View attachment 919 I had never heard of 'Our Lady Untier of Knots' until today (Patroness of Marriage and Conflict! a great match!). So I thought of you ladies. It is one of the Pope's favourite devotions and was introduced by him to Argentina following his studies in Bavaria where it is a local devotion. In the image Our Lady is removing the knots from a white wedding ribbon. There is a novena related to this image at http://piercedhearts.org/hearts_jesus_mary/apparitions/untier_knots.html Now, if this is new to you, I feel sure that Our Lady will be running an 'introductory offer' (as she seems to with new inspirations about Her). So let's get ready for some positive outcomes.
Sorry to jump into the conversation, but your story Steve struck a nerve. I too became the religious one around the house. So much so my husband asked me, "You are going to stay this way aren't you?" "I said, "Yep, I believe so...lol" He is an avid reader and is reading at least 5 books at a time. Many of them end up on the back of the toilet. I however would take his books when I cleaned every week and I put a basket of pamphlets on the back of the toilet. He only then had room for one book once and a while. I found out later that he had read all the pamphlets out of boredom! He even asked me once about the three days of darkness and if we were ready for it all! He attributes his becoming baptised to my prayers, the pamphlets and God's grace---HA!
Thanks Bernadette for drawing this thread back to its original topic! People can easily get side-tracked but that's no harm either.. it's good to talk
I believe the visionaries have multiple secrets about themselves. The only secret they all know they share is the 3rd secret which is the visible sign. Otherwise, they don't really talk about the secrets amongst themselves. I only concern myself with Mirjana's 10 secrets for the world and they will be pre-announced. the other secrets do not concern me, so I don't think about them. does anyone know for sure if all 10 of Mirjana's secrets for the world will be announced? If yes, that would mean she would be alive for all of them...there would be a method of worldwide communication, etc.
Thanks Steve, MS7, MC and Border Collie! First, let me apologize for being off topic because we should get back to the topic of Medjugorje on this thread but I have questions regarding marriage. Pardon my ignorance but what I don't understand is that, while my husband and I are one in God's eyes now, how is it that in our marriage vows it is "until death due us part"? I always envisioned, because I love my husband sooo very much, that we would be together in heaven but in a new way maybe. So, when my mom told me that wouldn't be the case because of this line the our marriage vows, I was quite sad. I'm confused. Can anyone clear this up in my head? How can we be one with regards to judgement but then not be one in Heaven? What am I not understanding?
Yes, it is Mirjana that has the 10 secrets for the world and each will be announced 3 days in advance. She will be alive for all of them since she is the only one who can read the parchment on which they appear.
the more I hear about the secrets, the more confused I get. It seems the visionaries themselves don't know which secrets the other has as that is a secret of sorts. They seem very respectful of each others experience with the secrets. Jakov is especially private about his secrets. I would imagine each visionary has 6 or 8 main secrets and 2 to 4 secrets about themselves or their mission in life. I also think God grants them spiritual amnesia so they don't obsess about them or the dates. When I went to Bosnia in 93 there were hardly any pilgrims in the village because the war was in full swing. I spoke to Mirjana over her fence post with an interpreter. She was holding her 3 year old daughter. I asked her as a mom too of a 3 year old, how she is able to handle knowing the secrets and how she gets through the day with this knowledge. She said the Blessed Mother helps her because if she thought about it all the time it would be too difficult. The Blessed Mother brings her respite from the burden. I think she does that for all of us if we ask. As for family and non believers....My father and husband were angry fallen away Catholics when I left for Medjugorje. I walked up Mt Krizevac barefoot for them. It really hurt!!!!! Anyway, they had massive conversions and are better Catholics than I am today!!!! Now my sons, ages 22 and 25 have fallen away although raised in the faith strongly. I pray for them to Our Lady and St Monica. I know God will help them...I offer every communion for them.
Thanks for sharing about your family, Donna! Helps to make me feel like I'm not alone. I feel like someone on an episode of the Twilight Zone sometimes. The one that is walking around with knowledge on what is likely to happen while others are having a good time and not seeing anything wrong. Oh well, pray! I thought I'd put together some information since it can hard to keep straight. My comments are in red italics, the rest is from the MedjugorjeToday.TV website. “None of my secrets are secrets that relate only to me. The secrets are for the entire world”, Mirjana confirmed on September 13th 1998. So, there are 10 secrets that are for the world. Based on this information, it would seem that any secrets given to the seers related to their personal lives are in addition to the 10 main secrets which are for the world. Anyone have a different interpretation, feel free to chime in. · First & Second Secrets - The first secret will cause reflection and is for Medjugorje. “It will last for a little while. It will be visible; it is necessary to shake up the world a little. It will make the world pause and think.” During the 1985 interview Fr. Petar Ljubicic also asked Mirjana if anyone would say that the event of the first secret was simply a natural phenomenon. In answering Mirjana included her second secret, too: “Perhaps some staunch unbelievers might say something like that after the first and the second”, Mirjana replied. In spite of her descriptions, the first secrets will not be catastrophes in the literal sense, the visionary also revealed: “It will not be anything as huge as that. That will come later. These first two secrets are not all that severe and harsh. What I mean is, yes, they are severe, but not as much as the remaining ones. (…) What follows are the secrets which are really unpleasant. I would be happy if everyone would finally understand that. I cannot tell them much more, but once they begin to be fulfilled, then it will be too late”. · Third Secret - ”The third secret is about a sign that she will leave here, on the Mountain of the Apparitions. This sign will remain forever. It is given above all for those people who are still far away from God. The Madonna wishes to give these people who will see the sign a chance to believe in God”, Vicka told Radio Maria in January 2008. According to Marija, there will also be healings. · Last 4 Secrets - They are the worst. ”The eighth secret is worse than the other seven. I prayed for a long time that it might be less severe. Every day, when Our Lady came, I pestered her, asking that it be mitigated. Then she said that everyone should pray that it might be lessened”, Mirjana told the Franciscan priest Fr. Tomislav Vlasic on January 10th 1983, sixteen days after receiving the tenth secret had ended her daily apparitions. ”So, in Sarajevo, I got many people to join me in this prayer. Later Our Lady told me that she had been able to have the secret lessened. But then she told me the ninth secret and it was even worse. The tenth secret is totally bad and cannot be lessened whatsoever. I cannot say anything about it because even a word would disclose the secret before it is time to do so.” Era of Peace - “The visionaries say that life in the world will be changed with the realization of the secrets that the Virgin Mary has entrusted to them. Afterwards, mankind will believe like in ancient times”, the Franciscan priest Fr. Tomislav Vlasic said in 1983, during his time as spiritual advisor for the visionaries. “I have an optimistic view of the future. If we all begin to live these (the Virgin Mary’s) messages, a new world will be born”, visionary Marija Pavlovic said in 1988. And so the secrets also signify the end to Satan’s current iron grip on mankind, visionary Mirjana Dragicevic was told in the second year of the apparitions: “This century is under the power of the devil, but when the secrets confided to you come to pass, his power will be destroyed.” Reference to Children – This speaks to my heart; children’s prayers are so powerful so I’m guessing this is why Mirjana said, “When the secrets are revealed, people will understand why it was so important for them to have many children.”. How much people will regret artificial contraception and abortion!?!
Well now.....I will finally understand why God gave me 11 children?? Here I thought it was to tourture me . just kidding folks, i know God gave them to me to have something always to pray for. As they say, Sacrifice is the language of love
11 children, Fatima? I didn' realise we had a living saint among us! As for the parchment of Mirjana, Fr. Petar will be able to read it whan the time comes. Mirjana has even said she does not have to be alive when the secrets happen. Fr. Petar is 67 or 68 years old, I think?
I can already see why so many children are important. I think I may have mentioned this before. At some point Christians all over the world are going to be outnumbered by Islam and the likes.. Christianity is in danger of being wiped out. Although God will never allow that to happen. But at some point there will be enough of them to dictate our laws. Look at all the refugees (I am not getting into politics about helping them or not) they are not allowed to vote here, but their children who are born here will be. They have anything from five upwards. Average of five per family. British people average two per family. Some couples simply don't want children. In another few years, there will be enough to vote in someone who will put Islamic laws in place, could do away with woman at school, in the work place etc, force people to bow down to their faith... Could do away with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. If that day was ever to come, we would absolutely lament over all our aborted children, we would also lament the deterrents to pregnancy. This will be the fruits of our own sin
it means that when one of you die, then indeed the other is free to marry etc.. With regards to Heaven, well, which one of us has been there? But family is very important to God, so I would imagine that we would be very aware of our love for our family members and very aware who they are etc. We shall live in truth, and our family members are a truth of our lives. Does that make sense? However, we shall love as God loves, and as Christ declared himself.. Those who do the will of the father will be our brother, our mother, our sister etc.. In other words, we will not make distinctions in our love for our love will be pure and as God loves.. Jesus loves His bride dearly, He atoned for her etc. A husband/wife is to love their partner as Christ loves His Church, so yes, one can make up for what the other is lacking. God will do the rest. That is my understanding anyway.
I agree, MC. I also think that with so many lukewarm and Catholics/Christians not attending church, we are already outnumbered in spirit - in other words, more not fighting for what is right than what is wrong. So, changes are happening now because of the lack of prayer and people speaking up.
Absolutely Tina. It is very much on a spiritual level now. I know many who haven't baptized their children because they say they are giving them a choice. I tell them that they are taking their choice away. That if they have them baptized and teach them their faith, it is indeed the child's choice to walk away. But how can they choose something they are never given. This isn't a choice. I offer my child a piece of fruit and it is up to them if they want it or not. But if I don't offer that fruit then I haven't given them anything to choose, does that make sense? That is on a very small scale. There is much happening as you say. But still they are limited in what they can get away with. Give it 10 years from now, when many will be voting and will be outnumbering Christians and the values of the natives (for want of a better word) and we will not have enough children even to vote them out.. Now, can you imagine if there is a war... Islam against Christians? Quite a frightening reality.. And you know the sad thing? Every faith believes that God is Creator. Therefore God is Father. If every faith lived by this truth in their hearts, there would be no wars, no killing etc.. Heart breaking really..
Mirjana , I thought she was not going to be alive for the last secrets, just the first 3...I will have to re-read. The priest will announce the Miracle and the secrets from the parchment paper when it is time?...when she gets the green light from the Blessed Mother. If this priest is in his late 60's gosh or 70's..this is close.
Here is an old video interview of Mirjana with Sr. Emmauel and Denis Nolan, in which she mentions the secrets, in which she says she can't really discuss the secrets, because they're secrets, but Sr. Emmanuel says many people are afraid to have children because of the secrets. Mirjana says pertaining to the secrets that you should be afraid if you don't have kids. http://napatv.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=2949
