In the Apocalypse, the war is the second seal, the red horseman. And, again, I agree with you, the most important war will be the one for the soul of the Church. But before that, there will be the "wars and rumors of wars" that Jesus talks about at the beginning of the Olivet Discourse. He says about those "wars and rumors of wars" to "see that you are not troubled" by them. Which I interpret to mean that he is saying that those global wars are real but are a distraction from the important war for the soul of the Church. In fact, the distractive wars and the false peace accord the follows will create the media narrative of a "secular messiah" that enables the Antichrist to destroy the soul of the Church by changing fundamental doctrine on things like same-sex marriage, etc.
All the mystic seers, priests from the days of La Salette and today see secular military war’s and plagues coming to earth. But none speak of a Messianic Antichrist from the secular world stopping a war. I don’t believe Pope Francis has to stop a WWIII for the secular world to follow him, they already are following. And the world supports a WWIII scenario against Russia already. Most feel it’s a justified war.
Now you are talking!!!! And you are right. Wars will be a distraction. I do believe some of this “peace treaty prophecy” was a concoction by some in the Christian sects, who have misinterpreted the end times.
Hi Carol55. Can you please provide references for your statements? Specifically, where does St. Hildegard say that? And where does Frances Hogan say those things? I am not trying to trip you up. If you don't remember where it was, that's fine. I understand this "large conversion" to take place at the Warning. The "Jewish people" is a metaphor for the Catholics in the end times, the elect. The true Period of Peace follows the "false peace" initiated by the Antichrist. The "springtime of Faith" is for the elect and those who persevere in their conversion at the Warning. Those who do not convert or who initially convert but do not persevere will experience God's Wrath or Chastisement.
Carol, we are in the Great Apostasy already. It’s what you and HH can’t understand. What more of an apostasy can there be than what we are witnessing today?
I am going to agree to disagree with you vehemently here. And there is no way I can defend my views. I have a lifetime of Journey behind me. I do not have to defend myself to you or anyone on this forum. Adios.
According to Desmond Birch’s interview with Fr Heilman a few months ago, we are not in the Great Apostasy. We are at the end of times prior to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. The Great Apostasy is after the period of peace. I am getting off of this thread and a few others because I am holding my views to myself. It’s not my place to keep trying to defend myself. imo, I don’t need to do that. It disturbs my peace.
Nobody is asking you to defend yourself. These are important theological views that are personal. That’s all. They make a lot of sense to many of us. But nobody really knows, not even Desmond Birch.
It’s not just HH and I that don’t believe that Byron. I suggest Desmond Birch’s book to you, so you can read the many prophecies that confirm that this not the big one yet. I believe that Padraig and BrianK don’t believe that this is the great apostasy either. Muzhik can help explain also imo. I don’t like this sort of debate because I feel that this subject is so very complicated that the best that I can do is state what I believe and why but to continue to go head to head about it probably won’t change your mind or change mine either.
Totally agree!!!! Good points. Desmond Birch consolidates many Catholic prophecies, some of which are very old. Yes, Padraig and Brian share this belief that Carol and I share. I just don’t feel the need to go head to head on this or a few other threads.
It’s ok Carol. We all are searching. Some of us here don’t believe in Garabandal, or even Fatima. But I do. And so PNF has some interesting points and asking him questions is ok, right? He believes an Antichrist figure will stop an WWIII war, and I don’t. But we respect each other’s comments either way, like I respect yours and HH. You both don’t believe that we are in the Great Apostasy, but both PNF and I do. Differences of opinions on subjects is healthy.
Maybe we should take a vote to see who believes what? That will settle it, and we won't have to discuss anything on the discussion forum. After all, the voting technique "worked" for Pilate: 18 But the whole multitude together cried out, saying: Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas: 19 Who, for a certain sedition made in the city and for a murder, was cast into prison. 20 And Pilate again spoke to them, desiring to release Jesus. 21 But they cried again, saying: Crucify him, Crucify him. 22 And he said to them the third time: Why, what evil hath this man done? I find no cause of death in him. I will chastise him therefore and let him go. 23 But they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And their voices prevailed. 24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required. 25 And he released unto them him who for murder and sedition had been cast into prison, whom they had desired. But Jesus he delivered up to their will.
And let me recommend another fabulous book called Revelations by Xavier Ayral. He also writes about prophecies.
Thank you Byron. Sarcasm, hmmm. That’s ok too but you must know that you have a few ideas that are out there PNF. You have conviction though, I’ll grant you that. In my post to Byron, I was just trying to point out that is not solely HH and I that believe that we are not in the great apostasy yet. No vote on this will be necessary. Thank you.
Yes, I caught the sarcasm too. Again Carol there are some in this forum who don’t believe that the Warning is coming. What are we to do?
Continue praying the rosary for all of the clergy and for peace. I think that we also need to be patient and hope that we can introduce the Warning to as many people as possible before it occurs. I would leave sarcasm out of the conversation though, lol. I spoke about It to someone this morning who I don’t know well at all. She welcomed the conversation and she told me that she prays the rosary everyday. So you never know.
What worries me most are those who won’t follow the true Church after the Warning. That’s what keeps me up at night. Imagine all the young people who are not following the faith today, will they believe after the Warning?
