordination took place in September 2016 in Bergamo, Italy. On the 24th October, 2020, Pope Francis appointed Msgr. Pierbattista Pizzaballa as the new Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem. To our brother Pierbattista, we wish him every blessing. He will be accompanied by the prayers of the whole Order so that his ministry to the Church of the Holy Land and to the people of the Middle East may bear abundant fruit of peace and goodwill. https://ofm.org/en/his-beatitude-pierbattista-pizzaballa-ofm-appointed-cardinal.html
