The Good Lord can even teach elephants to fly! It might actually be easier than getting PF to cooperate
I loved listing to Taylor, he sums it up so well , what a fine mind. He asks a very simple question I have always struggled with. Our Lady herself asked for the Consecration done in a specific way. Why oh why has no Pope ever done what Our Lady asked? Why oh why oh why? It reminds me of when I was a little child and there were ten kids in the house yet I was always the one who ran the messages to the shops. I asked my mother why she always asked me and never them. She looked at me sadly and said, 'Because, Padraig, you are the only one who always does what I ask'. Our Lady asked this very simple thing. It would not have killed them. Yet they never, ever did it. Why oh why oh why? All those Popes. Not one of them.
But sor Lucy of Fatima said that the Consecration of John Paul II was well done. And after that, a few years later, the URSS disappeared. A period of peace given to humanity. Is it ending now? Opinions, please
Sr. Lucy simply stated that JPII’s consecration was “accepted by heaven.” She never claimed it fulfilled the demands of Our Lady of Fatima, that RUSSIA be consecrated by name by the pope and all bishops of the world with him. JPII’s consecration DID have proven, salutary affects, and probably averted a world war at the time, and eventually lead to the breakup of the USSR. But it demonstrably did NOT bring the promised era of peace; the period following JPII’s consecration saw neither the hoped for global piece NOR the total conversion of Russia. And the collapse of the morals of the world, secular humanism and atheism only accelerated since then. The global rapid decline was not abated. It only accelerated. Finally, JPII’s consecration could NOT have fulfilled Our Lady of Fatima’s request; if it had, Russia would not be invading Ukraine right now.
Yes, there's no doubt that the Papal and Collegial Consecration of Russia by name requested by Our Lady of Fatima hasn't taken place yet. The current conflict in Russia - the opposite of the Peace Promised by God and Our Mother in Fatima - is Irrefutable Proof of it. If only one good thing comes from the terrible and tragic crisis, let it be at least that we take Our Lady's Word seriously, do Prayer and Penance, and ask the Pope and the Bishops to Consecrate Russia for World Peace. From: https://onepeterfive.com/catholic-bishops-ukraine-consecration-russia/ Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Call for Consecration of Russia “as requested” by “Fatima” Yesterday, March 1st, a day when Eastern Catholics had already begun fasting for Lent, His Beatitude, Patriarch Sviatoslav Shevchuk, head of the Ukrainian Catholic Church (successor to the great and holy confessors and Servants of God, Andrey Sheptytsky and Josyf Slipyj) joined with the Holy Father in exhorting all Catholics to fast and pray today for peace in Ukraine. Fearlessly preaching the Gospel of His Majesty, Jesus Christ, His Beatitude followed his holy predecessors in calling for his flock to love their enemies – the invading Russians. Yet he prayed for the Ukrainian soldiers, celebrating the recent repelling from Berdyansk of the attackers in this “crooked and unjust war.” We saw the destruction of schools, kindergartens, cinemas, museums, and at sunrise near Kyiv, a rocket struck the maternity ward of a hospital. We ask ourselves ‘Why?’ Women and unborn children. Why are they the innocent victims of this war? But we are praying. We are standing. Together, we are a nation that builds and defends peace in Ukraine and throughout the world with the price of our own blood.[1] Our Catholic brethren in Ukraine, led by such men of God as His Beatitude and occupying this historic Catholic See of Kyivan Rus, have indeed paid for peace with their blood, in imitation of Our Lord and God and Savior, for they themselves have suffered for centuries to live and die in communion with the Holy See of Ancient Rome. This holy suffering for peace and unity with the Mystical Body of Christ found greater glory in the twentieth century, when untold hundreds and thousands of eastern rite faithful chose death in communion with Rome over joining the Pseudo-Orthodox Soviet Church (like the Chinese Communists have today in their false “Patriotic Church”). These untold faithful won the crown of victory for peace, even while untold hundreds and thousands of Eastern Orthodox – our separated brethren – also shed their blood valiantly against the wicked Soviet Regime. The “Holy New Martyrs of Russia” are already canonized among the Orthodox, putting us to shame in their devotion to their saints: (Thankfully Robert Royal has begun to remedy this shameful lack of Catholic devotion to our 20th century saints!). Now President Putin, whom the Russian Catholic calls a “ruthless, Communist, bloody, dictator,” has invaded the Ukraine, turning the eyes of the world away from the Canadian Uprising (which had been rapidly spreading worldwide) to an area of the world far away from the “North Atlantic.” But thank God that His Beatitude’s message of peace is already being done today! In the face of nationalistic fervor and fratricidal bloodshed, the good Patriarch said “Love your enemies.” The Consecration Controversy Since the beginning of the war many Traditionalists have begun to call again for the Consecration of Russia as commanded by Our Lady of Fatima in 1917 when the imminent Soviet Revolution was quickly threatening the Russian people and the world. Among other notable names, this assertion about the Consecration has been spread in the Anglophone world by the late Fr. Nicholas Gruner of the Fatima Center (rest in peace). This is in contrast to the Holy See, which has maintained since 2000 that the Consecration of 1984 fulfilled Fatima. A few days before His Beatitude’s message on Latin “Fat Tuesday” yesterday, Fatima scholar Mr. Kevin Symonds spoke to Michael Lofton on Reason and Theology and criticized the view that the consecration of Russia did not take place as requested by Our Lady. He cited Sr. Lucia’s own words in her book Como vejo a mensagem, stating the requested consecration was done on March 25, 1984.[2] Symonds stated that John Paul II had briefly remained silent in the 1984 Consecration, mentioning Russia “in his heart.” Moreover, again citing Sr. Lucia’s words, Symonds stressed that she saw the 1984 Consecration as averting a nuclear war, and thus the “time of peace” as prophesied was begun when Soviet Communism fell in Russia. At the time of this writing, I have not seen any other Fatima scholars give comment about this controversy. The Conversion of Russia Patriarch Sviatoslav ended his message yesterday with this urgent appeal: I sincerely ask you: let us pray not only for peace in Ukraine, but let us pray for our enemies, for their conversion, for the conversion of Russia as Our Lady of Fatima requested of us.[3] Meanwhile, on Monday the National Catholic Register had already published a commentary in which Msgr. Stuart Swetland wrote “If our commitment [in the United States] to defend our NATO allies and defer further aggression is to be credible, serious consideration should be given to reinstituting the draft.” Now on Ash Wednesday, the day the Holy Father appealed to Catholics for prayer and fasting, the Media Center of the Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops in Ukraine has published a short appeal of “the Episcopal Conference of Ukraine” to the Holy Father. As translated by LifeSite and reported by Mr. Michael Haynes, the Bishops wrote to Pope Francis: Holy Father! In these hours of immeasurable pain and terrible ordeal for our people, we, the bishops of the Episcopal Conference of Ukraine, are spokesmen for the unceasing and heartfelt prayer, supported by our priests and consecrated persons, which comes to us from all Christian people that Your Holiness will consecrate our Motherland and Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Responding to this prayer, we humbly ask Your Holiness to publicly perform the act of consecration to the Sacred Immaculate Heart of Mary of Ukraine and Russia, as requested by the Blessed Virgin in Fatima. May the Mother of God, Queen of Peace, accept our prayer: Regina pacis, ora pro nobis! This important appeal is seen as vindication by many Traditionalists who advocate the view of Fr. Gruner on the Consecration. It seems to indicate that the Ukrainian Bishops agree with this thesis. I once heard of Catholic brother who believed in the 1984 Consecration suggest a compromise: why not Consecrate Russia anyway? Won’t it bring good either way? This thought led me to say, a few days before this Ash Wednesday news, that we apply Pascal’s wager to the debate for the sake of the Russian and Ukrainian people: The Consecration of Russia is a win-win. If the Trads are right, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If the Trads are wrong, innumerable graces are merited for Russia and her people…for their conversion and peace. Bl. Leonid Feodorov, pray for us! However, the diplomacy of international geopolitics will likely lead any such abstract logic to make the Holy See think twice and thrice about such an action, just as Ven. Pius XII hesitated during a much worse war than this one. One thing everyone can agree on, devotion to the icon of Our Lady of Fatima (written by an Orthodox iconographer) must be spread far and wide in this time: We also ask for donations for the Russian Catholics in St. Petersburg for the shrine of this icon: Finally, OnePeterFive contributing editor Charles Coulombe appeals to Catholics and Orthodox to beseech their respective holy Emperors on behalf of peace: We remember that Our Lady came at Fatima at a time when Liberalism was nearly complete in destroying the last vestiges of the lay order in Christendom, in the person of Bl. Karl of Austria. With this it seems fitting (although the circumstances are more than tragic!) to announce that months ago, the editorial board at OnePeterFive chose three patrons for our online journal: Our Lady of Fatima, Bl. Karl, and another which we will announce in due time. This year we will promote the icon of Our Lady of Fatima and devotion to our holy Emperor in particular, begging God to send peace to Ukraine and Russia, and conversion to all hearts in this terror of war. We pray for the souls of those who died in battle, those men, women and children now dead who were innocent victims, and the innumerable widows and orphans created by this new conflict. May all Christians – Catholic and Orthodox – fast and pray this Lent for peace and conversion of evil men to Christ Our Lord and King. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us! Bl. Karl of Austria, pray for us!"
The 'Era of Peace' has never happened. Ask the Syrians, the Israelis, the Iraquis, the Afghans etc. There have been almost continuous conflicts since 1984. When the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart arrives, we will know.
Sorry , but I dont understand. If heaven accepted it, it is valid. I think so. Our lady promised a period of peace if the Consecration was made. But a period does not mean forever, of course. What I suspect is that the promised period of peace is coming to an end. Or in other words: the time of Mercy is running out. It is possible that the time of Justice will begin soon. Sister Agnes of Akita felt that the times were upon us when the Covid pandemic began. After a hard pandemic, a war. Sorry for my english. I am spanish .
I agree with SteveD. We never had a promised era of peace, there has always been conflict/war in some parts of the world. Briank also mentioned that the morals of the world, secular humanism and atheism only accelerated since then. The global rapid decline was not abated. It only accelerated. I believe something will happen soon!! Keep an eye on your Airports, maybe Conchita will be returning to Garabandal to deliver her message soon!
I continue to be baffled by this. Even if the consecration was accepted by Heaven, why has there always been so much opposition and controversy about a reconsecration considering the state of the world? Why would this be a problem? Seems to me Heaven would welcome it with open arms. If Pope Francis agrees to do the consecration, it could also be a spiritual turning point for him, and his papacy.
The Consecration was done and accepted but it was not done according to Marys specifications. It was not done in union with all the Bishops and Russia was not mentioned.
