Good. I think if more faithful Catholics realized this was an option, to hold the mental reservation that PF is probably an antipope and the Church will eventually declare him as such, but until she does we are obliged to regard him as pope, this might alleviate some of the very real angst faithful Catholics are experiencing right now. I’m going to try to put together an article to this effect and try to get it published, maybe at 1Peter5.
We don’t know what God is doing. My trust is forever in Him. I agree that He works through His Church. I also think that this subject is fraught with prideful thinking. We know something is wrong and we jump ahead wanting to do something about it. I agree that the responsibility does not lie with the laity. Some things are so broken that only God can fix them. I think in a recent message to Fr Oliveira, the Blessed Mother said to hang on for awhile and then she would fix it. Poor quote on my part. I’m finding the link to the exact quote now.
https://casorosendi.com/2023/06/29/revelation-to-fr-oliveira/ this was posted earlier this month by Pray4peace
I don’t disagree with you. However good Catholics are now declaring on their own authority that PF is not a valid pope. Therein lies immense danger. Others are leaving for Orthodoxy or are giving up altogether. If it’s possible to offer this idea of “mental reservation” as a lifeline to help them hold on a little longer, till God acts, it might help keep some souls in the Barque who are otherwise contemplating jumping overboard.
In the message to Fr O, if you believe it is from Heaven, Our Lady said to pray a lot for our Holy Father , to fast and make sacrifices for him. She never once mentioned the word antipope. That would be where we should put our efforts at this time, imho. She came as Our Lady of Fatima. It’s a deep message. I need to reread it.
To declare publically that the Pope is not the Pope is Schismatic and according to Canon Law results in the automatic excommunication of the one who does so. Though it occurs to me the there is a Catch 22 involved in this, for if the Pope were not the Pope then saying he is not the Pope is only a statement of simple fact. It gives me a headache thinking abohutt it. Best to leave it to the Bishops and Cardinals. It's their job really.
You know Archbishop Vigano, Cardinals Mueller and Burke, people like that who would have been in a perfect position to know, as far as I am aware none of them have ever suggested Pope Francis is not the Pope.
Yes, but once I see something questionable in them (to my mind) my own bar raises as far as their authenticity.
In the past, canonized saints have supported both the claimants to the papacy as well as individuals the Church eventually declared to have been antipopes. These saints who resisted an antipope obviously were not excommunicated. Neither were those who supported one. We have to be careful with our own pontifications. It’s just as dangerous to declare a pope is an antipope as it is to declare those who honestly believe a “pope” to be an antipope to be automatically excommunicated. We’re walking a razor thin line in the midst of universal diabolical disorientation. We need to keep our pontificating within our own competency. All we laity can do is offer our own opinions in good faith, then pray and sacrifice.
Yes. Absolutely. And as persuasive as Fr Oliveira's messages are or Fr James Blount for that matter they are undiscerned by official authorities with the charism to discern them--i.e. bishops. I find myself holding mental reservations about such revelations. And why did Jennifer's" spiritual advisor leave the priesthood? Thats a bit of a red flag. Its the "wild west" out there on the spiritual "frontier" and it makes our situation as laity incredibly fraught.
No they have not, they understand that God will sort this out in His time. The virtues of obedience and humility are critical. Obedience is the vehicle for humility.
