The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. torrentum

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    Bob Dylan, who was pre-Woodstock, despised the hippies. The concert didn't actually take place in Woodstock-it was so named because that's where Dylan was living at the time. Although the hippies were in awe of him, Dylan didn't reciprocate the feelings and pointedly did not feature at the concert. Many of these hippies used to try and invade the Dylan family home in Woodstock and Dylan is on record as complaining of contemporaneous New York State gun laws, which forbade him to shoot them. Ironically, he's outliving most of them too.

    They're a pathetic generation, but in being so they still managed to appropriate for themselves an enormous amount of the wealth and power they pretended to reject. They won't be able to con Death or what Comes After.
     
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    I suspect that until a couple of weeks ago this heretic was happily chuffed in expectation that his wishes were about to be realised. However, and thanks be to God, the authority that he would have been confident would have cleared the path for his proposal didn't do so. Maybe he, and the many like-minded colleagues in his order, should take off and found their own Teilhardian religion.
     
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    NCR can stand for both the National Catholic Register or the National Catholic Reporter. The National Catholic Reporter is very liberal in their views and I personally avoid.
    Fr. Collins whom does sermons on Sensus Fidelium refers to them as the National Catholic Distorter.
    The National Catholic Register is the one associated with EWTN.
     
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    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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    If this news report is true; what in God's name are the children going to be exposed to in school. God help the parents, it was bad enough having our now adult children indoctrinated with Marxist Theology without our knowledge and consent; and watching them walk away from the Faith of our Fathers. This generation are being indoctrinated in the belief that their reproductive organs are there for entertainment and recreational enjoyment without responsibility.

    The next attack on God's creation is total defiance of our reason for being. We were taught we were created to know, love and serve God. Now read and gulp! And it alleges Pope Francis is right up there with those who demand the right to Refuse to Serve God. I say Who Is Like God. Saint Michael come to our aid. We need a leader like you Saint Michael, we are helpless on our own, no matter what these destroyers of Gods beautiful creation may claim.

    https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2020/02/new-humanism-advocates-freedom-from-god.html
     
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    NCR is NOT the paper of EWTN. It is the National Catholic Reporter, which is heretical.
     
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    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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    Please don't forget to have a read of the link about freedom from God, the new alleged plan for us Catholics after 14th May this year. The Jesuit Priest Fr Thomas Rees is just another rent-a-gob. IMHO
     
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    This is more on the Global Education Pact

     
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    Yes, the original article that the Jesuit tweeted about came from the National Catholic Reporter:

    A modest proposal: Spread the priesthood by eliminating clergy | National Catholic Reporter

    By the way, wasn't the National Catholic Reporter asked to remove the word Catholic from their paper?
     
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    How many roads must a man walk down before he can evolve into God? The Teilhardians are still counting but the answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.
     
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    Maybe the papacy could be taken up on a job share basis. Oh, wait...
     
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    Hey, if they long for God's heart, who am I to judge.
     
  14. Dolours

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    Looks like the big event is a victim of Covid-19. The launch has been put back to November. https://twitter.com/EdwardPentin/status/1234224147888320515

    Any chance all those big hearted billionaires will throw in some free advice on tax avoidance for the great unwashed?
     
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    My guess would be as far as the Sacrament of Confession is concerned we will be going down the Protestant road of, 'It's between you and your God, what doyou need a priests ofr?'

    ...and is far as sin is concerned the REAl sins will be things like cromes against the Environment, having too much money, being intolrent of Gosys, anywhing the New York Times doensn't like , God doesn;t like kind of thingy.

    But in any case even truly evil crimes like being intolerant of evil , don't sweat it God's got your back.
     
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    The true sin appears to be believing that there is such a thing as Good And evil. Rather than believing everythings Relative, whats the problem?
     
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    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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    Ha, not a chance. They might spend some time gloating about it between press conferences about their huge contributions to shaping society through their philanthropic endeavors however.
     
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    A friend of mine absolutely bristles in anger every time I have ever brought up the subject of confession. I pity him, that sacrament has freed so many of bondage and mental anguish including myself. For some reason, it is almost impossible for some to grasp the significance of priesthood because I think all they can comprehend is the irredeemable fallen man rather than the authority granted them by Jesus to forgive. Lord I believe, help my unbelief!
    Short of a miraculous Grace granted by God in it's absence I just can not imagine the healing that results of it any other way especially given the state of a vast portion of humanity today.
     
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    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...ry-of-state-manipulated-francis-on-china-deal

    Cdl Zen: I have evidence Vatican secretary of state ‘manipulated’ Francis on China deal
    'Given ... the intelligence of His Eminence, it is difficult for me to believe he was deceived, and more probable he wanted to deceive others,' Zen wrote in an open letter.

    HONG KONG, China, March 2, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — Chinese cardinal Joseph Zen said he has “evidence” that Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s secretary of state, “manipulated” Pope Francis regarding the secret deal between China and the Vatican.

    “Given, however, the intelligence of His Eminence [Cardinal Parolin], it is difficult for me to believe he was deceived, and more probable he wanted to deceive others,” Zen, the former bishop of Hong Kong, wrote in an open letter published on his website.

    Zen reacted to a letter written by Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, who was made dean of the College of Cardinals by Pope Francis in January. His first official communication in his new position was a letter to all cardinals, in which he heavily criticized Zen for his opposition to the deal between China and the Holy See.

    According to Re, “the expression ‘independent Church’ cannot be interpreted in an absolute manner, as ‘separation’ from the Pope, as it has been in the past.”

    Zen replied that the change of meaning of the word “independence” exists “only in the mind of His Eminence the Secretary of State, caused perhaps by a faulty translation of the Chinese by a young clerk of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples.”


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    This clerk, Zen continued, had some responsibility for at least ten errors in the translation of the letter Pope Benedict XVI had sent to Catholics in China in 2007.

    In this context, Zen expressed his suspicion that Cardinal Parolin willfully wanted to deceive Pope Francis. “The facts are these,” he repeated. “I have evidence that Parolin manipulated the Holy Father, who always showed me great affection, but never responded to my questions.”

    Cardinal Re also mentioned that Zen had affirmed “several times that no deal would have been better than a ‘bad deal.’”

    “The last three Popes did not share such a position and have supported and accompanied the crafting of the Accord which, at the present, appeared to be the only one possible,” Re added.

    In his response, Zen pointed to the interview book Last Testament, written by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and Peter Seewald. Asked about the “Ostpolitik” of Pope John Paul II, Benedict said the plans of Cardinal Agostino Casaroli had failed.

    The new direction of the Polish pope resulted from his personal experience and contacts with communist governments, Benedict explained. John Paul thought being conciliatory and accepting compromises was a mistake. Instead, he wanted to oppose communism forcefully.

    Benedict confirmed to Seewald that he shared the vision of Pope John Paul II.

    Zen further questioned Re’s claim that the deal had been approved by Pope Benedict XVI. “It would have been sufficient to show me the signed text, which even to this day I have not been permitted to see,” as well as the evidence of the archive.

    Re said he had seen the draft of the deal in the archive, which he claimed was approved at the time by Benedict.

    “It would just be left to explain why it was not signed, then,” Zen added.

    Cardinal Zen offered some additional subtle criticism.

    “I admire your courage in venturing into issues that you also recognize to be ‘complex,’ jeopardizing the prestige of your newly begun honorable office. But it is known that today there is a vice Pope who manages to encourage all servants of the Holy See,” he wrote at the beginning of his letter.

    Zen encouraged Catholics in China “to withdraw to the state of the catacombs, without opposing any injustice; otherwise they would end up losing more.” If Chinese Catholics cannot in good conscience join the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, the “official church” in China, they should stay underground, he said.

    Until recently, the popes had condemned the “official church” in strong terms.

    “In recent years, for various reasons, you, my brother bishops, have encountered difficulties, since persons who are not ‘ordained,’ and sometimes not even baptized, control and take decisions concerning important ecclesial questions, including the appointment of bishops, in the name of various State agencies,” Pope Benedict wrote in his 2007 letter.

    “Consequently, we have witnessed a demeaning of the Petrine and episcopal ministries by virtue of a vision of the Church according to which the Supreme Pontiff, the bishops and the priests risk becoming de facto persons without office and without power.”

    Before Cardinal Zen’s own response to Cardinal Re, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò had already come out in support of the Chinese bishop, calling Re’s letter “ignominious and shameful.“

    Like Zen, Viganò is convinced that Pope Benedict did not approve the agreement between China and the Vatican. “We all know of his strenuous resistance and repeated disapproval of the conditions imposed by a persecutory and bloody regime,” Viganò said.

    He summarized the actions of the Vatican during the Francis pontificate as delivering “the Chinese Martyr Church into the hands of the Enemy.”

    “It did so by signing the Secret Pact; it did so by legitimizing excommunicated ‘bishops’ who are agents of the regime; it did so by the deposition of legitimate bishops; it did so by forcing faithful priests to register with a church that has succumbed to the Communist dictatorship; it does so on a daily basis by keeping silent about the persecutory fury that has gained unprecedented strength, precisely since the signing of that unfortunate Agreement.”

    “It is now doing so with this ignoble letter to all the cardinals, which is aimed at accusing you, denigrating you, and isolating you,” Viganò told Zen.

    In a video interview last February, Cardinal Zen explained to LifeSiteNews the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association “has always been objectively schismatic” and remains that way, “but with the blessing from the Holy See.”

    At the time, he said of Cardinal Parolin, “I’m sorry to say, he is not a man of faith because he despises the heroes of faith.”
     
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    The Knights of Columbus send a traveling icon to their councils of Our Lady Hope of Persecuted Christians. Each participating council provides a prayer service with the icon in the sanctuary. Tonight we recited the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Rosary, sang Marian Hymns, and prayed for those persecuted Christians. It was very uplifting and well attended. I did especially pray for Cardinal Zen and all those persecuted Chinese.
     
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