They've come for Fr. Altman...

This is the way it has been done in our area.
A voters guide.
Reminder in this discussion that the Church is a hierarchy. Fr Engelmar Unzeitig died at Dachau for opposing the Nazis. Then we have the holy example of St Maximilian Kolbe. But
these are individual priests.

 

It seems there should be some leeway for an individual, a priest to say something like "Biden is an embarrassment to the Church" as the Mississippi pastor did though or as Father Altman has in saying you can't be "Democrat and Catholic"...

Again, everything is nuanced, in Louisiana, the Democrat governor signed pro-life legislation into law, yes, many and probably most Democrats in Louisiana are pro-life. This lady spoke at the March for Life... now, in a state one may be "pro-life" but does that mean they don't support pro-abortion politicians nationally like Obama? I don't know.

Louisiana Democrat: I'm pro-life because 'what's more innocent than a baby's life?' (liveaction.org)



But clearly, this does not pertain to people like AOC, Pelosi and so on, Biden.

 

Book of Matthew 10, maybe include where the quote comes from:

Matthew, CHAPTER 10 | USCCB

It is timely though:

22You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end* will be saved.​

 

I have no doubt I am already hated. This is one of my favorite Scriptures. Thank you, TinNM.

 

It’s a start.

 

Louisiana's Democratic governor, John Bel Edwards:

Gov. John Bel Edwards signs fetal heartbeat abortion ban (wdsu.com)

Louisiana is the Bible Belt, it also has a lot of Catholics so I think that has a lot to do with it. Someone told me from there though, he's still fairly liberal on other issues.

There are what can best be described as "pockets" of pro-life Democrats around, maybe in the Dakotas, I don't know positively but in the overall picture, it doesn't do much to dent the Democrats partnership with Big Abortion like Planned Parenthood. Places like Georgia, the so-called Bible Belt still has pro-choice types of Democrats like Stacy Abrams I would think.

So, we are talking about a few exceptions and not the rule.

 

Not by me!

 

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This boils down to a lack of religious liberty, it seems to me, both in the Church and in the world. The rosary is the weapon.

 

by who, who are you fighting against that would hate you?

If you are hated by some, well good, that means you are standing for Truth and doing something as His hands and feet to advance the Kingdom. Our Lord told us, they hated me first.

so if you’re hated then good and keep it up! Remember what Our Blessed Lord Himself says about the lukewarm: "I will vomit them out of my mouth."

 

Well, let me just say I taught in a public school for 30 years.

 

I'll assume you taught the kids Truth then and many of their parents hate you for it (you're in a liberal area, right?). Good then, just remember if they hate you for speaking Truth, they hated Him first. Speak and defend Truth anyway, that's how we change this world.

 

I have to re-enter the discussion due to the above clip, especially now that Fr. Altman's bishop has greatly limited this priest's faculties. We live in the most peculiar of times. A tool like the internet can project us into worldwide fame in a matter of months. Fr. Altman's notoriety is a prime example. His bishop has tightened the screws. Once again, Fr. Altman has found a new platform (this time, the Vortex) to continue his critique of the hierarchy.

Is there truth in what he asserts. Yes. But in his expose, I believe there is a lack of humility. He is content in his anger to call the Bishop, Dan. In dropping the title, Fr. Altman shows contempt for a Bishop Christ has anointed. Concurrently, if my children came home and started to address their mother and me as Geralyn and Terry, well that would be disrespectful. Insignificant though it may seem, it is a small, but clever insult, induced by JoeJerk. It is a chink in the armor of Fr. Altman by which pride can take deeper root. It will be a tool in the hands of those he confronts to dismiss him and justify their punitive actions. It saddens me.

1 Peter 3:8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing.

 

Agree. Good insight.

 

At one point, I was blessed with a Catholic supervisor. But after he left....

 

"lack of humility". Sure, he's no saint. But he's fighting for Truth and doing a lot better than the vast majority of our clergy and hierarchy.

The horse is out the barn door, it's far too late for the Church of Nice, dialogue and accompaniment. Same reason I love and respect Trump, there was no humility in him either, but he fought for us. When you're fighting evil, gird the loins and let's go, or you are going to get run over, like the Church and our world has been overrun. Good for both of them and I gladly and strongly support both in word and in deed

 

Well said. Lack of humility was problematic for me as well. It would have been better for Fr. Altman to stay away from the Vortex.

 

Great to see faithful Catholic laypeople stand up and defend Truth and defend our persecuted priests. Please sign up here: https://canceledpriests.org/

 

FatimaPilgrim, My daughter is getting her twins baptized by her wonderful former Pastor. He also happens to be a Cannon Lawyer, among many other impressive hats he wears. If I get a chance I am going to ask him about Father Altman this weekend. And what the cannon law says on these matters. This has been a very confusing case for me. Because I feel he has a right to talk about these matters to his flock for the salvation of their souls. But a lot of people on this thread think he must be obedient to his bishop, and must be nice about it. Although, I would normally agree with this prudent advice, in this case, it has to do with talking about the truth of the teachings of the church to his parish. I feel he was well within his right to do so. Maybe, I am wrong. But it would be interesting to speak to an actual Cannon Lawyer about this case. I hope I will get a chance to.

 

Here’s the homily from Father Heilman today on this exact subject. Father is a very prayerful, respectful, non confrontational but traditional solid priest.

https://rumble.com/embed/vh0gb3/?pub=4

 

A lot going on in this thread! Much of this is above my pay grade. I sympathize with Fr. Altman and his bishop. I get what father is saying- it’s very much how I see it. BUT, I kind of think if this using a military analogy. Father is a private and the bishop is the general. He got an order and disobeyed. Is the order valid and moral? It’s close imo but I think obedience weighs a bit more here for me. I think obedience flip side is trust. As hard as it is for father - trust that God has this even if tge bishop does not. And the bishop could (maybe he has) counsel father- help him see where he’s coming from and at end even if there remains disagreement remind him of the importance of obedience. After Mary and Joseph found Jesus in temple, the Bible tells us he returned to Nazareth and remained obedient to them. The Son of God deferred to his earthly authorities (parents) so thus seems pretty important to me.

And as FP pointed out today’s Gospel is timely. But I looked at it a bit differently. I heard the Word speak to me that our “enemies” may actually be more close to us. Our family, friends, Church friends.... the battle of the world may be there more than these bigger issues. And I always look to how Jesus asked us to respond. Always, always with love. Turn the other cheek ... forgive. Look for the good. I don’t know if that makes me naive or Pollyanna or promoting Church of Nice? I will absolutely take my stands and speak what I feel is the truth but I pray I can imitate Christ as much as possible when I do this. No doubt confusing times - satan seeding chaos and seeking to divide. This is hard and all I can think of is Our Lady always saying to pray, pray, pray. Especially for our Shepherd even when they seem wrong. Peace.