What happens if the pope is a heretic?

I truly believe this man was an authentic messenger of God based on the words I have read and the peace I feel. We can see what was revealed to him unfolding before our eyes.
Let him who has ears to hear, hear.

 

Frodo, here are the facts:

You linked to a page that explained the situation with the Bishop. Here is that page that you say is your evidence (aside from the unsubstantiated claims of "the miracle hunter"):

ENGLISH: https://www-madonnadelpino-altervis...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

ITALIAN: http://www.madonnadelpino.altervista.org/curia.html

I recommend that you read the document again carefully. Here is the key point made in the document that you produced as your evidence that the Bishop has lawfully condemned the messages of Giuseppe Auricchia:

ENGLISH TRANSLATION:

For the Vatican it is only the bishop who can, after investigating the alleged apparitions or revelations through a commission, make three types of decisions:

Constat de supernaturalitate (the case is of supernatural origin);
Constat de non supernaturalitate (the case is not of supernatural origin);
Non constat de supernaturalitate (it is not possible to establish whether the case is of supernatural origin)

For the Mammanelli case, after 18 years to date, 2008, of continuous apparitions, there has been no pronouncement in these terms by the diocesan bishop.
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Do you see that Frodo? The Bishop (as of 2008) had NEVER made an official, lawful pronouncement on those apparitions. So, again, your accusations are empty.

Why do you spend so much effort trying to accuse a holy old, semi-illiterate man of lying based on nothing but innuendo? Do you think this is not what the Eighth Commandment refers to?

 

He really is the destroyer.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/pope-picks-more-pro-aborts-for-life-academy

 

St. Francis's warning about the end-times "destroyer" Antipope who will "obscure" the "pure" message of the Order of St. Francis (i.e., the message of Jesus Christ):

Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.

The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected [Daniel 11:21], will be raised to the Pontificate [Our Lady of Lasalette, "Rome will become the Seat of the Antichrist"], who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.

Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.

There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened [Matthew 24:22], according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error [Matthew 24:24], were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.

Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life [Apocalypse 2:10]; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.

Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth [CCC 675-677]. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him.

And in order to be like their Head [Jesus Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish [physically] rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.

Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer [Apocalypse 9:11].

Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi (London: R. Washbourne, 1882)​

 

And as St. Francis describes the end times Antipope, the imposter, who took his name (Francis), we see years later St. Pius X (Joseph Sarto) describe the true Pope of the same end-time period:

I have seen one of my successors, of the same name, who was fleeing over the bodies of his brethren [Third Secret of Fatima]. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite, he will die a cruel death. Respect for God has disappeared from human hearts. They wish to efface even God’s memory. This perversity is nothing less than the beginning of the last days of the world.
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A Pope with the same name as Joseph Sarto is Joseph Ratzinger. Also, the last true Pope listed as the "glory of the olive" by St. Malachy's prophecy. This stuff is so obvious to me. I don't see how more people don't understand the implications of these prophecies.

Jorge Mario BerGOGlio/"Francis" is the person described by St. Francis. Joseph Ratzinger/Pope Benedict XVI is the person described by St. Pius X.

 

Thank u for sharing this....i found these a few years ago..these messages but found nothing about them anywhere. I do not just jump into believing anything and i pray for disernment. But it would take alot of bravery for a Bishop or priest to say they are real, given the present situation we are in. 2 mystics i do follow, padro regis and another, say to listen to the true magisterium of the Church and in my heart i know what that means.

 

Yes we need to find out more because of the language barrier it's not easy to research.

 

Speaking of the language barrier, the man's name Giuseppe Auricchia has interesting meanings:

Giuseppe (Joseph)
Auricchia (Golden-ears)

Considering that he listened well to Our Lady, like her husband Joseph, her most chaste spouse, the name of this humble semi-literate farmer would seem to be most appropriate.

 

Utter nonsense. All I ever did was provide information, and for that you claim I am breaking a commandment? The fact is the bishop is against the apparitions. What I said is true. Not exactly sure why you are going personal here either. Poor form which suggest a weak argument.

You calling the pope an anti-pope on a pubic forum on the other hand, seems awfully close to pulling down an anathema on your own head. Tread carefully. You can be right and for all intents and purposes still be wrong on this....

Brian - I'm not at all surprised at some others here who don't particularly like to hear their new favorite messages may not be authentic. I have thick skin, so whatever . But I'd recommend that you take some time and really pray/think through what you promote and, as importantly, allow others to promote on the forum here. You know I have questions on many things that are being done at present. But allowing posters to say this "Jorge Mario BerGOGlio" is the antipope on a public forum seems to cross the line here. I know that you know of trusted orthodox theologians who would tell you the same thing. We can be critical of moves/decisions without ever crossing the line which should not be crossed by any faithful Catholic.

 

Avola, 28 September 2008 - Our Lady: "Stay close to Pope Benedict XVI, he is a holy man and is very close to My Motherly Heart. My sons and daughters, you must be careful as the last times draw near. He will suffer much for My Son Jesus, he is always ready to reserve the teachings of the Church but he will be persecuted. Do you not see what is happening around you? I intercede with My Son to protect him from evil. Do not be surprised if one day he is isolated, and this may happen in the near future. There will be in the world a political uprising of the godless, at that time in Italy the hatred of the godless will be seen, in its place they will install a false prophet of the people of evil. This event and others will occur before the triumph of My Son, who in His Glory will come among you, then all evil will disappear. Pray, pray, pray for My Son Benedict XVI".

Giuseppe Auricchia may or may not be authentic, but the canvas on which he painted pictures a reality that mirrors our current crisis.

The course of action which Benedict undertook in 2013 may never be fully understood or dissected. One thing is clear: he was a persecuted man. The fact that the disabled ATM machines came back on line the day after his resignation broadcasted that the array of forces pressuring him were not limited to the confines of the Vatican. He was indeed isolated. This fact, indeed, makes me weep and cringe! These are the same forces that will soon come after us whether we be a PNF, a Frodo, or a Mario.

We have not seen such forces arrayed against Francis. Our Pope has chosen, for better or for worse, to hobnob and fraternize with the NWO, the Chinese, and the modernists within. The four-year Synod is a synthesis of the chosen path since Benedict resigned.

The wedding dress of the Bride may be torn asunder, but the one that will replace it will shimmer in the beauty of the Era of Peace.

O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!

 

Frodo, I'm sorry that you took what I said as a personal attack. My comment about the Eighth Commandment was what I consider a spiritual act of mercy, specifically "instructing the ignorant." My hope was that you would recognize that your comments about Mr. Auricchia, although maybe not intending harm, could, in fact, have the side effect of harming a man's reputation. Again, I apologize that my tone was not clear.

But still, I do think your comments may have the effect of harming Mr. Auricchia's reputation, if not recanted. You said that a Bishop "gave a negative opinion." The fact is, only a negative JUDGEMENT from a Bishop actually matters, not his PERSONAL OPINION. There has been NO OFFICIAL JUDGEMENT, negative or otherwise, from any bishop on those apparitions. Only an OFFICIAL JUDGEMENT from a bishop, after an official inquiry, in one of these three forms has any force in the Catholic Church:

Constat de supernaturalitate (the case is of supernatural origin);
Constat de non supernaturalitate (the case is not of supernatural origin);
Non constat de supernaturalitate (it is not possible to establish whether the case is of supernatural origin)

No bishop has publicly stated his OFFICIAL JUDGEMENT using one of those prescribed forms, that we know of. So to warn people that the messages of Mr. Auricchia may be "false" because of an informal report of a "negative OPINION" of a bishop is at best misleading and prematurely judging the situation. You admit that right?

 

In all charity Brian, and with respect, please take a step back from this for a few days. I stand to be corrected, but I don't remember anything at all about the papacy being protected. The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, which is all at once suffering, militant and holy. I remember, I think it was Padraig, saying that in the past there were saints on both sides of these problems in the past, and that gave him comfort. Take solace in the fact that God will sort this out. It's His Church and He will prevail. You are a good and well meaning man. I beg you, step back just for awhile.

 

https://dailyheadlines.com/wait-what-did-the-pope-just-call-for-every-nation-to-turn-communist/



Wait, What? Did The Pope Just Call For Every Nation To Turn Communist….

Pope Francis is urging for reforms to the United Nations, specifically to the UN Security Council, in an upcoming book, saying the COVID-19 pandemic and Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine have exposed its limitations. The pope wants to create a new economic system that creates food, health, economic and social rights for all.


Meaning, a call for Socialism around the world.

Pope Francis has criticized international leaders, saying they have failed to address war and inequality, in an extract of his new book published Sunday.


The head of the Roman Catholic Church called for major reforms at the United Nations – saying it must find new ways to resolve conflict, as the war in Ukraine goes on.

More details of this report from Newsmax:


Pope Francis said the need to reform the United Nations was “more than obvious” after the Covid-19 pandemic and the Ukraine war exposed its limits, in an extract of his new book published Sunday.

The Argentine pontiff said Russia’s February invasion of Ukraine highlighted the need to ensure the current multilateral structure — especially the UN Security Council — finds “more agile and effective ways of resolving conflicts”.

“In wartime, it is essential to affirm that we need more multilateralism and a better multilateralism,” but the UN is no longer fit for “new realities”, he added in an extract published by La Stampa daily.

The organisation was founded to prevent the horrors of two World Wars from happening again, but although the threat represented by those conflicts was still alive, “today’s world is no longer the same”, said Francis.

“The necessity of these reforms became more than obvious after the pandemic” when the current multilateral system “showed all its limits”, he added.

Francis denounced the unequal distribution of vaccines as a “glaring example” of the law of the strongest prevailing over solidarity.

On another side of the story, Yahoo’s ‘Hans Despain’ praises the Pope’s latest actions:

Pope Francis has become the eminent voice of the economically destitute and the environment. Since being elected to the papacy Pope Francis insists that we need a new economic system that better provides basic needs for the global poor, along with guaranteed work and land.

Regarding the environment, Pope Francis contends we “must not be indifferent or resigned to the loss of biodiversity and the destruction of ecosystems, often caused by our irresponsible and selfish behavior.”

He warns: “Because of us, thousands of species will no longer give glory to God by their very existence. … We have no such right.”

For Pope Francis, economic destitution and environmental destruction are symbiotically linked. “Climate change is,” according to Pope Francis, displacing people, increasing poverty and “contributing to the heart-rending refugee crisis. The world’s poor, though least responsible for climate change, are most vulnerable and already suffering its impact.”

Pope Francis emphasizes globally there are a series of “profoundly interconnected crises” in “the areas of health care, the environment, food supplies and the economy,” not to mention regional wars, “social, humanitarian and ethical crises,” all calling for a “new vision,” to “rethink the future of the world,” and establish “a renewed sense of shared responsibility for our world.”

Economist ‘Milton Friedman’ was also targeted by the Pope:

Pope Francis contends that supply-side economics is mistaken and Friedman and Hayek are false prophets. The pope worries that too many “people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

The pope insists “the marketplace, by itself, cannot resolve every problem.”

For the record, Rush Limbaugh pegged this guy way back in 2013.

 

I have recently read some Augusto del Noce, the Italian philosopher of the last century. He was an orthodox Catholic who strongly opposed Modernism and Progressivism. He made what I thought a very strong case that the political ideology of Western Europe, which has since contaminated the United States and the rest of the Western World, is a type of corruption of Communism (the errors of Russia, corrupted even more?) and in its absolute dismissal of religiosity represents a far greater threat to the Faith than militantly atheistic Communism. As evil and brutal as is the regime of President Xi, it at least pays Catholicism the respect of actively suppressing and persecuting it. The Western elites seek to eliminate all religion by encouraging a mode of thinking that reduces religion to nothing more than another 'drug', a completely subjective choice with nothing in it of substance for our progressive materialists. It intends for religion of all kinds to become utterly irrelevant, to be completely cancelled. The rising levels of apostasy and 'nones' perhaps demonstrate the prophetic nature of Del Noce's analysis. Del Noce also described progressive 'Catholicism' as being the equivalent mode of thinking within the Church. This, to me, makes progressivism appear very like what Pope Pius X, I think it was, described as the synthesis of all heresies.

Edit: Padraig just posted his above post, just as I posted this. It certainly seems to be in line with what Del Noce was predicting. This new type of communism would appear to be a corruption of the original Marxist-Leninism, with universal well-being as the new, immanent god to be worshipped by all.

 

Why does he involve himself in economics when he has such a limited and narrow ideological understanding of it?

 

Yes we must

Because that is what he was placed there for.