Countdown to the Kingdom

No comprende. Every Catholic must know what the True Magisterium is. I offered the means of study in order to differentiate between the Truth of the Body of Christ and that which has been and is still being created via abuse of power that uses for its sword personal opinion and slimy purposeful false teachings to the flock. You haven't recognized those attempts yourself....those now publicly chastised by such as Archbishop Vigano whose latest communications have been displayed w/ great approval on this forum?? You instead tell others not to "presume" to know (we have the duty to know) while you take on some self proclaimed authority to state who is in "heresy". I doubt if your own "pay grade" is sufficient for such personal judgements.

Pardon me a moment while I find my flak jacket for any following "incoming".

 

ETA,

You wrote,

"We are receiving messages.." From whom are we receiving messages? From among the various seers on "Countdown to the Kingdom?"

Do we have to honor the public pronouncements of bishops, even when we believe they reflect the bishop's personal opinions?
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You are in serious, serious error here. This is not a Catholic position. You go too far. The Church has laid down that the Diocesan Bishop gives Final Discernment , no one else.

Your post here is not a Catholic position. It appears to me Protestant.

Corruption and Heresy whatever in the Church is irrelevant. As Jesus said we obey those who sit in the Chair of Moses. In this case it happens to be the Local Diocesan.

I advise thought, prayer and and a Retraction.

Beware. This particular ship is fast sinking. Beware that ,drawn into a False Loyalty, you do not go down with it.

The Disciple is never greater than the Master. Hence we have Hierarchy.

 

There has been no Church "Final Discernment" given by any bishop with the authority to do so. There has been no Church mandated commission of study begun by any bishop formerly connected to Fr. Michel. That itself would not be the usual protocol anyway while any alleged mystical experience continue. And that is what is ORDERED by the Church to take place in order to make any final statement. Therefore nothing has been condemned. And now that authority has been relinquished by that bishop. Instead they have decided on no longer any kind of formal association with the priest. He remains a priest in good standing and his religious fraternity founded under the authority w/ the approval of its constitution by the bishop, also remains in good standing and continues its building. The bishop did not order it dissolved....and that is what itself was created out of the alleged mystical messages given to the priest. His alleged mystical experiences including messages have not been condemned......only disagreed with within the personal opinion of the bishop/s who does not himself accept such ideas of the current and future time, the end time and beginning of new era, which the Church itself accepts. And that is the difference as ordered by the Church in its protocol for such things. Fr. Michel has been obedient and communicated what the Bishop had stated that he wanted done re: his opinion about what is contained within the alleged messages.

I cited the very faithful and obedient to the Faith, Archbishop, Vigano, who has recently pointed out the same as I have expressed. He speaks of the now open intention of an institutional church within, now accepting of the smoke of Satan, that is more in cooperation with the New World Order, Deep State. That new creation is therefore man made and a surreptitious organization of certain individuals within the whole. No different than Pope Paul VI spoke of decades ago....infiltrating into the hierarchy. Our Lady tells us to stay with the "True Magisterium of the Church". She herself then speaks to other false teachings that we are warned to be aware of as the apostasy within exposes itself to the world now.

I don't mean to argue. I am truly stating what the Church herself mandates for the one with the authority to act, which he himself must adhere to. Now there is no authority to do so in this case as it has been relinquished, cutting all connections, while things continue as they have been created.

 

What do you mean by "honor"?

 

I’m going to cut to the chase... you are clearly involved with the countdown site or contributors in some way. You write as if you have more authority on these subjects than anyone and post information that is nowhere else. I get that Father M is the cash cow but is he really worth committing heresy for?

 

How nasty! And "fake news" to boot. I wasn't aware that there was a "chase"!

"posted information that is nowhere else"??? I always give the source.....and from decades old at that. Easily found if anyone is really interested in finding the explanations they seem to demand.

 

“.....he is not under the authority of one or the other bishop currently while remaining a priest in good standing as is his fraternity. That decision wasn't of his making.....it was done by the authorities who left Fr. Michel in his current position.”

Where’s the source?

 

The cttk followers are under the biggest deeppest most profound deception I have seen in history of the church. The fall of these people will be very painfull. But i think they will not go back. They will somehow institute another church based in their seers. I saw this a long time ago. You must not be naive with Satan. He can imitate God with the perfection of evil.

 

Rather, are YOU stating that the bishops have not relinquished all connections to this priest.....only via mail/post as stated by the bishop himself? And are YOU stating that Fr. Michel is NOT a priest in good standing? Or that his religious fraternity does not continue w/o any order otherwise or it being dissolved or is NOT in good standing as well? Remember, the bishop himself approved the continuing constitution and has not since ordered otherwise. He has not issued any other statement that would state otherwise. Unless YOU have acquired such a statement!! There is thus no disobedience. In fact Fr. Michel reiterates a sincere hope for some continuing collaboration with the bishop/s although they have left him alone. Actually the "experience" here is not too different from such cases of other chosen ones of mystical experiences throughout the history of the Church. One example is Father Joseph Kentenich of the "Our Lady Thrice Admirable" devotion or the Schoenstatt Movement. He was thrown out of Germany and had to come to the U.S. That humiliation actually turned out to be a blessing since from there the movement spread all over, to other countries.

Schoenstatt Shrines by country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoenstatt_Apostolic_Movement#Schoenstatt_Shrines_by_country

 

My, with all of that foreknowledge, you must be some type of "seer" yourself.

 

Where is this false Magisterium? The only person I know who brings messages about true and false magisterium is Pedro Regis, who lately was saying that nobody in the church has authority over him. I heard this face to face. On the blog of that theologian Ron Conte Jr you can find an update about this. He was advised about this big problem.

 

I never stated anything about a "false Magisterium". Only that the remnant must stay with the "True Magisterium" of the Church. And of course that doesn't originate with me!

 

You said that the decision making wasn’t his but that contradicts the letter from the bishop saying Father Michel renounced his pastoral responsibility.

Btw - you still haven’t answered where “the truth of Christ” comes from if not the Catholic Church

 

Where I live there are thousands of seers. You have no idea. All of them have websites and followers. None are known by cttk. All of them are somehow instituting another church. Satan is very smart.

I am with the church until the end. If the church make mistakes and you follow the mistake, God can not jugde you about this. It is more safe than do what you are doing. In fact you are puting your soul in the abiss following seers instead the institutional church.

 

the real institutional church will be forever with the true magisterium.

 

IOW, Fr. Michel simply obeyed the Bishop. "Renounced" just seems to be an effective term for simply doing what the bishop asked re: the contracted parish positions that he had been given under the bishop....for a limited time period. And if you've kept up with the history, that had to be done earlier as well when he was switched to other less time consuming pastoral responsibilities that enabled him to carry out the building of the 2nd monastery which he was asked, allegedly, by God the Father to hurriedly build. The bishop seemed then to quickly cooperate with that request!

And I wouldn't ask Fr. Martin your other question....and he should be more representative, by his position, than I would be.

I'll take a breather.....can't seem to keep up with the barrage of questions and/or insinuations coming my way.

 

Yes, that's more like it. And that is likely to occur within the tested and purified "remnant" Church as spoken to by Benedict XVI.

 

Aww but you have an answer for everything. It’s been fun though!