Wars and rumors of wars on the TLM and Summorum Pontificum”?

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  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There are. I remember watching them when I was young. It's not brain surgery.

    It's good for lay people to watch them too.
     
  2. Sam

    Sam Powers




    There are. Here's one, I'm no expert so don't know how good it is.

     
  3. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    We have an entire TLM on dvd as well.
     
  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Years and years ago they used to do DVD's for training. I know of many priests who learnt from scratch just by watching.

    Of course knowing the Latin Language is important.

    Pope St Pius X wrote how important it is for lay people to actively follow and understand the Mass. Not just to sit their like lemons.
     
  5. Sam

    Sam Powers


    I remember Fr. Heilman posting videos that he used to learn the TLM. Padre Pio also said how important it was to pay attention and follow the Mass actively.
     
  6. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Also don't forget the many boys serving at the altar who are watching Father very carefully so they don't miss their cues. My 8 year old zealously serves every Mass he possibly can and is carefully studying to be an acolyte. Many of these boys will have an excellent understanding of how the priest offers Mass, and, God-willing, a good number will be priests themselves one day.

    The TLM will outlive the aging prelates currently at the head of the Church.
     
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I admire young boys who cans serve as altar boys. In our Church they go away to Italy every summer to a little camp school where they all learn together as a group.

    I also notice the Traditional Nuns are running summer camps for boys and girls, which is wonderful.

    What must it be like for a young person growing up as a devout well taught Catholic family? I just can't imagine.

    One of the first thing that the Cure of Ars did as Pastor was to set up Catechism classes for his Parish Children. Adults from all over Francs used to stand at the back of the class to listen to St John Vianney, enthralled, many of them in tears. Many of these people were highly educated Professionals who were listening to a semi literate rural priest. Yet they loved it.

    Truth has its own beauty.

    Have you ever listened to the any of the Sermons of the cure of Ars? I have. I must confess some of them really frightened me a little.

    The Holy God expects His children to be very pure and good. His sermons force one to search one's soul.

     
  8. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    Your dream sounds a bit like the visions Anna Katharina Emmerich had about two Popes, one a prisoner in the Vatican, and the other one a false leader who ushers in the "afterchurch" (as she called it), a fake version of the Holy Catholic Church with a Mass that was "short and at the end the Gospel of St. John was no longer read".
     
  9. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    Yes, the TLM will always live because it is the true sacrifice of the altar and cannot be validly abrogated. This is our hope. We may have to go underground for some time but the Holy Mass will live.
    Today we prayed a Rosary in public at 6.30 pm in our town's central square.
    https://public-rosary.org/
     
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  10. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    My son is learning about the Cure of Ars right now in history. Yes, I read much from his sermons when I was 9-12 years old. He was one of my mother's favorite saints.
     
  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    My favourite description of him came from a Protestant Minister who travelled from England to see him. He was asked what he thought and answered,

    'I have seen God in a man!'


    How beautiful.:)
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There is a lovely film on utube about St John. It is in French with English sub titles. It is very,very old indeed but I think that makes it all the better because it is more Orthodox.

     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    People compare St John to St Padre and there is a lot of truth in this. They were both very simply virtually uneducated country folk. They both were huge miracle workers with a huge range of Charisms. Both very ,very humble and simple souls but lions when it came to truth telling. They both got attacked from their own clerical brothers and secular authorities. They were both so very, very Catholic in a Traditional sense in their Devotional Spirituality.

    But I think one thing about St John that sets him apart from Padre Pio. Padre Pio was a member of a religious community and Order. St John was a Diocesan priest. So when the devil attacked Padre Pio was in the shelter of his religious family. That must have been quite some comfort.

    But the Cure of Ars was up there in his Parochial House, totally on his own, when the devil came calling at night time. That took courage.
     
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  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It is interesting to see how God's finger pointed to these Holy Priests and revealed to Catholic Faithful that they were saints and folks should start going to them in Confession, in the Needs, for Healing and Counsel.

    I was at the tomb a few days ago of St Fr Charles of Mount Argos. Fr Charles was unknown to anyone at all. But one day he was sent to a Mission to give a Retreat in a far off country Parish. When he got off the train there was a big crowd of the locals waiting on the train platform to greet him. To this day no one knows what got into their heads to do this. But from that day onwards huge crowds from all over Ireland flocked to his confession box.

    In the case of St John Vianney, the way he became famous was this. He was a very, very hard worker and priests from surrounding Parishs asked him to come help at Confessions and retreats..and so word of him spread.

    In the case of Padre Pio he of course became famous because of the Stigmata.

    In the case of Fr John Sullivan is was because of his intense penitential life.

    But in all cases God's finger came down from heaven and pointed to them all, they never pointed to themselves.



     
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  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    In the case of Fulton Sheen and Pius X I would say it was their sermons that singled them both out. Their wonderful, wonderful sermons.
     
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  16. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Yes Fulton Sheen worked so hard in preparation for his sermons that he could preach without notes.

    He was one of the great scholars of the Church.
     
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  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    He was naturally brilliant, like Pope St Pius X. If you compare the lives of these two saints can see a lot of things in common.

    For instance when they were both ordained they were sent by their Bishops to a very lowly Parish as a test to see if they would be proud and rebel. Neither did, both worked very hard and eventually were moved onwards and upwards because of their sermons.

    Both rose high in the Church.
     
  18. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    Your son seems to attend a very good school!
     
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  19. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    He is home schooled. ;)
     
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  20. Sam

    Sam Powers



    Very good teachers then!;)
     
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