What happens if the pope is a heretic?

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  1. HeavenlyHosts

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    Not every message that comes down the pike is really ftom Heaven you know.
     
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    I just looked up and found that the website From Rome, that Brother Bugnolo, has run these messages. I consider that a spurious site. But as far as the origin, or the ruling of the Local Ordinary, I do not know yet.
     
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    Brother Bugnolo a big uh-oh I think.:(
     
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    Totally agree
     
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    He has also commented on Fatima. Does that association therefore mean Fatima must be false?

    There’s a bit of a failure of logic and reason going on here…
     
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    Indeed. Which is a better evaluation of their authenticity than some spurious “association” with some website.
     
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    Lol

    The truth is we can't all agree with you, Brian. It doesn 't work that way in life. But you certainly have every right to your opinion, as do we, without being gaslighted.
     
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    I deleted the post with the link to the "official website". Further searching on-line, I came across an article by a priest who linked the messages, in a favourable way, to MDM. Major warning sign for me.....that's not a judgement on my part of the messages, one way or another. Just trying to be prudent...
     
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    Thank you. It does really echo the MDM messages.
     
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    I hope all is well with you and your loved ones, Fatima.

    The intricacies of the web of deception within the Church are beyond my pay grade. The days leading up to the Climax grow short! But it's reality is beyond doubt! To stay within the Bosom of Holy Church and yet remain unscathed is a mystery in itself!:coffee:

    May our gracious Lady wrap us in her Mantle of maternal love and protection.
     
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    You said it!
     
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    I might be going back to watching cat rescue videos full time now:ROFLMAO:(y):):)
     
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    :rolleyes::LOL::LOL::LOL:
     
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    There is a very good article about all this in 'Crisis Magazine', at the moment:

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2022/what-does-it-mean-to-resist-the-pope-guest-timothy-flanders

    'Timothy Flanders:


    This is from theologian John Joy. The title of this article is “Submission to the Non-Infallible Papal Magisterium is Conditional.” What he does in this article is he mentions Lumen gentium 25, and he discusses what this is. Also, in another article, you can just search on his name. He has a number of other articles. Another one that’s very important is “The Pope is Not the Church and the Church is Not the Pope.” He points out how the profession of faith actually makes a distinction between submission to the Church as such, and then submitting with religious submission of mind and will to the pope and bishops. There’s actually a distinction between these two things.


    This is where I would get further into distinction between the virtue of faith and the virtue of piety. It’s an easy thing to understand, I think, if we talk about the Fourth Commandment, “Honor thy father and thy mother.” It means that the Catechism of the Council of Trent, for example, says, “Obey your father and mother in all things not contrary to the Catholic faith.” Obviously, a child needs to obey his father and mother and do everything they say. Take out the trash and clean the dishes, et cetera, et cetera. But if they say, “You can’t go to mass on Sunday,” that’s where we would need to resist the legitimate authority of our parents.


    In the same way, we would give religious submission of mind and will, which we would obey the pope in all things. But if Pope Julius II said, “Go invade the Kingdom of Naples,” we would say, “No, Holy Father, that’s an unjust war. We can’t invade the Kingdom of Naples for your self-aggrandizement. That’s unjust.” Something like that sort of thing. Submission of mind and will is the same sort of submission we would really give to our mother and father. I think it’s an analogous way that we can easily understand.'


     
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    :ROFLMAO:
    I'm with you!
     
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    Heading up the CDF all those years under Pope John Paul II, I believe Benedict came to realize the depth of corruption and satanic influence within the Body of Christ. Otherwise, why would he have publicly mentioned the wolves when he appeared on the balcony on the day of his election? Even a few days later, Benedict again stated:

    “Pray for me, that I may learn to love His flock more and more – in other words, you, the holy Church, each one of you and all of you together. Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.”

    Not every man has the constitution of a Pius X. In the end, I believe his decision to remain "a pope emeritus in prayer" broadcast to the enemies that he would wage battle against them on a different level.

    Let us pray more than talk, for the climax nears. I believe the extension of the Synod for one more year is tied into the fact that the timetable of the enemy has been thwarted by the Prayer of the Saints within.

    It is the Lord's Timetable that is unchangable! Let us continue to wage war in these troubled times.

    Everything is in the hands of the Two Hearts. May we never take our eyes off of them and our own hearts will remain in peace as the world crumbles.
     
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    well worth the time to read
     
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    I even watch the Russian ones.:ROFLMAO:
     
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    Russian, Korean, Japanese, lol My husband loves them too ~Here's our lil one in all her fluffy-ness
     

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