The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    I expect that valid matter is the next brick to be dislodged. Leaving what qualifies as valid matter to be determined by regional synods swings wide open the door to regional changes in the words of consecration. If removing the Eucharist is the ultimate goal, valid matter would be the next step followed by or possibly combined with a corruption of priestly ordination. Once those two hurdles are crossed, changing the words of consecration won't raise an eyebrow.
     
  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I believe this is , 'The Abomination of Desolation', spoken of in the Book of Daniel and in Matthew.. The equivalent of the Desecration of the Holy of Holies in the Old Testament.

    This is what the present Vatican is taking a shot for.

    Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand,—Matthew 24:15

     
  3. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    I don't know. Maybe Pope Francis is right about everything. Maybe God does will a plurality of religions and a plurality of sexes. Maybe Jesus is just the privileged way and not the only way to Heaven. Maybe Hell is empty except for members of the Italian Mafia and rigid Catholics. Maybe it's OK for everyone to receive Communion whether they believe it's the actual body and blood of Jesus, just a symbolic meal, or a magic potion. Maybe everything we were taught was wrong. Maybe the Holy Spirit did hand pick Pope Francis to change our fundamental beliefs.

    All I'm saying is that if I wanted to eliminate the source and summit of the Catholic Faith, I would remove what makes it possible: valid priesthood, valid matter and consecration. The priesthood is no longer set in stone. The question of valid matter was raised in the lead up to the Amazon Synod. Sure, people say that nothing was changed. The same people said that St. John Paul settled the question of women priests but now we have Bishops saying that women priests are an option. Was it an English Bishop who said recently that everything is on the table in this new Synodal process? Everything being on the table means that anything can be changed. And Pope Francis wants non-believers to have a say in the process. Much easier to eliminate the Eucharist by using whatever means will be more palatable in various parts of the world. Not a single, universal change imposed by Rome but permission granted for Synods to introduce optional changes. Any Bishops who object will be told "If you don't like it, don't do it", much the same as self-styled Pope Francis Catholics say if you don't like abortion, don't have an abortion.

    We can speculate but we can't change anything other than ourselves. Purple Flower has the best approach: prayer and fasting. It's God's Church. Only God can fix it now.
     
  4. AED

    AED Powers

    This is the scripture that sent a cold chill over me when pachamama was paraded onto the Vatican Gardens and publicly worshiped. And then everything fell apart and now its like a landslide. I never imagined such a thing --never. Even modernists wouldn't do such a thing it seemed. But perhaps modernists and idol worshipers are one in the same.
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Well I am very certain I do know.:D:D

    Pope Francis is not on my Christmas Card list.:D
     
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Dear Lord,

    Why am I even thinking about this?

    My poor blood pressure...

    up and up and up!:):)
     
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Well on the up side. Once all this was hidden.

    Now it's totally, totally out in the open for all to see.

    years ago, for instance I would never, ever imagined EWTN would have taken the wonderful stand it has. But it did. Bless them.

    At dark times like this we must count our blessings. Many ,many, many so wonderful Cardinals, Bishops, armies of good and Holy Priests, Legions of Saintly lay folk...all have taken their stand and spoken out.

    Bless them, bless them, bless them all :):):)

    Saints all around us, thousands and thousands and thousands of them.

    So wonderful. Such a delight.

     
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  8. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. It has been a great winnowing. A purification of monumental intensity. The sad truth is this--right now amongst the majority of Catholics--if God returned the Church to us as it was in all its beauty and truth. Its wonderful demands and claims. Its sacred liturgies. Most Catholics (not many young Catholics for if they go to Mass they are deeply committed. The young don't go for any other reason) would not like it. They would find it burdensome. All that talk of narrow gates and the 4 last things! Depressing! The need for sacrifice? No. No contraception? C'mon. Processions and Feast days? Well life is busy. "We don't need all that." I am so sorry to be so cynical but it really will take Divine intervention to restore faith on the earth. Our Blessed Mother's promise. But many dark passages before we get there i fear.
     
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  9. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. You are right. Very good advice. We have not been left orphaned.
     
  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I strongly sense victory in all this.

    we are very much down.

    but we very much not out.

    It was like this on Calvary

    The devil is just about to get his teeth kicked in!

    Alleulia!

    Christ has put all things under his feet...as St Paul tells us, even Satan who is His slave...

    1 Corinthians 15:27

    For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Chris
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

  12. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Yes, God will protect His Church. Our mistake is believing that He will do it our way and to our timeframe. But God's ways are not our ways. In the midst of all the darkness, God makes sure there is always at least a chink of light. This Matt Fradd interview with Suan Sonna brought me to the brink of tears. Suan was received into the Church last year. A brilliant young man - hard yo believe he is only 21 years old. He's discerning the priesthood with the Dominicans. Have you noticed that quantity is being replaced by the very best of quality?

    It's a very long interview, but worth every minute. If you don't have time to watch it all in one sitting, spread it out over a few days. I'm about to watch it for the second time. Please God, Suan will become a priest and many more like him will answer the call.
     
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  13. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I read today that Cardinal Kasper, of all people, has expressed grave concern at the direction that the German Synod is taking. He has complained that many things being said are not Catholic and that some statements deviate from Vatican II in terms of the sacramental nature of the Church and the Episcopate.

    I don't know what to make of it...
     
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  14. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    Yes I saw that too and it left me puzzled. If the changes are too much even for Card. Kasper :eek:
     
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  15. AED

    AED Powers

    So the Elite/NWO are moving too fast for even Cardinal Kasper. Hmmm. Maybe this will be his red pill. I sure hope and pray it is.
     
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  16. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    Anti-pope is being proven true.

    This local 'synodality' idea will fracture the Church into diocesan pieces. They all know it. Its their goal.
     
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  17. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    It's Cardinal Kasper - the same St. Gallen Mafia Cardinal who said that the German's wouldn't get all they wanted in what turned out to be Amoris Laetitia. If he says he's concerned it means that they have his full support and that he expects them to get everything they want followed by Vatican endorsement.
     
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  18. AED

    AED Powers

    :cry:
     
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    The Endgame. Gotterdamerung for the Church. Hmmm. Well lash yourselves to the mast mateys. We are in for dirty weather. The Barque of Peter is listing hard. I am sure Caiphas and his cohorts had a celebratory cup of wine when they witnessed the Crucifixion. A bit later the curtain to the Temple was torn in two and Graves opened around Jerusalem. Caiphas and the Roman's hadn't stamped out anything. They hadn't conquered anything. They thought they had triumphed over Jesus and His dangerous teachings and Person. But 3 days later....
    Its never over til its over said that great philosopher Yogi Berra. At least I think it was Yogi Berra. Or how about GK Chesterton: The Catholic Church has gone to the dogs at least 3 times in history and each time its the dog who died."
    What does it feel like when you realize you put all your money on the wrong guy? If this world is all there is then the St Gallen crowd and their minions are actually being smart I guess. By the world's standards.Or If they believe they will reign in hell for doing the devil's bidding (and some of them do believe this I should imagine) then scripture tells us they are in for a nasty shock. Psalm 2. Pertinent prayerful reading. Viva Christo Rey.
     
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  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Liberals are funny in what they want and don't want.

    A good instance of that was from the USA in Black lives Matter pushing , 'Defund the Police'. Which was of course totally crazy. Why was it crazy? Because,sadly we have a Fallen Human nature. Some people are good and some people are bad. Some people are saintly and some people are out and out evil. In order to control the people who are evil and bad we need forces to fight them and at the forefront of this are the police.

    This sounds so obvious and I don't know how to make it any more simple than that.

    We need the police.

    But the Liberal attitude at the time was, 'We don't need the Police, we're not going to pay for them and they'll go away, problem solved'.

    So they tried this wonderful Liberal Dream out and what happened? The Evil , bad people that the police restrained were no longer restrained and did Evil and Bad things and things went crazy. So what did they do then? They refunded them like money was going out of fashion.

    It's the same with the Church. There is an ultra Liberal dream in the Church which goes along the lines of , 'Power to the People'. The people being those activists who are interested enough to seize control of any Church sponsored body they can get their radical hands on. We see this so well in Germany.

    So Ultra Liberals like Kasper and Pope Francis want to live the dream of , 'Power to the People' as a lived practice. But when it comes to actually being put into effect they gasp in horror.

    Why ? Well it's just the same as defund the police, it leads to total break down and anarchy which even total '60's hippie-like nut jobs like Kasper and Pope Francis can see is not a good thing. Why? Because if anarchy came about who would support them in their pampered, totally taken- care- of, unreal lifestyles?

    No one. They are organisation men who love to preach against the organisation they lead. Which is fun, fun fun. The everlasting teenager. Until their dreams turn real.

    Then it's time for they themselves to turn.They real that they need the organization much , much more than the organization needs them.

    A lot of this stuff boils down to, 'I didn't get along with my Daddy and Mummy so I 'm not going to have it with you', stuff.

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