I'm taking the below from part of a post of Glenn Hudson (#2592) in the Garabandal Info & Answers thread: ...Mari Loli later went on to say “Russia will suddenly & unexpectedly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world “. These comments clearly refer to a Communist takeover led by Russia which will appear to have succeeded and in the midst of this frightful aggression will be a harrowing persecution of the Church. Priests will have to go into hiding, Churches will be boarded up and it will become very difficult for the faithful to practice their religion or for Holy Mass to be celebrated freely. During an interview with Fr. Francis Benac, S.J. in 1978, Mari Loli further explained “it was all related to communism and what is going to happen in the Church and to the people because all these things are to have repercussions amongst the people. When the Church suffers confusion, the people are going to suffer too. Some priests who are communists will create such confusion that people will not know right from wrong “. I'm not questioning the accuracy of the above, but it does seem interesting that the beginning of the harrowing persecution described above has already begun in the form of Marxist ideology planted in the West some time ago! The 1978 segment above has already occurred. Lord have Mercy!
Was this upcoming event conditional? Was it what would happen if people didn't pray and change? Or is it a certain future? Because perhaps the physical takeover by Russia was averted, but the crisis in the church caused by communists still happened, leading to these shutdowns and closing of churches. Has anyone been talking with Conchita about what's going on right now? I sure wish I could know her thoughts on where we are right now and where we're headed.
I know someone who was born and raised in the Soviet Union and whose been living here in the US for quite some time. (He has a great working relationship with a Ukrainian, by the way.) He’s a conservative and pro-Trump. We’ve had discussions as he follows politics VERY closely and has the real-deal experience of having lived over there. He said that once a KGB, always a KGB. So, barring any obvious conversion or renunciation, according to this friend, Russian leadership is really still as it always was and should, therefore be expected to act accordingly. With this in mind, the prophesies of Garabandal makes even more sense.
I believe we must pray for discernment regarding a possible conflict between Russia and a united Ukraine, NATO, US alliance for the following reasons: 1. The Democrats manufactured the Russia/Trump collusion narrative during the 2016 presidential election. 2. During that same period Hillary Clinton routinely made war mongering comments regarding Russia. It certainly seemed that a war with Russia was in plan if Hillary had been elected. 3. The Bidens and other Deep Staters are inextricably involved with some Ukranian politicians. Remember Vice President Biden bragged about threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine if they tried to prosecute his son who was on the board of a Ukranian company. Also a Ukranian politician was promised $1 million to testify against Trump during the first impeachment attempt. I wouldn't consider Ukraine to be the good guys. I believe the Democrats and world oligarchs plans include manufacturing a war somewhere. They make money, gain even more control, and divert attention from the true issues. Assuming that Russia is always the bad guy is dangerous in my opinion. When Trump was president you didn't hear any of this PROPAGANDA. It seems very much like covid talk: play it up, talk about it all the time, and the people will believe whatever you feed them in the mainstream news. Like covid, the timing is very interesting; the Democrats get in control and war comes to the forefront. There are no coincidences.
Conchita mentioned that Padre Pio, during her visit with him, said to her "The great wonder of God [Miracle] must be paid for with much blood throughout Europe." [Since this information is new to many English readers we (Barry Hanratty) contacted Mr. Weber to confirm the source. He responded that Conchita mentioned it in the presence of his mother, Eloise Deguia and himself, and that his mother wrote it down word for word.] Church. Personalities. Padre Pio I think a blood bath is being prepared.
We always feared Russian invasion of the west. But Malachi Martin always claimed “our [society’s] salvation will come from Russia” and that Ukraine would play a central decisive role. Maybe we’re there. Maybe it’s time to root for Russia. The west is long gone into apostasy.
At the same time, the salvation many can be at the very hands, and by the very actions, of an enemy whose goal is anything but our salvation.
"a Communist takeover led by Russia which will appear to have succeeded and in the midst of this frightful aggression will be a harrowing persecution of the Church. Priests will have to go into hiding, Churches will be boarded up and it will become very difficult for the faithful to practice their religion or for Holy Mass to be celebrated freely." ___________________________ A Communist agression led by Russia persecuting the Church. How could anyone conclude that the Russians are the good guys in this situation? Yes, perhaps AFTER the agression by Russia persecuting the Church Russia is converted by the Warning or Miracle and leads the way in holiness but first the persecution and bloodshed.
Maybe the communist aggressions led by Russia primarily occurred at the beginning and middle of the 20th century and have led to the current persecution of the Church by way of an internal apostasy and the building of an anti-Church within the true Church. Already many Catholic churches in the Western world have been closed (e.g. boarded up) and traditional priests must hide their true beliefs. In the secular world atheistic marxism/socialism/communism seems to have the upper hand and heavy handed oppression has begun To me prophecy is difficult to understand except in retrospect.
The prophecy (Garabandal) occured in the late 1960s during the cold war. The sudden aggression led by Russia happens after "Communism comes again" Many have believed during the last 20 years that Communism (and Russia) no longer poses a threat. If Garabandal is authentic, the threat of a aggression and persecution is still to come.
There is something that I wonder about when it comes to these prophecies. Our world is drowning in propaganda or "official narratives" that are widely believed by most people but may not be the truth. To take an example, if the propaganda says there is a deadly virus killing billions when in fact there is another cause, how would the Virgin Mary state this in prophecy? She would probably say there will be pandemics because that will be the official narrative. But not everyone believes this is the real story. With respect to Russia, how can we know if they are good guys or the bad guys? Wouldn't it depend on which media you read? There are good and nasty folks everywhere. And what Church is Russia supposed to attack? The one under Peter (Putin has already made negative comments about our current pope) or the new world religion that will soon arise and could be Christian in name only? If Russia attacks the NWO feel-good Church, then they would be presented globally as the bad guys. I think that the remnant will view world events differently than the majority of people or at least the majority of leaders. By the time these prophecies come to pass, could be that so many people have drunk the cool-aid that they think the anti-Church is the Church and things could be confusing if we look at it only with human views.
No, Conchita is definitely a solid Catholic. And the Blessed mother definitely is not trying to warn a false church. She is warning THE Church, the one her son founded. It would make no sense for her to warn a false church of an aggression by Russia.
Yes, you're probably right. But things are getting more bizarre by the week. And the numbers of people practicing now is so low and so many who are still attending don't see a problem with masks, gel, social distancing, refusing entry to those without masks and soon, vaccines. How many more rules can be imposed and still be considered the real Church I wonder? Anyway, I just wanted to put the idea out there.
I just can’t imagine salvation coming from the East (Russia), and Russia being the country that persecutes. It makes no sense. I still believe it’s the errors of the Soviet Union before the Berlin Wall fell that persecutes today. The globalists want to take Ukraine from the Russians. That is why Biden and Romney are so interested in Ukraine. They want to control the pipeline of oil rather than letting Russia supply the oil to Europe. It’s all about starving Russia. I doubt Russia will let this happen. Maybe it is Russia that ends the control of the globalists.
I guess I don't see any reason that wearing masks etc. makes the Church any less the real Church. If anything, greater restrictions and eventually persecutions indicate that the Church is still Christ's Church. Look at Christ on the cross. That is what true discipleship may eventually require.
Russia does not own the Ukraine. You are free to not believe Russia will persecute the Church again. But those who believe in the Garabandal prophesies do. Additionally our Blessed mother at Fatima warned of the Russian errors....until Russia is converted and her Immaculate heart triumphs. I personally believe whe have not seen the full triumph of her Immaculate heart. Nor do I believe Russia who was the first to legalize abortion, and still leads the world in abortion vs live births, has been fully converted. If Russia leads a persecution and is converted by the Warning, it makes perfect sence that they would then lead the way once the conversion has begun. How could Saul become the great apostle Paul?
Russia is the one who is defending and saving the Christians in the world today. They are the ones who destroyed ISIS and saved the Syrian Christians from annihilation. Recently, they saved Christian Armenia from being destroyed by Moslem Azerbaijan with the help of Turkey. The West is the one who is persecuting the Christians today.
