Does anybody know if the 10 secrets received by the medjugorje visionaries are all the same or are there up to 60 different ones?
Hi Border Collie - Here is an interview that Vicka had with Fr. Janko that I copied from the MedjugorjeToday.TV site. I've found this site to be very helpful and provides a lot of insight into the events going on in Medjugorje. Fr. Janko: “Are those secrets the same for each of you?” Vicka: “They are and they aren’t.” Fr. Janko: “And how is that?” Vicka: “Just so. The main secrets are the same, but perhaps some of us have a secret which applies to us alone.” Fr. Janko: “Do you have such a secret? Vicka: “I have one. It is for me alone, since it concerns me only.” Fr. Janko: “Do the others have any such secrets?” Vicka: “That I don’t know. It seems to me that Ivan does.” Fr. Janko: “I know that Mirjana, Ivanka, and Marija don’t have any since they told me. I don’t, however, know for little Jakov. He didn’t want to answer me on that point, while Ivan said that he had three which concern him only.” (7) ”None of my secrets are secrets that relate only to me. The secrets are for the entire world”, Mirjana confirmed on September 13th 1998, during a Q and A session at the Chicago Marian Conference. (8) Here is a link that goes into the some of the information that is known about the nature of the secrets: http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/background-7/the-10-secrets-2/ Enjoy!
When I see the look on the face of Mirjana, during the apparitions, it seems to me she is carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders. She has to be very strong,...I don't know how some people can say they don't believe.
I completely agree with you, Sunburst. Us believers are certainly in the minority of this world though or, at least, that is the case where I live. I can honestly say that there are very few people in my life that share my belief in Medjugorje so it is nice to be able to share this with other believers on this forum. I talk about Medjugorje or Garabandal, even with Catholics, and you'd think I was from another planet. Jaws practically drop, faces go white . In fact, I was spilling it all late last year to someone here at work (after the U.S. election) and within a few months, she's up and left the department after many years being here. Makes me wonder if I scared her off. She's someone that questions the existence of God but married a guy that grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school all the way through high school. I was hoping though that maybe planting a seed would start things stirring in her soul. Instead, I think she may have ran because she doesn't want to leave her world of depending on herself. My husband is another one. He knows that I follow the events in Medjugorje and believe the prophesies of Garabandal and, at one point, it was very concerning to him to the point he said he wouldn't have married me had he known (hurt very much and I still remember but I know he doesn't feel that way anymore). He now understands though that I won't preach to him or try to convince him to believe as well. We are all at different levels of our own spiritual growth. I pray for our mutual spiritual growth so that we can grow together, no division. He is more moved by going to adoration and reading the Bible where Mass, the Rosary, Medjugorje, etc. speak more to me. Maybe the difference is that I am more visual and he has better reading comprehension than I do. It could be because he is an engineer and needs more concrete proof than I do. Maybe it's because he is a man and I'm a woman and women's intuition plays a part. Don't know. I just know that my goal is simple; faith like that of a child and try to be an example even if I stumble here and there. Be patient with myself and others.
Tina, we have so much in common, I love reading your posts, and guess what ? Today I am beginning the Total Consecration to the Blessed Mother,...I know what it means of the total self giving,...but I am ready because,....Mother knows best I on the other hand I am married to a Catholic man who denies his faith and the existence of God,.. imagine being married to a man who claims his own deceased mother has no soul. Well that is my cross I have to accept and pray that in the end he will not lose his soul. So I won't say any more on that. I also don't preach because thats when the attacks come. I like this forum and think it is a good place to be with like mined people who understand the condition of the world being grave,,.,where as for a lot of people,...it's business as usual,..
That is a cross to bear, for sure, Sunburst! Hang in there, sister ! Hopefully, something will speak to him eventually. For all of those that are in our lives that words or even example won't change their minds or hearts, we pray the prophesies of the Warning are true! A good wake-up call is needed for some hearts. While it will be difficult for all, it will be for our eternal good. I am happy to hear you are consecrating yourself to Our Lady as well! She knows the sorrows of your heart and she will intercede and console you in the meantime, I'm sure. Keep the faith and your chin up and just keep loving your husband! I'm sure Jesus is accepting your suffering for the good of his soul as well. While some souls aren't on their own deserving of the mercy, our suffering helps them to get to Purgatory, at least. It gives me hope and a reason to fast and kneel to pray when my knees are telling me to sit and rest. I'm no saint but I'm trying to convert and accept suffering for others.
Tina and Sunburst, I could have written the something very similar myself. My husband too believes the bible but doesn't believe in the apparitions. He too needs concrete proof. And who said, I won't preach that's when the attacks come? You could have been me. The forum is a relief on so many levels for all the reasons you describe
Thanks for sharing, Freedom! Yes, this forum is a relief for me too. I just let my husband know that I have been on it about a week ago. He hasn't said anything but I know he has concerns about me becoming too engrossed in it. For the most part, I'll have to keep silent about it to avoid causing any conflicts or concerns. So, I may not be able to respond as quickly as others but I will when I can. With really very few occasions I can talk to someone about Medjugorje or any other prophesy, there are times when I wonder why I believe in Medjugorje. Why I'm not like others that can just go to church, live a good life, follow the Church and not concern myself with the prophesies. It is a tough cross to bear just believing. So, I know that God understands this suffering so it's offered up. Even if any of the prophesies turn out to be false, I'm a better person for believing so that may be God's plan for my conversion.
We must be kindred spirits Tina. My faith was renewed last year, I've posted about it at the time, my husband got very nervous. Probably rather unfairly I tell him he's my cross to bear. I dont mean that harshly but sometimes it hurts because I cant share this with him - we share everything else. I believe Mary brought me back, she's my handle to God. I very much like the idea of consecrating myself to Mary, although I don't think I'm good enough. And Thank you Mary's Child, I must believe you're right because otherwise I worry very much.
Sorry to butt in here but I wanted to tell you a story that might help, an idea or some hope. I had a good friend (now deceased) who was a very good Catholic and came with me to Medjugorje twice. His four children were all lapsed but he loaned one of his daughters a booklet about the Divine Mercy. Her husband, who had no religious background at all, became very angry when she showed to him and said that he was not having her becoming a religious fanatic like her dad. She told him that she was just humouring her dad and he accepted this but having read the booklet several times she became convinced that she had to start practicing again, but was fearful about telling her husband. She knew that this was not going to 'go down well' and asked her dad to pray for her. She kept the booklet in a drawer in her bedside table and read it when her husband wasn't about but noticed one night that it had been moved from the back to the front of the drawer. She replaced it and realised that he was either just regularly moving it or he was reading it. Eventually she said that she was going to go to Mass each week and, to her astonishment, he asked if he could come with her. He admitted that he had read the booklet several times because the face of Jesus on the cover was so appealing and he and wanted to know more. His business was in trouble at the time and, at his first Mass, he asked Jesus to prove that he loved him by sorting things out. He told me himself that within hours a former partner got in touch to offer him a deal that resolved almost all his problems and the rest were all sorted out within weeks. He took instruction and became a wonderful Catholic who was especially drawn to Fatima.
Thanks for sharing, Steve! I love hearing stories like that. God is definitely working in my husband but in a different way. I'd love to be able to share my belief in Medjugorje and Garabandal with him too. Like Freedom said, we share everything else and are on the same page the vast majority of the time but just get stuck here. It's tough when it feels like it's woven into your heart but your spouse doesn't share the same belief. I will take your advice and track down a Divine Mercy booklet. I probably have one somewhere in the many booklets I have. Maybe I'll put it under his pillow at night.
Freedom - I have been there. My husband reacted similarly when I started seeking more fervently in 2001. He was downright mean. We don't talk about it but I'm pretty sure he regrets it which is why he avoids getting upset with me about my beliefs now. I am careful to not be over zealous about religion with him and he is careful not to trample on my beliefs. With prayer, kindness, no judgement, etc., your husband will, at least, start to see the fruits of your conversion. Read Steve's post and take the advice. Regarding consecration, are any of us good enough to be consecrated to Jesus through Mary? The answer really is 'no' but she is asking us to do it anyway. We are her imperfect children and she loves us very much. She'll gently lead us to her Son. If you don't feel called to consecration, at least consider reading 33 Days to Morning Glory. If nothing else, it's a good way to start your day for 33 days. Two messages for you to ponder: February 2nd 2013 “Dear children! Love is bringing me to you – the love which I desire to teach you also – real love; the love which my Son showed you when He died on the Cross out of love for you; the love which is always ready to forgive and to ask for forgiveness. How great is your love? My Motherly heart is sorrowful as it searches for love in your hearts. You are not ready to submit your will to God’s will out of love. You cannot help me to have those who have not come to know God’s love to come to know it, because you do not have real love. Consecrate your hearts to me and I will lead you. I will teach you to forgive, to love your enemies and to live according to my Son. Do not be afraid for yourselves. In afflictions my Son does not forget those who love. I will be beside you. I will implore the Heavenly Father for the light of eternal truth and love to illuminate you. Pray for your shepherds so that through your fasting and prayer they can lead you in love. Thank you.” Annual Apparition To Mirjana - March 18, 2009 "Dear children! Today I call you to look into your hearts sincerely and for a long time. What will you see in them? Where is my Son in them and where is the desire to follow me to Him? My children, may this time of renunciation be a time when you will ask yourself: 'What does my God desire of me personally? What am I to do?' Pray, fast and have a heart full of mercy. Do not forget your shepherds. Pray that they may not get lost, that they may remain in my Son so as to be good shepherds to their flock." Our Lady looked at all those present and added: Again I say to you, if you knew how much I love you, you would cry with happiness. Thank you. She loves all of us this way; not just those present at this apparition, I am sure of that.
At the time a non catholic marrys a catholic within the Catholic Church. Something happens.. God declares the non Catholic holy. This is in the Gospels.. So that their subsequent children will be holy. God also sees us as being of the one. A man must leave his family and cleave to his wife etc. What God has put together, let no man asunder. There is also reference to believer and unbeliever married. The believer merits the graces for the non believer, God sees them as one. No more worrying.. Also, God will never be outdone in generosity. As you pray for His family to come back to him and conversions everywhere. Do you think that our good God would forget about your needs/concerns? Absolutely not. I have complete confidence in God where my family is concerned. I simply pray for all Mother Mary's intentions so that she can use my prayers for whatever she wants. I know that she won't forget my family either.
Oh such wonderful posts. Thank you Steve, Tina and Mary's Child. I am sorely tempted to begin consecration with Tina on April 10, the day we go to Medjugorje. What a great start, how could I fail? I will be following Potatosacks thread. Actually, someone posted an excellent article about Our Lady of All Nations a couple of weeks ago. I asked my husband to please read the article, just because he loved me and wanted to appease me. I knew the political slant of the prophecy would appeal to him. I promised I wouldn't discuss it with him unless he asked me to. He read it. For hours he said nothing. One of the last thing he said before he went to bed, "I don't want to discuss it with you, I don't know what the 5th dogma is, and I don't want to know. But it was interesting what she said about China..." I've just been playing the "loud noises" videos to my husband. The one posted in the woods scared us both. Maybe we'll scare him into conversion?!
Mary's Child, you have much wisdom and such beautiful faith! I really enjoy reading your posts. No more worries. Thank you for your response!
Hi Tina...as I have mentioned in another thread...I feel the same way as you do concerning your paragraph here. Glad I am not the only one.
Concerning the secrets of the visionaries I read where Ivan was asked if all of his secrets will occur in his lifetime and he responded yes. He's in his late 40's so that gives us another time frame. God Bless!
