Some Troubles in Dublin

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  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

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    Some Troubles in Dublin






    Fr. Gerald E. Murray

    Sunday, January 17, 2021

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    The Archbishop-Elect of Dublin, Dermot Farrell, gave an interview to the Irish Times soon after his appointment had been announced by the Holy See. (Click here for a transcript of the interview.)
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    The new archbishop declares himself in favor of women deacons and married priests. He does not find in the Scriptures an argument against the ordination of women to the priesthood. He calls the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality merely technical. He also says he has no problem with the private blessing of rings for divorced and remarrying couples and for homosexual couples (though he finds public blessings problematic because people often misconstrue them as actual marriages).

    Amid so many other troubles, the Irish Church appears to be headed for more rocky days.

    Farrell’s treatment of Church teaching and practice regarding homosexuality, for example, is dismissive: “It’s a technical description. People misconstrue that then because it is technical theological language.” He considers amending this technical language, because “I think Pope Francis has discussed that (removal). It came up at the last Synod.”

    Really? Farrell is referring to this teaching of the Catechism: “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” (CCC 2357)

    In common parlance, calling language in a document “technical” can mean that it is unintelligible or is commonly misunderstood by the uninitiated, and is there to serve some arcane or legalistic purpose. Its removal is desirable but may be difficult to do if sticklers, purists, or legalists object. Better just to ignore it and treat it as a dead letter, as in “Technically speaking that is true, but. . .”

    To describe the clear, unchanging, and unchangeable teaching of the Church on the inherent immorality of homosexual acts as technical language that could, and even should, be dispensed with is plainly a rejection of that teaching.

    The rejection of homosexual activity, and the homosexual lifestyle, by faithful Catholics, however, is not a misconstruing of “technical” language found in the Catechism. Those who want the Church to embrace and bless the homosexual lifestyle object to the language of the Catechism not because it is misconstrued by clueless people who think it means that no one should engage in homosexual acts because, being intrinsically disordered, they are immoral. Rather, they object because the language is easily and correctly understood to mean just that. The problem for them is not the allegedly confusing words used, but rather the clear meaning of those words.

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    Archbishop Farrell, in response to a question about blessing rings for divorced and remarried couples and for same-sex couples, says:

    The difficulty with blessings is that they are very often misconstrued as marriage. Priests have given these blessings in the past. I remember one colleague of mine. I had said to him – he used to have this ceremony of the blessing of rings – I said to him I don’t have a difficulty with blessing rings if you’re doing that here in the house but if you go out into the public domain, in a church, and bless rings as you see it. . .they turned up with 200 people and they saw it as a marriage. Sometimes people use that phraseology. . .you’re into confusion there. It can be misconstrued as “yes, the priest married us.” Blessings are always going to be misconstrued and that’s where the difficulty arises because once you start blessing things like that people are going to construe that as a marriage. We can’t have that sort of situation in the Church because it creates all sorts of problems in terms of our own teaching and these teachings of the church have been constant.

    Leaving aside the question of blessing the rings of divorced and remarried couples, what exactly are we to understand is the meaning of blessing the wedding rings of same-sex couples, whether in private or in public? Is it a misconstrual to consider that the priest who does such a blessing approves of the relationship that the homosexual couple has entered into (which is a counterfeit, pseudo-marriage), and asks God’s favor and approval upon that relationship as symbolized by the rings?

    The Modern Catholic Dictionary defines a blessing thus: “In liturgical language a blessing is a ritual ceremony by which an authorized cleric in major orders sanctifies persons or things to divine service, or invokes divine favor on what he blesses.” The dictionary’s entry on rings states: “Conferring the ring is an integral part of the marriage ceremony to signify the mutual love of husband and wife, and wearing the ring symbolizes their pledge of marital fidelity.”

    The main problem with blessing wedding rings of a same-sex couple is not that people will become confused and think that the priest was actually marrying them. No, the main problem is that a priest who does such an unholy act is giving the impression that God will favor what He has condemned. Same-sex “marriages” are not marriages in any way, shape, or form. It’s a gravely sinful relationship in which two men or two women pledge to sodomize each other. No blessing should ever be invoked by a priest upon this unnatural relationship nor upon the pirated symbols of the holy estate of marriage.

    Archbishop Farrell says: “I don’t have a difficulty with blessing rings.” If that’s true, what he does have is a more fundamental difficulty: God has warned shepherds who mislead their flocks into paths of sin and error that they will be held accountable. Let us pray that the new Archbishop of Dublin will forswear his comments and reaffirm the Church’s actual teaching and practice.


     
  2. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    He'll be a big hit with the media.
     
  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It troubles me most that the Vatican put him in there.

    Sigh.

    Things have gotten so bad I am tempted not even to think about these things anymore. But I suppose there is a Duty of Care to warn people. But if people have not woken up by this point will they ever wake up?

    Words fail me. It horrendous. The Dermot Farrell's of this world make Martin Luther look good.

    I'm not exaggerating. Martin Luther was a lot, lot closer to being a good Catholic than Dermot Farrell. I repeat this arch heretic would not be taking over Dublin unless the Vatican and Pope Francis gave him the nod.

    Things really, really are just that bad.

    May God heave mercy on us all.

    Pray, pray, pray. Is it any wonder that Covid infections are spreading more rapidly in Ireland than anywhere else in the World?

    'NOT LONG ago, Ireland was winning praise for its response to the pandemic. An early lockdown and strict social-distancing measures meant that, as much of Europe was gripped by a second wave of the virus in the autumn, cases in Ireland remained relatively low. The picture today is very different. Cases of covid-19 are surging, hospital admissions are rising and intensive-care units are nearing full capacity. The country, once a covid success story, is now contending with one of the worst officially recorded infection rates in the world.'

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...f-the-worlds-highest-covid-19-infection-rates

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  4. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Between the weak shepherds and the heretical shepherds and the left wing corrupt government I feel like crawling into a hole and sleeping for 10 years. Every day it gets worse.
     
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  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Well to cheer us all up Mary.

    Happier days.:):)

     
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    We are very deep into the apostasy now and the darkness of it--we are hurtling toward some great ultimate clash between Our Lady and the forces of darkness. I've used this analogy before--its like being on a runaway horse. All you can do is hang on and avoid falling off and pray he is headed for the barn. (This happened to me as a child--very vivid memory) Our Lady is coming--God will s this to be her victory according to Sister Lucy. And she has promised in other apparitions especially Our Lady of Good Success. So we really do have to "pray hope and don't worry" but the only way I can do thaT is stay very connected to Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and to Our Lady with the Rosary. If I let up even a little bit these days I start to slip slide. Poor Church in Ireland. Poor Dublin. Praying.:cry:
     
  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I feel like this, too, maryrose.
     
  8. AED

    AED Powers

    Yep.
     
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  9. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Today’s homily was about keeping the 10 Commandments. It was so very old fashioned!!! Wow! And the deacon delivered it.
    And in the bulletin, our pastor stressed Eucharistic Adoration. My husband and I recently joined the parish within whose boundaries we live. We love it. Such a good priest there. May God help us all to find each other and stay together.
     
  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I would say that the good Catholic is always positive because the Victory is already won.

    On the other hand I would not like to be taken for an idiot either. I would say that many, many Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals crawling about the planet at the moment are true creatures of hell

    No doubt about it.

    They might just as well have horns under their skull caps and hoofs under their silk robes.

    No wonder they banned Holy Water and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. They were afraid of
    bursting into flames.
     
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  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Good use of imagery here. I give this an A+.
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    They are no longer hiding under the Stones. They are Ascending the Thrones. Tails and all.
     
  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

  14. Indy

    Indy Praying

    This was sent to me this evening, but I don't fully believe it.


    "
    Please let us pray !!!
    Some revelation from the Most High must have had Pope Francis!
    The Pope asks priests to open the doors of their churches and invite the people to pray the Holy Rosary and pray intensely before the Tabernacle. He asks us to go to our nearest parishes or Church.
    He alerted the world saying: "Wars, famines, are latent; the evil one is among us ... To stop his plans, we must pray to God to pour out his Mercy on the world and that the Holy Spirit enlighten the rulers to be aware of good and evil and fight together for peace and love. "
    He also asks priests that the Eucharist be simple and loving.
    Pray, pray, pray. "We will all unite in prayer every day. Wherever you are in the world, at your preferred time, drop everything and pray 3 times the Our Father and 3 Hail Mary.
    Prayer for God to send his Holy Spirit on earth.
    IF YOU CAN SHARE THE MESSAGE AMONG YOUR LOVED ONES. AMEN !!
    It just came straight from the Diosecis.
    I share it..
    Send it to your groups ..., please. !!

    "
     
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Well, we can still pray, believe it or not.
     
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  16. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Yes, we can offer the prayers. I have my doubts that he requested opening the churches. There's no mention of that on the Vatican News website: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church.html
     
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  17. AidanK

    AidanK A great sinner

    Some times when a person achieve.s high public office, the enormity of the responsibility moves them to moderate their personal opinions. One can hhope this willl be the case with Farrell. Any way he will be subservient to Eamon Martin of Armagh. Eamon and i were class mates in Maynooth and my hunch is that no radical change will occur under Eamons watch
     
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Keep us posted!
     
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  19. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    I am always dubious of messengers who feel the need to use multiple exclamation marks.

    !!!!!!!!!
     
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :)
     

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