Hi all. Not sure where to put this, this seemed the most likely thread. I got here by googling 'Maria Divine Mercy Ireland' because I am concerned about a relative, who I will call R, who has been avidly following these messages. I took a look from time to time but was constantly put off by the sensationalism and tabloid style of the website. There was never a feeling of peace there. Also every other message raised red flags for me. Whenever I would point these out R would always say, oh these concerns were raised by others and Maria has issued a clarification/explanation. On one recent occasion I was reading the messages just to see what R was getting into when I had the most horrible, creeping feeling. I can't even remember what the message said, I don't even think it was the content. I knew I had to shut the page and pray. Since then of course we have had Benedict's resignation, occurring to the day and hour one year later of one of Maria's messages predicting his having to flee Rome. You are all probably aware that MDM's followers now take this as proof positive the messages are genuine. During the Conclave I spoke to R on the phone. R told me this next Pope is not a true Pope and that the 'Peter the Roman' part of Malachy's prophecies means the See of Peter has been returned to St Peter, to Heaven. When I tried to argue, R went quiet on me and wouldn't engage or debate. Reluctantly I returned to the MDM website to see what was going on and found a recent message telling followers not to debate with those who profess to 'know my Word' but to remain silent. Yikes! There was also a message saying the very observant would see the Pope perform some act of disrespect or desecration towards the Blessed Sacrament during his Inaugural Mass and I think there was something about the Warning taking place before this Good Friday. I hot footed it back out of there. I have had a good read of a thread about MDM here on this website though I can't find it tonight. I could see lots of you have concerns about it. I think we have a wonderful Pope in Pope Francis but in some respects I see him in these first days, when he has been the darling of even the media, a bit like Jesus on Palm Sunday, adored by all, but we know how that week ended!
If the Medjugorje visionaries start to speak favorably of Vassula Ryden's messages, I too, will regretfully have to throw out all the messages, books, and literature about Medjugorje. If you do a quick internet search on TLIG, the Church's position is clear....steer clear of this woman's writings. As for Father Petar and Father Jozo, I am imagining that because they have been away from the village of Medjugorje for several years now, they are gravitating into some dangerous territory. We all get off track sometimes. I may ask someone who has contact with Mirjana to address this valid concern. May the Holy Spirit guide us and lead us.
Well it is sad Krizevac about your relative, but on the other hand it is good news that things seem to be coming to the boil there. If she promised that the Warning would happen before Good Friday and when nothing happens.. and when the Pope does not misbehave himself a mass. The false seems to fall and the good remains. I think this is a house that is just about to fall.
I hope you're right Padraig but I suspect there will be yet another clarification/explanation. I just hope I can help R see this stuff is poison.
I'm sorry jimmyiz ,I dont have any copies of what I posted a few years ago , after so long I delete things to free up space ,is their an archive section on the forum ,maybe it could still be on their ,if their is one , so jimmyiz ,I'm very sorry i cannot help , due entirely to freeing up space ,
Mary ann, vassula has not been condemed by the church , i have official copied documents with vatican official numbers attached to the letters ,which clarify when pope john paul 11 was pope , that their was a very happy relationship going on , between vassula ryden ( true life in god messages ) and pope john paul 11 , this was all in the hands of the congregation of the doctrine of faith , under which our former beloved pope Benedict xv1 ,but then was cardinal ratzinger , its true that the vatican asked for further information from vassula ,and she replied fully to all the questions that was asked of her , the doctrine of the faith were happy with the responces ,from vassula , pope john Paul 11 as given vassula ryden a blessing on a number of occasions , a number of years ago ,it was cardinal ratzinger then ( c.d.f. ) who gave permission for forewords to be attached on the inside of true life in god books of messages ,signed by cardinal ratzinger plus four other cardinals , vassula ryden as not been condemed by the Vatican ,and also not been condemed by either pope john paul 11 or our former pope benedict xv1 now pope emeritus , in regards
NOTIFICATION ON VASSULA RYDEN (6 October 1995) Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Many bishops, priests, religious and lay people have sought an authoritative judgement from this Congregation on the activity of Mrs. Vassula Ryden, a Greek Orthodox residing in Switzerland, who in speech and in writing is spreading in Catholic circles throughout the world messages attributed to alleged heavenly revelations. A calm, attentive examination of the entire question, undertaken by this Congregation in order to "test the spirits to see whether they are of God" (cf. 1 Jn 4:1), has brought out-in addition to positive aspects - a number of basic elements that must be considered negative in the light of Catholic doctrine. In addition to pointing out the suspect nature of the ways in which these alleged revelations have occurred, it is necessary to underscore several doctrinal errors they contain. Among other things, ambiguous language is used in speaking of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, to the point of confusing the specific names and functions of the Divine Persons. These alleged revelations predict an imminent period when the Antichrist will prevail in the Church. In millenarian style, it is prophesied that God is going to make a final glorious intervention which will initiate on earth, even before Christ's definitive coming, an era of peace and universal prosperity. Furthermore, the proximate arrival is foretold of a Church which would be a kind of pan-Christian community, contrary to Catholic doctrine. The fact that the aforementioned errors no longer appear in Ryden's later writings is a sign that the alleged "heavenly messages" are merely the result of private meditations. Moreover, by habitually sharing in the sacraments of the Catholic Church even though she is Greek Orthodox, Mrs. Ryden is causing considerable surprise in various circles of the Catholic Church. She appears to be putting herself above all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and every canonical norm, and in effect, is creating an ecumenical disorder that irritates many authorities, ministers and faithful of her own Church, as she puts herself outside the ecclesiastical discipline of the latter. Given the negative effect of Vassula Ryden's activities, despite some positive aspects, this Congregation requests the intervention of the Bishops so that their faithful may be suitably informed and that no opportunity may be provided in their Dioceses for the dissemination of her ideas. Lastly, the Congregation invites all the faithful not to regard Mrs. Vassula Ryden's writings and speeches as supernatural and to preserve the purity of the faith that the Lord has entrusted to the Church. Vatican City, 6 October 1995. Taken from: L'Osservatore Romano Weekly Edition in English 25 October 1995, 12. L'Osservatore Romano is the newspaper of the Holy See. The Weekly Edition in English is published for the US by: The Cathedral Foundation L'Osservatore Romano English Edition P.O. Box 777 Baltimore, MD 21201 Subscriptions: (410) 547-5380 Provided Courtesy of: Eternal Word Television Network 5817 Old Leeds Road Irondale, AL 35210 www.ewtn.com
Medjugorje Norman, I just want to discern. I don't want to make anybody feel bad. Discernment is hard and it takes both fasting and prayer. The document I posted above is enough for me to say good-bye to Vassula, but if other people find her information helpful, that is their choice. As for the seers of Medjugorje, if they at some time approve of Vassula, I think that would create enough of a distraction for me that I would say good-bye to Medjugorje. The letter I posted above doesn't go into the disturbing messages of Vassula's "marriage" to Jesus, but that to me is very controversial.
I have done a reply to your post about vassula ,but sadly its appeared somewhere else , the Vatican hasn't condemed vassula , I have official Vatican copies of letters ,sent between the vatican and vassula ryden , either way ,copies of letters , the vatican asked for further information from vassula , which she replied fully back to the Vatican ,the Vatican were happy with her reply in full ,vassula as not been condemed by the Vatican ,vassula as been given a blessing off pope john Paul 11 on a number of occasions ,the official copies of letters I have ,were sent to the c.d.f., and the reply letters from the c.d.f. all have the official Vatican numbers stamped on them ,vassula as never been condemed by the Vatican ,a few years ago ,cardinal ratzinger gave permission for wording to to be placed at the front of true life in god books of messages ,cardinal ratzinger signed it ,plus four other Vatican cardinals also, I feel the website that you may have gone on in regards vassula ryden ,is not ,the website officialy of true life in god , but its very likely ,a website that as wrong and mis information on it , if you want more information , in regards vassula ryden and the c.d.f. ,the Vatican as the letters , ill end now ,by wishing you a very good and peacefull night ,god bless you .
Mary Ann ,don't worry ,we are living in a time of confusion , people can say things without knowing the real truth ,pray to the holy spirit , we are gods children after all , when the warning comes ,everything will be revealed , we have a great pope ,Mary Ann , let us all be joyfull for him ,Mary Ann i will offer up a rosary for you at mass , Mary Ann will you offer up a rosary for me , god bless you ,and may our ladys most holy angels protect you allways ,god bless you, from medjugorje Norman .
Mary Ann ,the long post you did ,with the addresses at the bottom ,was the pre document released by the c.d.f.,this was released before ,the Vatican then asked vassula to clarfy certain things in regards to the messages, Mary Ann theirs been other statements since the one you've brought to peoples attention ,did you not know about this ,these are the Vatican letters I have copies of , these letters have the official Vatican stamp on them ,and official Vatican numbers , these letters are from the c.d.f. to vassula , and also letters from vassula to the c.d.f.,were she answers all the questions fully , the Vatican are happy with her replys , Mary Ann please dont be affended ,but the long letter you brought to peoples attention , was not the vaticans final answer in regards the messages of true life in god and in regards vassula ryden , the c.d.f. have produced further documents ,which i have copies of , which are favourable to vassula ryden , by the c.d.f., the reason cardinal ratzinger put the forwords at the front of the books of messages of true life in god , together with four other cardinals signatures , it was the c.d.f. who gave her permission to do this ,this occured only a few years ago ,so this proves ,the vatican is favourable to vassula ,her position as changed ,since year 1996 , when you brought to peoples attention the outdated c.d.f. issued in year 1996 . Vassula hasn't been condemed ,
Norman, if your mission is to back up the priests, why are you going against our priests and bishops their word of warning about Vassula? You have said here "people do not realise, how God works, they judge people outright and condem them, before praying for disernment, in regards to knowing the truth." Are we to assume you know better than us on 'how God works'? I for one have judged visionaries, not because I believe I am judge, but becasue I believe in what Jesus says first. Jesus, our God, has warned us to stay on our guard to be aware of false prophets. So I choose to listed to Jesus 'above' anyone! This time last year, I believed in ALL apparitions. If you told me Mary was over there and doing somersaults, I would have believed. Today I am wiser. Why? Maybe it is because I offer up my mind for 'spiritual knowledge' everyday at the alter before mass. Since doing this the Good Lord. Our God. The Lord Jesus Christ has led me to see so much more. I for one put all my faith and trust in Jesus Christ our Lord before ANYONE! It is Jesus who is the light and the truth. Amen! "Jesus, I turst in You."
Please do not think poorly of me, Medjugorje Norman, but this official document is from 2007 and the situation didn't change in Vassula's favor. CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH CIRCULAR LETTER TO THE PRESIDENTS OF THE EPISCOPAL CONFERENCES REGARDING THE WRITINGS AND ACTIVITIES OF MRS VASSULA RYDÉN From the Vatican, 25 January 2007 Your Eminence / Your Excellency, The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith continues to receive requests for clarification in relation to the writings and activities of Mrs Vassula Rydén. These requests address in particular the import of the Notification of 6 October 1995, and the criteria to be considered by the local Church in judging whether the writings of Mrs Vassula Rydén may appropriately be disseminated. In this regard, the Congregation wishes to state the following: 1) The Notification of 1995 remains valid as a doctrinal judgment of the writings examined. 2) Mrs Vassula Rydén, however, after dialogue with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has offered clarifications on some problematic points in her writings and on the nature of her messages which are presented not as divine revelations, but rather as her personal meditations (see Vassula Rydén: Letter of 26 June 2002, published in True Life in God, vol. 12, XXI-LI). From a normative point of view therefore, following the aforementioned clarifications, a case by case prudential judgment is required in view of the real possibility of the faithful being able to read the writings in the light of the said clarifications. 3) Finally, it remains inappropriate for Catholics to take part in prayer groups established by Mrs Rydén. Concerning the question of ecumenical meetings, the faithful are to follow the norms of the Ecumenical Directory, of the Code of Canon Law (canons: 215; 223, ' 2 and 383, ' 3) and of Diocesan Ordinaries.Thanking you for your attention and with sentiments of esteem, I am Yours sincerely in Christ, William Cardinal Levada Prefect
Mary Jane ,I am not against priests ,like you are now trying to say ,i am just replying to the information that you have put forward ,the declaration from the c.d.f. in year 1995 ,isn't up to date information concerning vassula ryden and the messages of true life in god ,since the above information that you have quoted their as been further contact between the c.d.f. and vasdula ryden ,your information is not up to date with present contact between the c.d.f. and the messages of true life in god and concerning vassula ryden ,I am doing nothing wrong in regards church teaching ,I am for priests ,unlike what you are now saying about me , I am just pointing out the facts to you ,but you seem ,you don't want to know the truth or have anything to do with the truth ,if you still dont believe what I am saying to you ,please get in touch with the vatican yourself and the c.d.f. ,as it seems that you are trying to mislead people into your wrongfull belief in regards Mrs vassula ryden ,all I am doing in responding to your post , is informing you that you are not using up to date information , also you state about getting rid of your medjugorje books ,why are you bringing medjugorje into all of this ,it doesn't make scence ,I know medjugorje is true ,and so do many millions of more people ,I am not trying to cause confusion ,but your information is misleading other people ,into believing false information ,peace be with you. 1272"]NOTIFICATION ON VASSULA RYDEN (6 October 1995) Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Many bishops, priests, religious and lay people have sought an authoritative judgement from this Congregation on the activity of Mrs. Vassula Ryden, a Greek Orthodox residing in Switzerland, who in speech and in writing is spreading in Catholic circles throughout the world messages attrhavebibuted to alleged heavenly revelations. A calm, attentive examination of the entire question, undertaken by this Congregation in order to "test the spirits to see whether they are of God" (cf. 1 Jn 4:1), has brought out-in addition to positive aspects - a number of basic elements that must be considered negative in the light of Catholic doctrine. In addition to pointing out the suspect nature of the ways in which these alleged revelations have occurred, it is necessary to underscore several doctrinal errors they contain. Among other things, ambiguous language is used in speaking of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, to the point of confusing the specific names and functions of the Divine Persons. These alleged revelations predict an imminent period when the Antichrist will prevail in the Church. In millenarian style, it is prophesied that God is going to make a final glorious intervention which will initiate on earth, even before Christ's definitive coming, an era of peace and universal prosperity. Furthermore, the proximate arrival is foretold of a Church which would be a kind of pan-Christian community, contrary to Catholic doctrine. The fact that the aforementioned errors no longer appear Subscriptions: (410) 547-5380 Provided Courtesy of: Eternal Word Television Network 5817 Old Leeds Road Irondale, AL 35210 www.ewtn.com [/quote]
I prayed about this last night to Our Lady, Norman. I think I would be happier leaving Vassula alone till the Church says directly it is alright to read her. I am not criticising you or any one else for reading it. I can see you believe what you are doing is right. But I would very uncomfortable with it till I am sure the Church approves.
This is first I've seen these messages. I'm not sure I'll delve into them since I've enough going on in my head already. My impression though when reading the few I have read is that they seem very 'intimate', if that is the right word for it. I can't really understand it, it confuses me. Does anyone else find that?
I too must stress that God works through obedience! That's how He has always worked even with His Son Jesus. If anyone is disobedient to the Church I RUN away from them. Disobedience is what demons love to see, and then pride infilters the person, and then they and they alone think they have the key to God's knowledge. Its and OLD tale and it started with Adam and Eve and a Serpent.
I think the key to understanding Our Lady is her humility first and the obedience that sprang like a flower out of the soil of her humility. Mary said, 'Yes' to the angel and so the Incarnation took place. But I understand too that at the present time even very good, obedient holy fellow Catholics get confused and I sympathise , having made plenty and plenty and plenty of mistakes myself. I think we just have to pray to Mary to guide us, to be our Star of the Sea.
