The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    :eek:
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  2. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    Annulments don't come from the Vatican any more, they are handled by regional marriage tribunals. The article mentions Melinda's strict Catholic beliefs, what a joke :rolleyes:
     
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  3. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    I wonder if Melinda knows things that made her decide to leave? Will God change her heart and use her for good?
     
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  4. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    I would love to think so.
     
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  5. thomas21

    thomas21 Archangels

    More likely a way to liquidate stocks without drawing attention to it.
     
  6. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Yes, what a joke! Like she is a “ practicing” catholic if you consider Biden a “practicing “ catholic. And yes, it’s not the Vatican that issues annulments, it’s local....of course unless your name is Gates. Let’s just see if money can’t buy you a pass from the Vatican now too. Malinda Gates supports contraceptive and abortion, maybe they will speed up her annulment because she’s more in sync with the higher ups than real catholics.
     
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  7. Luan Ribeiro

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  8. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Apologies if this has been posted previously, but I have just watched it and I think it’s worth viewing....:

     
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  9. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Thank you for sharing Beth. Excellent video!
     
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  10. TinNM

    TinNM Guest

    The “Soulless” Vatican Healthcare Conference
    Big Pharma and Big Tech strutted their stuff, but God’s Vicars were silent
    Katarina Carranco
    May 17, 2021

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    It is true that the agenda of the modern world simply does not intersect with the Catholic faith, but this hardly excuses the massive concessions made in the name of finding common ground. For example, the term “humanity” was used frequently during the conference to show the “bridge that unites us.” “Humanity” is a term vague enough to appeal to those listening as well as those in attendance who were non-Christians, globalist, or science-only believers, each of whom was free to define it any way they chose.

    More: The “Soulless” Vatican Healthcare Conference - PRI (pop.org)
     
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  11. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Pope Francis plans synodal shake-up
    by Christopher Lamb
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    Pope Francis has long wanted to empower the laity.
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    The next synod of bishops gathering in Rome has been postponed until 2023 so that an unprecedented consultation of Catholics can take place in advance.

    Pope Francis had originally planned a synod on the theme of synodality for October 2022, but in a radical shakeup, Rome is asking every diocese across the world to begin the first phase of the process on 17 October this year.

    Each local church will be sent details for a consultation and listening process that must last until April 2022 when a diocese will be required to submit proposals to their bishops’ conference. It is not clear yet what the consultation will focus on but the theme of the synod is: “For a synodal Church: communion, participation and mission.”

    Bishops will then meet to “listen to what the Spirit has inspired in the churches entrusted to them” and is to be followed by a “continental phase” of discernment.

    From September 2022 until March 2023 bishops from various regions will meet and draft a document to be sent to the synod office in Rome. The final phase of the synod will take place in the Vatican in October of that year.

    Throughout his pontificate, Pope Francis has repeatedly called for a synodal church, one where bishops, priests and people “walk together” in a common mission. In a landmark 2015 speech, Francis stressed that synodality is what “God expects of the Church in the third millennium” and has called for the greater involvement of lay people in decision making.

    In an interview with Vatican News, Cardinal Mario Grech, who leads the synod secretariat in Rome, said the decision to postpone the Rome gathering was because the “time was ripe for a wider participation of the People of God in a decision-making process that affects the whole Church and everyone in the Church”.

    Pointing out that the Second Vatican Council taught that “the People of God participate in the prophetic office of Christ”, it is imperative to listen to the People of God, and this means going out to the local churches, he said.

    While synodality is rooted in early Christianity and part of the first 1,000 years of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Grech said it had weakened during the second millennium. The synod of bishops structure was established by Pope Paul VI in 1965, at the end of Vatican II, as a way to assist the Pope in his governance of the Church.

    Francis has used the synod as the primary vehicle for implementing his pastoral agenda and renewal of the Church, and has strengthened the importance of the synods. The Pope, however, wants this renewal to come from below, and has said his model of a synodal church is that of an “inverted pyramid” where “those who exercise authority are called ‘ministers’, because, in the original meaning of the word, they are the least of all”. His synods on the family (2014 & 2015), youth (2018) and the Amazon (2019) all included consultations of ordinary Catholics as part of the process.

    Meanwhile, churches across the world have announced or begun synodal processes including in Australia, Germany, Italy and Ireland while bishops in Latin America are embarking on a continent-wide process.

    Both Cardinal Grech and the new rules for the synod reference church teaching on the sensus fidei,“the sense of the faith” of believers, and the idea “that the Church as a whole is infallible in her belief”.

    The cardinal said that unity in the Church is not just achieved by “strengthening the authority of pastors” but requires “circularity, reciprocity, journeying together with respect to the various functions of the People of God”.

    He added: “God willing, one of the fruits of the Synod is that we might all understand that a decision-making process in the Church always begins with listening, because only in this way can we understand how and where the Spirit wants to lead the Church.”


    riat in Rome, said the decision to postpone the Rome gathering was because the “time was ripe for a wider participation of the People of God in a decision-making process that affects the whole Church and everyone in the Church”.

    Pointing out that the Second Vatican Council taught that “the People of God participate in the prophetic office of Christ”, it is imperative to listen to the People of God, and this means going out to the local churches, he said.

    While synodality is rooted in early Christianity and part of the first 1,000 years of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Grech said it had weakened during the second millennium. The synod of bishops structure was established by Pope Paul VI in 1965, at the end of Vatican II, as a way to assist the Pope in his governance of the Church.

    Francis has used the synod as the primary vehicle for implementing his pastoral agenda and renewal of the Church, and has strengthened the importance of the synods. The Pope, however, wants this renewal to come from below, and has said his model of a synodal church is that of an “inverted pyramid” where “those who exercise authority are called ‘ministers’, because, in the original meaning of the word, they are the least of all”. His synods on the family (2014 & 2015), youth (2018) and the Amazon (2019) all included consultations of ordinary Catholics as part of the process.

    Meanwhile, churches across the world have announced or begun synodal processes including in Australia, Germany, Italy and Ireland while bishops in Latin America are embarking on a continent-wide process.

    Both Cardinal Grech and the new rules for the synod reference church teaching on the sensus fidei,“the sense of the faith” of believers, and the idea “that the Church as a whole is infallible in her belief”.

    The cardinal said that unity in the Church is not just achieved by “strengthening the authority of pastors” but requires “circularity, reciprocity, journeying together with respect to the various functions of the People of God”.

    He added: “God willing, one of the fruits of the Synod is that we might all understand that a decision-making process in the Church always begins with listening, because only in this way can we understand how and where the Spirit wants to lead the Church.”
    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/14162/pope-francis-plans-synodal-shake-up
     
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  12. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    I think this synod will allow the laity to elect their bishops by direct vote
     
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  13. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The synodal plan is a recipe for disaster.

    The church was founded on the rock of Peter the authority going from top down.

    Now Francis wants power to come from below.

    This Pope will be responsible for the greatest schism in the church since the reformation.

    But he has already stated he is not afraid of schism so we know where he stands.

    The captain of the ship cares nothing for the ship he commands.
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    Chipping away at the rock!
     
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  15. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    We must pray hard.
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Catholic priests, over a hundred of them , in Germany, 'blessing', sexual perverts in an obsence abomination and a desecration.

    The response from the Vatican? To say this is not a good thing.

    The best response?

    Accompaniment.

    Accompany the priests who did this and the Bishops and Cardinals who supported them to the front door of the Church and then boot them out of it at high speed.

    Defrock.

    Excommunicate.

    Totally condemn.

    Bell, books and candle.

    tell them they are going straight to hell..and very,very deep down in hell, especially the priests and Bishops.

    But that would not be very nice , would it? Nasty intolerant, judgemental, Pharisical old me:):)

    We've got to talk about, we've got to hold meetings, we've got to have dialogue and talk and and talk and talk and talk and talk....

    Boot them, what do you mean, just boot them?

    Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

    JUST BOOT THEM OUT.

    IN THE NAME OF THE GOOD GOD, JUST BOOT THEM ALL OUT.

    Matthew 18:9
    8If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than to have two hands and two feet and be thrown into the eternal fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.


     
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  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes, the Church is a hierarchy.
     
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  18. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    I don’t know what to say, except God help them. Our Church is being ripped apart. :cry:
    That word, accompaniment, makes me ill.
    Are we to hold their hands as they march off to hell. Chastisement will come soon. :(
     
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  19. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    they want to transform the church into a democratic forum, and if the laity vote for the Church to change its age-old teachings, it will be a symbolism of the people choosing Barabbas and condemning Christ to crucifixion.
     
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  20. Ananchal

    Ananchal Vigilans

    :D:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::D

    oh you made my day lol :D
     

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