I think it's clear no one came on this thread with the purpose of attacking Julia personally. I frankly don't see that as the tone of the previous three pages. It is not an attack to offer information that contradicts a point made by a forum member, especially if it is a factual assertion--and should be seen as fraternal correction at the most. Can forum members post messages from "prophets" who have been rejected by the Church? I thought the answer was NO. This is NOT the same as posting messages that have not yet been evaluated by the Church, which I thought was allowed. Along with messages that have received some level of Church approval but remain controversial. .
Correct. Like MDM. Definitely not. Although an exception seems to be made for Medjugorje, which was condemned by multiple bishops there. Again, I think this is correct. However, once a local bishop has pronounced pro or con, we follow their authority on the matter.
Thanks, Brian. With Medjugorje, the Vatican stepped in and kicked the investigation upstairs, so it's in its own special space. The only special case I'm aware of.
Christy, I hope I didn’t in any way imply Julia was attacked...only that she may have felt she was based on her responses. I’m sorry if you felt or perceived that. I was just trying to let Julia know that even if there was a disagreement on prophecy that we valued her here as a faithful member. I’ll just refrain from this from topic from now on.
I have found over the years sometimes the problems of being on a forum or writing , emailing or texting for that matter is that during communication not only are words important but also facial expressions and tone. Written responses lose this most vital form of communication. I have often thought while praying and trying to figure out how to articulate something how good it is that God knows our hearts
It is a pleasure, treasure. That pilgrimage nearly killed me, and if I was to tell you what happened on the way back, you would hopefully see the funny side and laugh your socks off. Thank God I got a chance to apologise to Saint Patrick for Ireland turning gay. That mattered to me, hopefully God appreciated it too. But I don't want to risk frightening the protestants and pagans so will keep the gory details off the forum. Recently found out about Mother Angelica and the shenanigans surrounding her first vows. She was a holy woman, and this gave me much encouragement from that pilgrimage. Need I say more.
Chill o Chill out Beth B. As long as you are open and honest and transparent, you will never hurt the One Who really matters. Our loving Sweet Heavenly Father. None of us can ever be sure whither we are the wheat or the chaff, so we have no right to judge one another. You come across as a sweet kind spiritual person trying to make your way home the same as the rest of us. Be happy and enjoy every day, blocking anyone who tries to put a fly in your ointment and stay with the Lord. God bless.
Thank you Julia. I appreciate this. Forums can be difficult because as one member remarked, actual text can be misinterpreted or not understood as intended. Words and tone are important. Blessings to all....
HH, you have never seen an avatar of Julia. Someone put that gorgeous picture of Blessed Mother holding the infant Jesus surrounded by Angels on because I did not have a clue how to do that. I see another post answering your question as to what Lough Derg is. Another description from somewhere else was it is Saint Patricks purgatory on earth. It is supposed to be the hardest pilgrimage on earth. Personally, I could have gone and enjoyed it as a holiday. They allow you black coffee with sugar, and dry bread. The coffee was gorgeous, and I am a tea drinker. The bread was delicious, I could have pigged out on it even without butter. Maybe years ago they were stricter; but for me it was my infirmity that was the main challenge. I suffer from fatigue and exhaustion with vasculitis. So the physical challenge was my purgatory. And I suffered for some days after on account of pushing myself too hard in order to complete the required prayers and walking, as well as being up all one night. One of the challenges is walking around about six circles of stones on uneven ground, praying all the time certain prescribed prayers. After I did that part and completed the task, I went down to the smoking room (yes they have one) and what a shock and embarrassment to hear that half a dozen pilgrims had been shadowing me scrambling around the six or so circles of stones because they were convinced I would fall and hurt myself. For God's sake I said to them (other smokers) are you telling me you were shadowing me instead of saying your prayers. I would never want to spoil someone else's pilgrimage, and was totally unaware of those people concentrating on me instead of their prayers. That is just one story from the pilgrimage that will always remain with me.
I completely agree with you Beth B. When I first started posting it soon became clear that what we write can be misinterpreted in ways we never thought possible, and had to start thinking how could this or that be twisted out of context (from my point of view). Anyway hopefully I have been able to develop a waffle technique in a form that is clearer even if it takes more words to articulate the simplest observation. Another strange thing, to let you in on a little secret; I had lost interest in the forum a couple or more years ago, for reasons best left forgotten, and found other fields of interest. It was all Mac's (Luke) fault coming back. As it turned out, a year after he died God rest his soul, and he was not a particular member of interest to me to be honest. But one Sunday after receiving Holy Communion, it was soon after Christmas I thought of Mac, and one special prayer he recommended after Holy Communion, based on the Magnificat which incidentally I do say, and I thought why am I thinking of some stranger on the internet and wondering how he is. Well lo and behold I came back in to see how he was and found out he had died the previous year. He was a very holy faithful Roman Catholic man, he had influenced me while he was still here on earth, so for whatever reason God decided to use Mac to draw me back here on the forum. I'd have to be kicked off now otherwise risk Mac interfering with my prayers after receiving Holy Communion. He wasn't a man to tackle in life, who would want to take him on now he has wings and a way to spot us wherever we are in the world. God rest his soul. Why I don't know. But God must have a reason, and Julia is always up for the challenge. So let us be happy and good and let God do the worrying. That is what Fathers are for.
OK. I have to walk on rice paper here to keep my promise to you, and risk drawing down the wrath of the mighty overseers here on the forum. So to start with, I don't know if you are a protestant, a pagan, an easily influenced individual who might be corrupted by my opinions about the person on the video and her alleged messages. There are actually two individuals involved in this explanation. Please bear with me on this. Anyway. The lady on the video held weekly prayer group meetings some years ago and would receive alleged messages from Our Lady. I used to watch the prayer group held at her own local parish and joined in the Rosary over the internet. All seemed ok, there was no warning from the earthly side of things at parish level until a message came that there would be a sign in the future comprised of 'Two Suns would appear on the Horizon.' After that message all hell broke loose, and the Bishop ordered this lady to stop publishing her messages. She obeyed, and to this day we never hear a peep out of her. Sometimes old videos show up on You Tube, I posted one such video at post #11, because there was a relevant mention of locked Churches on that video for discernment. This lady's Bishop did not pronounce pro or con, he just said stop making the messages public. I used to listen to the messages and wonder if they were really from Heaven, and all that goes with these things. On a separate subject......... You may or may not know there was ANOTHER supposed messenger called Maria Divine Mercy. I had heard of her too, and used to have a read of her messages. A few times I saw that this persons (MDM) messages were the same as messages I had read from other seers or locutionist's (locution is when you hear a message like on a phone without seeing anyone), and I thought is God giving identical messages to different people to confirm the messages? I did not really know what to think. Then I came across an article that said, some people who received messages from Heaven had been annoyed to hear some of their messages had also been published on Maria Divine Mercy site. In other words God had not given MDM the same message; MDM had stolen some messages, published them on her site and claimed God had given the messages to her among her many messages. It is called plaguarisation (spelling?) or in other words theft of intellectual material. I knew The two suns prophesy had originated with the lady in the video, because I happened to be watching the night the message was given. And when I saw that message published on MDM site, along with reading the article about messages being copied by MDM, the penny dropped. MDM was a fraud. This has since been confirmed by MDM's Bishop, and we can't give MDM any credibility. She is a fraud. The scandalous outcome to what MDM did was when she was rightly condemned, all the messages on her site were condemned with her. As you can imagine, because she had stolen intellectual property on her site belonging to other sincere recipients, their alleged messages were condemned, and I would be referring to this in post #13, I think. I hope this clarifies for you what I had written, and hope you are able to avoid being corrupted by hearing old news about modern prophets. If I spot anything that further needs clarifying, I will edit. Fingers crossed there is enough here to answer your question. God bless.
Thank you Julia...what a beautiful story! I am equally influenced by the good and holy souls here. I’ve learned so much. It’s such a comfort to be in a community of people of faith especially as the world is increasingly losing faith and the influences are anti God. People of faith need to stick together as we are under constant attack by those who deny Christ. I’m equally comforted that we are the ones with the truth...in the end...God wins. What we do on earth will follow us into eternity...regardless if those who oppose us believe that or not. Thank God!
Thanks Julia.. Ill just drop it here ... no need to continue on. Hope your Easter was as peaceful and blessed as mine was.!!
I spent more time than I should in that smoking room. It was a damp night and I was chilled to the bone. I'm not sure to this day that I finished all the exercises. I think I got it wrong at the start and had to do a little improvising . I couldn't eat the bread, so it was crackers for me (appropriately). I spent the two days doing catch-up. I kept reminding myself that the Lord loves a tryer. Hope I'm right about that. I think there may be one-day pilgrimages now, possibly including food. I might check into that next year. Where unapproved prophets are concerned, I think it's the poorly catechised who are most at risk of being led astray. I think Luisa Piccaretta appeals to some new age types, possibly due to the proliferation of unapproved translations of her writings. The MDM types tend to gather a following of devout Catholics who will eventually obey the Bishop's decision. Trouble is that by the time the Bishop issues a negative decision, it can be too late to undo the damage. I often see MDM quoted on Catholic websites by people who haven't checked whether she had Church approval. Maybe they don't know that there are procedures and guidelines for discerning the authenticity of private revelation, or maybe they don't care. Either way, the false messages continue to be spread around the world. Sometimes the messages are quoted by people whose first language evidently isn't English. I'm pretty sure that MDM had a book of messages published in Spanish. Sure, the devout Catholics who took heed of the Bishop's warning against MDM and other false prophets suffered no harm. What responsibility, if any, do they have to the people who are unaware of the Bishop's ruling, or who think he must be a bad Bishop to not see that the messages are from God? Are those devout Catholics their brother's keeper? And how can they undo any harm caused by their being unwilling to wait for Church approval before helping the false prophet garner a following of believers? They can surely scoff at stupid uncatechised Catholics, Protestants or Pagans now, but will they be scoffing on judgement day? I don't know but I wouldn't want to find out the hard way. I'd really appreciate it, Julia, if you would post that prayer you got from Mac (May God rest his soul). I recall when he put it on the forum I wanted to print it out but my printer was banjaxed. By the time I got a new printer I didn't remember that it was Mac who had posted it and I couldn't find it. I remember thinking that it was one of the most beautiful prayers I had ever seen. God bless. I'm editing this post to add that I think that there were other issues with the lady in the video you were discussing. It wasn't just that the Bishop didn't like her messages. I won't go I to detail but I'm sure an internet search will produce some more info about it.
