How does Ivereigh reconcile his imagined devolution of the Church with the undeniable reality that it is currently being rigidly ruled by an extremely authoritarian 'dictator' pope who seems to wish to keep as much power to himself as he can? There are contradictions here, but while the likes of Germany seems inevitably about to head into heresy, there might be very many orthodox local churches quite happy to have a radicalising Vatican off their backs. The 'God of Surprises' notion could blow back in their faces.
Pope Francis seems a loose cannon, at this point. The modernists won't have liked his blunt comments describing abortion as murder and, appalling as it was, these sophisticated, urbane liberals wouldn't have been impressed with the Pachamama fiasco. We obviously fear what Bergoglio will do, but the liberals can't be too confident of his actions, either, assuming they can even hold this synod in the wake of successive epidemics and natural disasters.
Its very hard to disagree. Are we coming to the place where we are in a defacto schism even though we have not disobeyed and have not left. Athanasius contra mundum.
According to the apparitions of La Sallete, there will be so much confusion that we will be confused at who the pope is. Also saints have supported antipopes in favor of true popes, so at this point I think it’s reasonable to not be certain about who is Peter. All I know is if the consecration prayers at mass changes, it doesn’t come from God.
No. That would be the clearest signal of all that the big real provable heresy has occurred. So I guess the ship will be rudderless for awhile. Scary thought.
We haven't changed our beliefs, which remain those of the Church going back to when Christ gave authority to St. Peter. As those are the Truths of Christ Himself and of Peter and his successors for two thousand years, it is logical only to consider that the ones who will be in schism in Reality will be those who choose to reject those beliefs, no matter how it might appear in the world.
I read a 2015 article in which Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga suggests that the next synod could have as its theme the decentralization of the Church, that is, the empowerment of the role of national Episcopal Conferences, individual dioceses, continental synods; for this is exactly what the next synod is proposing, it seems that Francis is obliged to follow the schedule https://domtotal.com/noticias/detalhes.php?notId=959425
This synod has got to be the important one spoken of in Garabandal, right? It seems it has the potential to be monumental or catastrophic.
Our Lord granted authority to individual dioceses through the person of each apostle and his successor. There is absolutely no tradition in the Church which would grant authority to an episcopal conference. I don't see how any decision of such a local commitee could be binding.
Precisely. Your father remained exactly the same man, as the Democrats mutated themselves into the Demoncrats.
The Consecration prayers, identical in all four Eucharistic Prayers no matter how much the latter three differ from Prayer One and the reason the NO remains valid, are the direct words of Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and the most important words ever spoken to man in all of recorded history, describing, as they do, the Sacrifice that ensures the possibility of our Salvation. To alter these words, certainly in any manner whatsoever that would change their meaning and sense would be utterly calamitous and an act of supreme satanic arrogance and folly. At least Our Lord could grant that the pharisees and sadducees, and their followers, 'knew not what they were doing'. The masons know exactly what they are doing and do it with full intention.
I am afraid for the large majority of Catholics, lay and clergy, the Church is all about outward forms. Schools and Colleges to send their children to. A place to get married and buried from. A social meeting place for the big occasions. Something to sign yourself as on the various forms. As to what goes on amongst the Vatican elite and the Holy Father, there is little or no interest for it appears to have little effect in their daily lives. Even if they did know or care I doubt if amongst many it would raise an eye brow, for they wouldn't know right from wrong in it anyway. So the Church can be gutted from within and become an empty shell, but that is fine for their lived Faith is an empty shell in any case. If you doubt me have a look sometimes at how the Eucharist is received. The Eucharist, the Source and Summit of the Catholic Life. If for most Catholic Faith is already just a matter of outward forms, a box ticking exercise, why would they care if it becomes this in actual reality. Why would they care about a False Church being constructed when they already have a false Faith? So long as all the boxes get ticked, who cares? This can be as much true for much of the Clergy as it is true for the lay folk. It was also true at the time of Jesus, when most of the apparently religious Jews rejected Him. They were happy with the outer forms and all too willing to reject the inner Spiritual Reality. Religion is a nice thing to have. Church is a nice place to be. Church music is a nice thing to listen to. We have nice schools and Colleges. Nice Weddings and Funerals. A nice Parish Priest. Everything's fine. Even when it isn't. Even when inside every good has died and its all an empty shell, a sham. Very nice on the outside, very rotten within. Pope Francis and his comrades know this very well and are counting on it.
Thanks, Padraig. That is a tremendous post, even by your own high standards and pretty much sums up the state of the Faith and the Church.
You are very kind. If it seems I am being too hard and cranky people should view the opinion polls regarding Catholics in the West. They are much more inclined to support and practise artifical contraception for instance, or support sexual perversion and perverts than even non believers. Also consider their behaviour during the virus. They are much more inclined to cooperate with the State than anyone else. They are much more part of the World than even people who have no Faith at all. Give me a total Atheist anytime as compared to a luke warm Catholic.
Look for instance at the political parties Catholics are voting for enmass. They would make the Devil Puke. Still they vote for them like crazy.
