The evidence is overwhelming. I wonder if those who disagree actually took the time to look at all the facts presented in that site with an open mind. But at the end of the day I think Carol’s word of advice above somewhere is a wise one. The hour is very, very late and maybe we shouldn’t devote too much energy to such subjects. But it makes you wonder: what could be contained in those 23 lines of the real secret? It must be something devastating, of enormous significance to the church and the world that the powers of darkness would go to such extreme lengths to suppress!! How infuriating it must have been to these powers when Heaven repeated the same message in Garabandal and in Akita, both of which were equally and violently attacked and furiously suppressed.
Yes it's infuriating but somewhere even this evil is a blessing because we know that we have a good God and that He will come even if His House tries to deny Him a passage and a home. He will come through His House regardless and will increase the blessings for us all for His Glory. I am thinking of the promises given to us about the Divine Will which make more and more sense if we consider that some leaders of the House have been trying to close off doors of Grace for the faithful and the world. One of the messages in the story of the three wise men is that they who were pagan understood more than the priests in Jerusalem who were completely in the dark. They were able to go quite far on their journey to find the Messiah with their own prayers and reason, almost to the goal, but to find Jesus they needed to go through the elders and leaders of the House of God who guided them despite being the first cause of persecution of the Messiah. So I'm sure this is happening again, despite any and all evil actions or inclinations, all things work for the Glory of God.
Yes, the hour is very, very late. Good words. Our particular judgment looms. The Final Judgment looms. It looms for all. This is Advent, and that was the homily a couple of weeks ago. Does it matter if people choose not to look at videos? I think not. No worries
Yes the hour is late. Off topic but here is a nice prayer to focus our minds on the coming of Our Lord.
I like Roy Schoeman so much. I used to be at retreats with him. He too knew the holy woman I've spoken of on the forum. She was very instrumental in his spiritual walk.
I read that she said 3rd secret was not for us to know which is the opposite of what we have heard in past
To the Reverend Sister Maria Lucia of the Convent of Coimbra In the great joy of Easter, I greet you with the words the Risen Jesus spoke to the disciples: “Peace be with you”! I will be happy to be able to meet you on the long-awaited day of the Beatification of Francisco and Jacinta, which, please God, I will celebrate on 13 May of this year. Since on that day there will be time only for a brief greeting and not a conversation, I am sending His Excellency Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to speak with you. This is the Congregation which works most closely with the Pope in defending the true Catholic faith, and which since 1957, as you know, has kept your hand-written letter containing the third part of the “secret” revealed on 13 July 1917 at Cova da Iria, Fatima. Archbishop Bertone, accompanied by the Bishop of Leiria, His Excellency Bishop Serafim de Sousa Ferreira e Silva, will come in my name to ask certain questions about the interpretation of “the third part of the secret”. Sister Maria Lucia, you may speak openly and candidly to Archbishop Bertone, who will report your answers directly to me. I pray fervently to the Mother of the Risen Lord for you, Reverend Sister, for the Community of Coimbra and for the whole Church. May Mary, Mother of pilgrim humanity, keep us always united to Jesus, her beloved Son and our brother, the Lord of life and glory. With my special Apostolic Blessing. IOANNES PAULUS PP. II From the Vatican, 19 April, 2000 From Pope John Paul II to Sr. Lucia https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/message-of-fatima-2045
In 2010 at Fatima Pope Benedict revealed part of the unreleased part of the 3rd secret probably in relation to that portion -- 'in Portugal, the dogma of the faith' - Lombardi: Holiness, what significance do the apparitions of Fatima have for us today? And when you presented the text of the Third Secret, in the Vatican Press Office, in June 2000, it was asked of you whether the Message could be extended, beyond the attack on John Paul II, also to the other sufferings of the Pope. Is it possible, according to you, to frame also in that vision the sufferings of the Church of today for the sins of the sexual abuse of minors? Pope Benedict: Beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, which we can in substance refer to John Paul II, are indicated future realities of the Church which are little by little developing and revealing themselves. Thus, it is true that beyond the moment indicated in the vision, it is spoken, it is seen, the necessity of a passion of the Church that naturally is reflected in the person of the Pope; but the Pope is in the Church, and therefore the sufferings of the Church are what is announced ... As for the novelty that we can discover today in this message, it is that attacks on the Pope and the Church do not come only from outside, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from within the Church, from sins that exist in the Church. This has always been known, but today we see it in a really terrifying way: that the greatest persecution of the Church does not come from enemies outside, but arises from sin in the Church. The latter revelations do not match the revealed part of the secret which mention absolutely nothing about 'enemies within' the Church. Two days later on May 13 when, during his homily at the Mass to commemorate the anniversary of the first Fatima apparition, the Pope declared: “One would be deceiving himself who thinks that the prophetic mission of Fatima is concluded.” [“Si illuderebbe chi pensasse che la missione profetica di Fatima sia conclusa.”] This was a direct attack on Berone's 'interpretation' that the prophetic mission of Fatima had been concluded or “fulfilled” with the failed assassination attempt, and that publication of the Third Secret, as Bertone absurdly contended, “brings to an end a period of history marked by tragic human lust for power and evil.” That the Pope has made this declaration on the most solemn possible occasion — his homily during the Mass at the Fatima Shrine — gave it the force of a teaching of the Church’s universal pastor. Some 500,000 souls in the Cova alone — not counting the millions who followed him on live television — heard the Roman Pontiff say that whoever claims the prophetic mission of Fatima is concluded has deceived himself.
According to the part 2 video posted above, 'Sr. Lucia' in 1992 met out in public (which was unusual as meetings took place in the Convent behind the grille) with 3 individuals. The names of the individuals are not mentioned in the clip but there are photos of them and the particulars of the meeting were published in a book called, 'Two Hours with Sr. Lucy'. In the video at 5:24 'Sr. Lucy' answers questions about the 1984 Consecration of St. John Paul II. At 6:23 'Sr. Lucy' answers the question about the 3rd Secret of Fatima: Does God and Our Lady still want the Church to reveal the Third Secret? 'Sr. Lucy' says: "The Third Secret is not intended to be revealed. It was only intended for the Pope and the immediate Church hierarchy." Question: But didn't Our Lady say that it was to be revealed to the public by 1960, at the latest? 'Sr. Lucy' says: "Our Lady never said that. Our Lady said it was for the Pope. Question: "Can the Pope reveal the Third Secret? 'Sr. Lucy' says: "The Pope can reveal it if he chooses to, but I advise him not to. If he chooses to, I advise great prudence. He must be prudent." So this answer does seem to contradict what was said in Sr. Lucy's memoirs that the Third Secret was to be revealed to the whole world by 1960 - but I need to investigate that further. Also, there does appear to be a u-turn in her approval of the 'Consecration of Russia' to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Again I need to investigate and confirm this further. It is also worth noting that one of the un-named individuals who conducted the interview with 'Sr. Lucy' reported to the narrator of the above video that "there seemed to be something very troubling and wrong with Sr. Lucia."
Yes, this is it. And here's Sister Lucy's last public interview from 1957. She`s quite outspoken and openly talks about Russia, terrible chastisements and nations disappearing from the face of the earth. It's also quite prophetic. The Vatican must have decided that she was a liability and had to be silenced somehow.
I wonder if Lucy's family member(s) commented on her new facial features? If there was maybe one difference that could be missed, but so many differences?
I am sorry that I cannot give a link to this, but I do remember reading awhile back that there was no fake Lucy, and that as she aged and with false teeth, she looked like her relatives as they aged.
But her teeth would have been larger to hold up that jaw. There are dental experts on the videos, but I do not need an expert to tell me because our eyes do not lie. It is our heart that has a problem accepting the truth.
The only explanation in my thoughts are that the family was threatened and forced. Just as I feel Pope Benedict was. Pope Benedict is not free to speak, he is a prisoner. The same evil was present in both cases but that is my opinion.
