I'd questioned MM a bit... BRIEF: Who said he'd ran across both spirits during exorcisms and they're different from one another and that (according to him) Lucifer is, 'the chief cook and bottle washer'.... That caught my attention - and I didn't go on with him about that..
If he's in agreement with MM, that's interesting.. If he's in disagreement w/MM, that's interesting too. Luciferians look to Lucifer and not Satan..
Luke 10:18 The Lord says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven.” That’s what happened to Lucifer. I’m no expert but I think they are one and the same.
I heard MM distinguish between the two beings before on Art Bell I believe. I would hold they are identical and the distinction is two aspects of the one fallen angelic creature. If not, I would say MM is off base on this, but I am open to correction.
... and to a third of the angels. The fact remains that there's a lot that is not known about the angelic spirits yet it's certainly not a coincidence that they reached the same conclusion from their decades of work and knowledge as exorcists.
FYI... I coined "MM" decades ago. During a Longish conversation... I asked questions.. MM answered. To keep this short .. MM's Lips to my Ears .... re: Satan and Lucifer? Paraphrased .. They are two different spirits.. Between the two? (Lucifer) "he's the chief cook and bottle washer" What makes this much more interesting is the claim that Amorth's (the exorcist) mentioning -{as has MM (also an exorcist)}- that they are two different spirits.. What ups the ante is whether or not Amorth and MM were aligned in that opinion or not.. Either way has interesting ramifications.. What really ups the ante ... is that in the opinion of some, Lucifer is not 'the chief cook and bottle washer' - no matter what Luciferians truly believe.. In other words, no matter what or whom they think they're following, It is Satan the devil . the dragon.. they follow.. Upon Jesus' Return, All who've remained active cocksure enemies of God/Jesus - are in for the biggest comeuppance in all history.
I just had a couple beers sitting around the camp fire with a good friend of Fr. Ripperger, who is Father’s webmaster and videographer. He’s going to ask Fr. Ripperger about this, but he think Father believes they are the same. Our own consensus sitting around the campfire seems to indicate that Scripture points to Lucifer and Satan being one and the same. Fr. Hugh is a superb Norbertine priest from St. Michael’s Norbertine abbey in Silverado CA and answers the question succinctly here: https://www.catholic.com/qa/isnt-lucifer-not-satan Fr. Hugh Barbour, O. Praem. Isn’t Lucifer not Satan? Question: Isn’t Lucifer not Satan? Answer: They are the same. However, the name “Satan” is used exclusively of the evil one. It means “accuser” and refers to his constant accusation of the brethren before God. The name “Lucifer” means “light-bearer” or “morning star” and so is used also of Our Lord, as in the Easter Vigil’s Easter Chant, or in the blessing of holy water late, and is even the name of a saint in the Martyrology, St. Lucifer of Caligliari. So you could name your son Lucifer, and it would be a saint’s name! (I wouldn’t advise this, however, since we want the child to have a happy childhood!) The idea they are not the same seems to have arisen out of esoteric, occult and Luciferian sources, not Catholicism, so I think the idea can be safely discarded. I can find no credible sources for the idea they represent two distinct beings among orthodox traditional Catholic sources.
I may be wrong (in which case please correct me) but here's what I think: Lucifer is the being as created by God, it became Satan (the adversary/divider) after its fall. I think of Satan as something more like a "title", even though it still refers to Lucifer. However in a sense, any demon can be referred to as Satan, because they share the same will. Sometimes we hear about someone doing something extremely evil and say: "Than man is the devil". So to a certain extent, men may also be referred to as Satan when they share its will or act in its name. Christ Himself did it in Mark 8:33 when he told the apostles that He was going to die and Peter tried to stop him: "Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men." Peter meant well, but in that moment he was opposing Jesus’ mission and tempting Him away from it, unknowingly taking the role of Satan. So he was referred to as Satan by Jesus. It is somewhat similar to how we can use the word God to talk about each distinct person of the Holy Trinity: If you say: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" you use the word God to talk about God the Father. When you say: "God spoke to the prophets" you may be talking about the Holy Ghost. When we say "God died on the cross for our sins" we are talking talk about Christ (Obviously neither God the Father nor the Holy Ghost died) We can use the same word, God, to talk about three different persons of the Holy Trinity, because they all share the same substance (Divine nature). In a similar way I think that we can use the word Satan to talk about Lucifer, but also to talk about different beings or things that either share or are a result of its will (even though the word does not refers to a substance).
Agreed... When Malachi Martin had told me this, based upon my own Faith-filled Understanding of Jesus via His Gospel/NT - my spidey senses went up... I never believed it/him. My contacts over some years with the activities and 'preachings' of (some) groups of Jesuits - had me clearly Knowing that they are/were (invincibly ignorant AND/OR full-well Knowing) active minions of Satan/AntiChrist.
Yes... Since I'd said what I had, I've been anticipating being questioned from any who use MM as backup on 3rd Secret and prophetic issues... I would too, hadn't I had direct contact w/him.. On Catholic Forums going back decades ago, I used to be a major proponent of Malachi Martin.. very enamored and impressed by his 'inside' knowledges, intellect and gift of writing and talking -> of many things Vatican / Catholic Church.. from having read 8 of his books, and hearing him on Art Bell, Etc.. I Received notice on this and I was approached by some who were close to him to do some v. interesting work for him in Manhattan at Kakia Livanos' apt on the upper east side.. We had conversations when I was at that apt. And also telephone conversations. .. When we'd gotten into Satan vs Lucifer (and other things), all of that was recorded. I've his funeral card somewhere. I could and might go on about some things that we'd discussed, and what was said to me when I simply listened.. Q) Have any here ever heard MM speak of Roswell? I haven't always, however, I've since learned that when it comes to very important matters, for me? Scriptures First - Followed by Magisterium aka GOD/God's Word, JESUS/God's HOLY SPIRIT !
WE are ALL fallible, and I firmly believe that Malachi Martin would readily acknowledge that, without hesitation. Has he said things that would cause Catholics to scratch their heads in a confused manner? Sure, but I think the overriding issue should center around whether there are legitimate questions about his sincerity and integrity based on anything he has allegedly said or reportedly done publicly or privately.
