Escalation - very worrying

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Dec 7, 2022.

  1. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Agreed and good points. A few weeks back I was seeing articles in the MSM about giving Ukraine weapons capable of hitting ammo depots and bases inside Russia. The HIMAR missile systems we already supplied are capable of that but were supposedly modified not to allow them to strike inside Russia. There are other missiles the HIMAR system uses that extend the range of that system as well. For all we know they already have them sitting somewhere.
    I knew things had taken a turn when their president came to DC. That and the constant barrage of media propaganda I suspect is regarding wavering public support for the war.
     
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  2. Byron

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  3. miker

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  4. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It's a cynical and dubious 'ally' that lends deliberately hamstrung weapons.
     
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  5. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Indeed. What do they think will be the reaction of the Russian people when pictures of German tanks are seen advancing on the battlefield? Germany was right not to have wanted to supply these weapons.
     
  6. miker

    miker Powers

    recognizing that this paper is a tabloid type…. Still assuming this is sentiment of at least some in Russia. Germany sending tanks (Reports say Biden will also be sending M1s) only help those in Russia message they were right. And I what does West think will happen? Let’s say they start pushing Russia back…. It leaves them cornered and military options shrink down to where a tactical nuke is only choice for them. Even if that does not trigger a Western/US response, at a minimum it exacerbates the already shaky economic downturns. I fear this is a disaster and the biggest escalation turning point to date.

    From a spiritual /eschatological perspective, I even wonder if this sets up the entrance of the Antichrist onto the world scene?
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. The leader who emerges to pull us back from nuclear annihilation.:(
     
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  8. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    I read the same thing from a military analyst - that weapons will be supplied only in the quantities needed to keep Ukraine fighting.
    Different weapons systems should actually be used at the same time to compensate for the respective weaknesses.
    By the way, Russia has about 12000 tanks, which may be old, but a handful of tanks from Nato stocks will not compensate for that.

    A German former NATO general reports that there has been the possibility of a negotiated solution on several occasions. Here is a translated excerpt from a recent interview:

    How do you assess the current developments in Ukraine?
    The longer the war lasts, the more difficult it will be to achieve a negotiated peace. The Russian annexation of four Ukrainian territories on September 30, 2022, is an example of a development that will be difficult to reverse. That is why I found it so regrettable that the negotiations held in Istanbul in March were broken off after great progress and a thoroughly positive outcome for Ukraine. Russia had apparently agreed in the Istanbul negotiations to withdraw its forces to the level of February 23, before the attack on Ukraine began. Now there are repeated calls for complete withdrawal as a precondition for negotiations.

    What did Ukraine offer in return?

    Ukraine had undertaken to renounce NATO membership and not to allow the stationing of foreign troops or military facilities. In return, it was to receive security guarantees from states of its choice. The future of the occupied territories was to be resolved diplomatically within 15 years, explicitly renouncing military force.
    Why did the treaty, which would have saved tens of thousands of lives and spared the Ukrainians the destruction of their land, not materialize?
    According to reliable information, then British Prime Minister Boris Johnson intervened in Kiev on April 9 and prevented a signing. His reasoning was that the West was not ready for an end to the war.

    It is outrageous what is being played.
    The negotiations in Istanbul were known, also that they were close to an agreement, but from one day to the next nothing was heard.
    In mid-March, for example, the British "Financial Times" reported on progress. Corresponding reports also appeared in some German newspapers. Why the negotiations failed, however, has not been reported. When Putin announced the partial mobilization on Sept. 21, he mentioned publicly for the first time that Ukraine had responded positively to Russian proposals in the Istanbul negotiations in March 2022. "But," he said verbatim, "a peaceful solution did not suit the West, so it actually ordered Kiev to nullify all agreements."

    About this, in fact, our press is silent.
    Unlike, for example, the American media. "Foreign Affairs" and "Responsible Statecraft," two prestigious magazines, published very informative reports on this. The article in "Foreign Affairs" was by Fiona Hill, a former high-ranking staffer in the White House National Security Council. She is very knowledgeable and absolutely reliable. Very detailed information was also published in the pro-government "Ukrainska Pravda" back on May 2.

    Do you have any more details about this monstrosity?
    It is known that the main contents of the draft agreement are based on a proposal made by the Ukrainian government on March 29. In the meantime, many U.S. media are also reporting on this. However, I have had to learn that German media are unwilling to take up the issue even when they have access to the sources. (End quote)



    I myself find it strange how the German media only reports about more weapons and more war. Apparently it is no different in Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and other countries.
    The politicians who demand peace negotiations are simply ignored. you can only find them on the internet.

    Kennedy said in 1962: "Above all, nuclear powers, while constantly defending their own vital interests, must avoid such confrontations as leave an adversary only the choice of humiliating retreat or nuclear war."

    In our country it is said - we need more weapons to create peace - Orwell would be proud....

    I don't think much of the mainstream but the many facets are interesting anyway:
    How Ukraine became a testbed for Western weapons and battlefield innovation
    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab/index.html
     
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  9. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I recently read that Ukraine is now obtaining artillery ammunition from US ammo stockpiles in Israel and South Korea. We have far less production capacity of artillery ammunition than Russia so once it is depleted it will take far longer to replenish. All NATO countries combined may not equal it in fact due to Russia's ground fighting military strategy which uses roughly 3x the artillery as NATO strategy.
    If Russia is able to continue keeping the skies closed with its S-300 and 400 surface to air systems it will inevitably pound Ukrainian ground forces into oblivion along with all the towns, villages and people who live there. NATO forces know this and have from the start. This is why Zelensky just signed into law prison terms of 3-10 years for soldiers who abandon posts or disobey orders. They are fighting in a hell on earth, poor souls. I don't know how Ukrainian leadership is justifying this to it's people.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-transfers-military-weapons-stockpile-israel-ukraine

    This is an interesting read as well all things considered...

    https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare
     
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  10. "Quis ut Deus"

    "Quis ut Deus" ADMIN Staff Member

    I have a bad feeling about the news today about the tanks all being approved to go to Ukraine its a feeling off "grab a lion by the tail you most certainly will get bit" ironically the tanks are called leopards :confused:
     
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  11. AED

    AED Powers

    There is this inexorable movement forward baleful and purposeful. "They" really do want things to blow up. Do they think the lion will eat them last?(n):unsure:
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Great assessment.
     
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  13. miker

    miker Powers

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    "Quis ut Deus" ADMIN Staff Member

  15. Jo M

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  16. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    Where to start!

    So Russians are less at fault in the matter of abortion because, although no-one there cares to protest against it, no-one (in response) protests FOR it - that's because they don't need to. No-one in Russia is seriously and publicly trying to limit the very lax laws relating to abortion. In the US, there are many and legal anti-abortion protests. The silence in Russia is deafening. The vast majority don't care and those that do don't care to face imprisonment when all street 'protests' require government approval which would certainly not be permitted on that subject since Putin has spoken. I have never pointed to 'good guys', I regard Biden as an opportunistic and evil old fool but he can be (and probably will be) got rid of. The thoroughly evil, murderous, war-mongering thug in the Kremlin is a fixture unless and until someone does to him what he has done to so many (and who may be even worse than he is).

    Democracy is messy but is far preferable to the totally cynical pretence at free and fair elections operating in Russia, its satellites and in much of Africa and South America. If they despise democracy, why do they pretend that they embrace it? Because they know that they would have no legitimacy at all. Stalin (admired by his current successor) said that it's not the people who vote that count but those who count the votes. It is telling that you defend dictatorship as a form of government. Could you point to any country past or present that is/was effectively a dictatorship (such as Russia today) in which the free speech (that you use so freely to damn your own government) would be allowed in disagreement with the incumbent leader's policies?
     
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  17. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    If God used the Romans to destroy Jerusalem (and then conquered them) he could certainly use Russia to chastise the west. It's a story as old as time.
     
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  18. miker

    miker Powers

    It’s really incredible to think this us happening again.
     
  19. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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  20. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    The reason for the reduced abortion rate in Russia is explained in the following paper:

    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB5055.html

    The outrageously high rates of abortion in Russia were the result of the lack of contraceptive use in the past. Since the 1990s, contraceptives have been used more often and have become a substitute for abortion. So the Russians have just replaced one mortal sin with another.
     
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