Warnings From Beyond [Hell] to the Contemporary Church

Can a priest that is excommunicated or laicaized as would have been the case of Luther and (hopefully McCarrick, today) still retain their Catholic clerical state and/or their ordination rights?
I must look this up.

 

I don’t think they retain their clerical state or their ordination rights. But I am glad you are looking it up.

 

I think they become “laity.”

 

Yes that is true HH.
But from what I've read, it seems that even if a priest or Bishop is excommunicated or laicised, the validity or invalidity of the sacrament he celebrates differs from sacrament to sacrament. The sacraments he can still validly celebrate are the celebration of the Eucharist, Baptism and Anointing of the sick. The sacraments he can not validly celebrate are confession, confirmation and Marriage.

Most unfortunately what seems to be the case, the excommunicated priest is just prohibited from celebrating the Eucharist, but if he does this anyway, the sacrament is still valid but not licit.

This opens up a whole can of worms in my book. Just imagine a very wicked priest (who unbeknown to his congregation is a satanist or freemason), and he is so wicked, that when he celebrates the Eucharist, he deliberately withholds the intention of consecrating the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ, to deprive the faithful of Holy Communion. However, once he is excommunicated or laicised and he joins his satanist friends and preforms a black mass, he may then, deliberately intend the consecration so as to defile Our Lord! Lord Have Mercy.

This is absolutely horrendous and hopefully God would strike him dead before he had the chance to do this!

For more information .... https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2022/0...d-priest-administer-valid-sacraments-part-ii/

 

In your link, at the end of the article, it says that the Church’s laws are designed to protect the faithful. I’ll take that!

 

Yes this gave me comfort too, however, it doesn't sit well with the above plausible scenario!

Which makes me believe, that if a priest who properly celebrates the Eucharist even with doubts which produce dubious intensions regarding the real presence, but believes the fundamental truths of the catholic faith, he then confers the sacraments validly whether in good standing or excommunicated; as he is protected by God in His holy orders. This would apply to priests that have left the priesthood due to falling in love with a women, which would mean that their celebrating the sacrament is illicit but valid.

However, a priest who is opposed to God, who is a hidden schismatic, a hidden heretic, a hidden follower of satan, I believe, this priest is able to confer the sacraments validly only while within the confines of the Holy mother church, and this is due to the fact that Jesus is protecting His faithful!

Once this so called priest, is excommunicated or liaised , he is unable to confer any sacrament (no matter what the sacrament) and God Himself would see to this.
Additionally, the only recourse to such a man would be public confession! IMHO

 

If the obedience goes against the Church teaching and compromises your soul's salvation, you can't (or shouldn't) simply obey. It's like it was said, once a priest/bishop/cardinal does that, they can't claim obedience by that point. Because it puts the command of God against the command of man, and God is very explicit about what should be followed and obeyed.

The Holy Spirit may guide, but the people don't necessarily follow the Holy Spirit.

You shall know them by their fruits, and the fruits of the Council are here for everyone to see. What happened in that Council also isn't a secret. Is it disturbing? Yes. It's disturbing that the smoke of Satan has entered the Church, and all that it encompasses.

It's not the first time that God or the Blessed Virgin provided messages through exorcisms.

Again, it seems many people here are reading the excerpts as if it's a Q&A session, but it's not. The exorcists were as surprised as anyone when they learned that the demons were being compelled by Heaven to make these revelations. They didn't command the demon to reveal things for their own curiosity, they commanded the demons to convey the message that Heaven wants to, nothing more. The transcript was edited to ommit repetitions and constant aspects of the battle, but this is made evident even in its published form.

This is the 1970s. The blessed souls that received revelations from the Blessed Virgin were silenced or discredited, they were ignored by the world. Look, for example, what happened with the Sister Lucia and the Third Secret of Fatima. Look what happened with Garabandal.

During these exorcisms, it's established that it is sad that these things had to be revealed during exorcisms. But they were, in part, because of what happened with the other warnings.

Now, like I said, nobody has to believe in any of this. Nobody has to believe in any Marian apparition. Nobody has to believe in any catholic prophecy or revelation. It's not mandatory. But there's no question that what was revealed in these exorcisms corroborate Church teaching and the other Marian messages and warnings. It's clear that the demons are being coherced to make these revelations against their will. And the impact of these revelations coming from the mouth of the enemy inherently has a different impact in certain sceptics (and believers) than it would have any other way.

And to support this book's transcript, specially one of the excerpts I posted regarding the Rosary:

... here's the audio of part of an exorcism done in Italy back in 2019, where the exact same thing is said:

WARNING: MUTE THE VIDEO IF YOU'RE SENSIBLE TO THIS STUFF



Now why would a Catholic not believe in this information? How is this thread against the purpose of this forum?

 

Good advice.

 

"The Bacon Priest" ftom WWII fame --he founded Aid to the Church in Need--and I can't think of his name--said in the 1970's that Christ was leaving the altars because of the novelties and irregularities. That sure gave me pause.
Just looked it up. FR. Werenfried Von Straatan.

 

Exactly. Many priests have said that already. Fr. Malachi Martin in one of his radio interviews gave a great explanation about it all. The Catholic Church (the institution, not the mystical body) chose to deviate from the teachings and dogmas it has always held. From the fountain of grace. God in turn withdrew grace. The Church, the faithful, the world, are not getting as many graces as it used to. That's the price we are paying for what the Church chose to do. The consequences are in plain sight:

"So, if you want an overview of what’s happened, take it like this: How come, or take an image: I think it was in 1966, suddenly all electric power disappeared from the North-East corner of the United States. The reservoir filled with “juice”, as we say in the United States, suddenly was emptied. Nobody has as yet explained how it all disappeared like that. Similarly, if you look at the Church, between 1965 and 1975, suddenly Catholicity disappeared. Suddenly, priests left, nuns left. Suddenly, bizarre ceremonies took place. Suddenly, every practice, like devotion of the Sacred Heart, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, confraternities, sodalities, sending to the [?] work, pilgrimages, benedictions of the Blessed Sacrament, the habit of visiting the Blessed Sacrament, children’s first Holy Communion, marriage, abortion, contraception, homosexuality, everything was turned upside down, suddenly. The reservoir of Catholicism suddenly – shuu – was sucked out, disappeared. And the only theological way you can look at that – theology, not historical in the secular sense – is that God withdrew Grace. God withdrew Grace, sanctifying Grace, without which you can’t be Catholic." - Fr. Malachi Martin

 

Good advice.

 

Malachi Martin is fallible. Put not your trust in princes. God has never left His Church. May we all who seek Him, find Him there.
Edit: In Jesus' name, I pray.

 

https://relevantradio.com/2018/08/the-holiness-of-the-priest-doesnt-affect-the-validity-of-the-mass/

The holiness of the priest doesn’t affect the validity of the Mass

We have to be in grace to receive Communion. What about the priest who is giving us the Eucharist?” asked Gill. In the wake of news about scandals in the church, this question might be one that some of the faithful are wondering. If a priest is in a state of mortal sin, does his celebration of the sacraments continue to be valid?

“It’s still valid because if a bad priest says a Mass, it’s still a good Mass; because it’s Christ who works the sacrament. If that priest does and intends what the Church does and intends, then it is valid,” explained Father Richard Simon, host of Father Simon SaysTM on Relevant Radio®.

That is not to say that a priest should say Mass in a state of mortal sin. “However, it is not licit. In other words, the priest is committing a sacrilege and he should get to Confession as soon as possible if he thinks he’s in a state of mortal sin! But you needn’t worry that is somehow invalidates your Communion.”


Though the focus lately has been on some members of the clergy that have committed horrible abuses, we mustn’t forget that so many of our priests have been faithful leaders. It’s important that we continuously pray for our priests, that they may be holy examples of virtuous lives and are covered with the graces needed to lead us toward Christ in our journey of faith.

Lord, bless our priests. Help them to imitate your love, mercy, and holiness and bring many souls closer to you.

 

Yes. Pray for our priests. Their vocation is more difficult than ever.

 

I think the ostensory has the shape of a sun precisely to teach the presence of Christ (in the tabernacles) in each city; every day, in a fundamental way for the mark of the "catholicity" of the Church; even though we are living in a moment similar to that of the Arian heresy.

 

Agree
My pastor has Confessions every Monday evening and has Adoration during those hours. It is so powerful to receive absolution from the priest who is in persona Christi in the Confessional and then kneel in the Church before Christ in the monstrance to perform one’s penance.

 

Who said God has left His Church?

Bolded for emphasis.

 

You did. Not in so many words. But overall. But I was not quoting your posts. I was making an observation apart from your posts. I do that sometimes.

 

I did not say that. Even in excerpts I cited, the complete opposite is said:

"The Catholic Church is in a grave situation. Without intervention by Those up there (he points upward) it would not be possible for it to be saved. But these words must be fulfilled: “I am with you all days, even to the end of the world.” There will be a total purification, a terrible purification, which we are not very keen about at all, you understand."

 

Well, there are certainly conflicting messages in this thread started by you. I am glad to see that you do not really believe all that was said about grace being sucked out of the Church. "I am with you all days, even to the end of the world." And no one besides God is qualified to judge how much grace is or isn't present now. It's up to us to avail ourselves of as much grace as possible right now for ourselves and others, who are lost.
So I am out of this thread. Hopefully for good.