They've come for Fr. Altman...

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Father Altman went out to New Jersey in May/June over this issue... and I can see how we say "kids do stupid things", they rebel etc. but this at Seton Hall is not good.

I really quibble with this issue, Fr. Altman is correct on most or all of these issues, he's being brave so why might I have a disagreement?

All homilies, almost all are pretty tame nowadays and I'm convinced at least that one order (Marists) from attending some masses of theirs' have what I'd call "canned homilies", nothing too controversial.

I do wrestle with this issue with Fr. Altman, basically repeating myself, he was trying his best to further true Catholicism, Catholic principles.

 

They raised all of these legal fees for Father Altman, into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I wonder if he can oppose this verdict in any way. What are those fees raised for?? Yes, I imagine he can fight this.

This is on this, no endorsement to this blog: How One ‘Ineffective’ Priest Raise Over $500,000 In Just 4 Days – Complicit Clergy

Another article: BREAKING: Bishop Callahan CANCELS Fr. Altman – Complicit Clergy

.... Fr. Altman cares for his 90-year-old parents at the parish rectory of St. James the Less. It remains to be seen if Bishop Callahan will forcefully remove them from the rectory.​

Yes, repeating, I really wrestle with this issue and what to do but I know often, reiterating homilies, one doesn't hear much that starkly confront pertinent issues, often it's milk toast. We have a big pro-life movement, pro-life area for literature often in the church but little said from the pulpit. Of course, one could say that is preaching to the choir to begin with.

 

Oh no, he was provoking?!? Well that’s a horse of a different color, my oh my, provoking?!? Gasp.

Hopefully they can send him off to the re-education camp and bring in the likes of Bishop Barron to teach him the nice way to preach. Heaven for all, that’ll be nice to hear and mabye the the number of “catholics” who don’t believe in the true presence pushed up from a mere 80% to a more robust 95%. bring in Father Martin to speak nice to us to boot, that’ll fix things, yay!

51Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
52From now on a household of five will be divided, three against two and two against three;
53a father will be divided against his son and a son against his father, a mother against her daughter and a daughter against her mother, a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

Signs of the Times.

54He also said to the crowds, “When you see [a] cloud rising in the west you say immediately that it is going to rain—and so it does;
55and when you notice that the wind is blowing from the south you say that it is going to be hot—and so it is.
56You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky; why do you not know how to interpret the present time?

 

We are going to agree to disagree on this. The Catholic Church is a hierarchy established by Jesus. That’s all I’m going to say about this.
Edit: you are not alone in feeling the way you do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

They're raised to pay for a canon lawyer. US Lawyers can be expensive, but if you're doing canonical legal work, it's not only very specialized legal work, it's legal work that has to be done in two languages. Fr. Altman's statements, evidence, etc. must be gathered in English, which then must be translated into Latin to be presented to the Vatican dicastery in charge of hearing his case.

 

Then, they will fight it out in the Vatican court or maybe properly said, the Vatican dicastery (I've not heard of that word) maybe... I hope Father Altman can come out victorious on this, I mean, I do agree with what he says mostly.

 

In Catholicism, so much is "nuanced", read this:



FrDave Nix (@FrDaveNix) / Twitter



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Fr Nix was in trouble with his pastor.
He sought hermit priest status and is now a hermit priest.

 

I see the distinctions but maybe some see a problem with activism.

You likewise could have priest's preaching from the left like Father Pfleger for example, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pfleger or you could have a priest up there giving sermons on why there should be same-sex marriages, it could become anything goes, a complex matter.

 

Yes, it's a complex matter. You got that right!

 

Unfortunately episcopal conferences, especially those the size of the one in the USA, have become political organizations making public statements based mostly on consensus. Truth is not built on consensus. Period.

Let each bishop speak to his flock. Let us know the truth from the words of his own mouth in conformity with the Gospel.

In conferences, individual bishops can blame "the process" for whatever position is taken. I generally believe it is a waste of time. Invariably the Gospel gets watered down.

Lord have Mercy!

 

Correct me if I am wrong as I am new to this issue, but didn't Father Altman say that no Catholic can be a Democrat? This is 100% correct. The Democrat Party has support for legal abortion built right in to its Platform, so in no way could a practicing Catholic support such Party with such an evil tenet built into the party's foundation.

 

Yes, agree. A few posts up, my post related how possibly, the Bishop is trying to avoid financial damage, maybe lawsuits.

I wonder if the Church could be sued for something like this, also, Church and State, that fine line of separation.

 

For what it's worth, there somehow doesn't seem to be a be a similar level of disdain aimed at those 'priests' that preach those weird notions, as against Fr. Altman - who speaks doctrine.

 

The already mentioned Father Pfleger was disciplined concerning political stances, stances that are leftist:

Pfleger's out. He's been asked by Cardinal George to take a leave of absence. The archdiocese has done the right thing, belatedly. But the stakes for it are higher than many might imagine

Catholics across the nation have been outraged at this priest's behavior shown on TV. But he has long been a thorn in the side of the local Church authorities. Cardinal George earlier had made it clear that Father Pfleger was to keep his nose out of politics if he wanted to keep his position as pastor at St. Sabina's until a permanent replacement was found. But following his TUCC show, an on-line petition requesting Pfleger's removal was started, and yesterday the Cardinal made his decision.

Given the history of this congregation since Pfleger arrived their in 1981 and embraced the Black Liberation Theology of Rev. Wright, and its regular threats to leave the Catholic Church, one must assume from the stern language in the official statement that Cardinal George is prepared to face all the negative consequences of belatedly imposing Church discipline on Father Pfleger.

Father Pfleger Ousted by his Cardinal (americanthinker.com)
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To other issues, there are probably a few issues that one can not ignore...abortion for example. It could be argued some others see great evil in wars and so on.

 

I agree. There again, perhaps it was Fr. Altman’s approach.

 

I think we are often told by the Church "do not support a politician that votes for such and such (abortion or same-sex marriage for example)", while not naming specific persons or parties.

I think the Democrats are in the gutter on most of these issues if not all issues but I think the Church officially often stops short from naming certain parties or persons. One needs to be aware enough to do that oneself.

Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics by Catholic Answers :: (catholicfidelity.com)

 

You are, of course, 100% correct. Father Altman, and a growing number of persecuted priests, are in trouble for speaking the hard Truths we need to hear. And if our bishops and priests had been Teaching these hard Truths for the past many years, the world wouldn’t be in the accelerating downward spiral we find ourselves in.

“He’s too provocative”? Good gravy, you know who’s provocative and constantly agitating and in your face? The devils minions who are running rampant over this world. Anyone pay attention to history and how the evil one has always worked through Marxist, Socialist, Communist, call it what it is, anti-God ideologies? By being provocative. All last summer we watched them being provocative and in our faces cowing good people in fear as they marched, and looted, beat, and burned our churches down and toppled statues of our saints and desecrated our holy spaces.

But good faithful priests are being cancelled for standing up to this evil and some people will continue to still stand down against this evil and tut tut their disapproval of him for being too “provocative” and facing down the evil that rises all around us and which has overrun our families and Church? Good gravy...and the devil laughs while he once again cows the “good Germans” to hide in their homes. At least they haven’t come for you, yet...

 

If more Catholics priests and bishops had spoken out against Hitler and the Nazis ---

And believe me these leftist unbelievers are hewn from the same rock as the Nazis and the communists

Speaking out is a prophetic gift - prophets fear no one.

 

Spot on. “Fear not!”

From today’s Gospel (no coincidences):

“When they hand you over, do not worry about how you are to speak or what you are to say. You will be given at that moment what you are to say. For it will not be you who speak but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child; children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in one town, flee to another.”