The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Well said.
     
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  2. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Look on the bright side-remember Lost In Space.
     
  3. Sam

    Sam Powers



    The same thought crossed my mind.
     
  4. AED

    AED Powers

    The videos are really funny!!
     
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    Sam Powers

  6. HeavenlyHosts

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  7. Pope Francis ‘Angry’ over Manipulation of Meeting with LGBT Jesuit James Martin

    ROME — Pope Francis expressed his anger over the way a 2019 meeting with LGBT promoter Father James Martin was manipulated to convey apparent papal approval for his work, according to U.S. bishops who met with the pope earlier this month.

    Father Martin met with Pope Francis for a 30-minute private audience last September 30, which the Jesuit-run America magazine called “a highly significant public statement of support and encouragement.”

    “By choosing to meet him in this place, Pope Francis was making a public statement. In some ways, the meeting was the message,” the magazine declared.

    According to bishops from the southwestern United States who met with Pope Francis on February 10, the pope was upset over how the meeting had been played up to look like he was expressing support of Father Martin’s LGBT advocacy.

    One bishop who was present at the meeting said that Francis “made his displeasure clear” about how the meeting had been interpreted, Catholic News Agency (CNA) reported.

    “The Holy Father’s disposition was very clear; he was most displeased about the whole subject of Fr. Martin and how their encounter had been used. He was very expressive, both his words and his face — his anger was very clear, he felt he’d been used,” the bishop told CNA.

    Another of the bishops told CNA that the pope assured them that Father Martin and his superiors had been chastised over the way they conducted themselves.

    “He told us that the matter had been dealt with; that Fr. Martin had been given a ‘talking to’ and that his superiors had also been spoken to and made the situation perfectly clear to him,” the bishop said.

    “I do not think you will be seeing that picture of him with the pope on his next book cover,” the bishop added.

    A number of U.S. prelates have criticized Father Martin’s approach to LGBT ministry, suggesting that the Jesuit fails to challenge active homosexuals to live chastely.

    “Father Martin’s public messages create confusion among the faithful and disrupt the unity of the Church by promoting a false sense that immoral sexual behavior is acceptable under God’s law,” wrote Bishop Thomas John Paprocki of Springfield, Illinois shortly before Martin’s meeting with Pope Francis.

    Those who experience same-sex attraction need the Church’s support “in the Christian struggle for virtue, sanctification, and purity,” the bishop said, while Father Martin “either encourages or fails to correct behavior that separates a person” from God’s love.

    “This is deeply scandalous in the sense of leading people to believe that wrongful behavior is not sinful,” Paprocki said.

    For his part, former Philadelphia Archbishop Charles J. Chaput warned Catholics of a “pattern of ambiguity” in Father Martin’s approach to homosexuality.

    “Due to the confusion caused by his statements and activities regarding same-sex related (LGBT) issues,” the archbishop wrote in Catholic Philly, “I find it necessary to emphasize that Father Martin does not speak with authority on behalf of the Church, and to caution the faithful about some of his claims.”

    In the past, Archbishop Chaput had reproached Father Martin for failing to summon gay Catholics to “conversion,” rather than simply offering “affirmation.”

    What Father Martin’s book “regrettably lacks,” Chaput wrote in reference to the priest’s work Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity, is “an engagement with the substance of what divides faithful Christians from those who see no sin in active same-sex relationships.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/faith/202...ion-of-meeting-with-lgbt-jesuit-james-martin/
     
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  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Who knows?

     
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  9. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Right, who knows. The confusion continues. Like the old saying goes, 'a picture is worth a thousand words.' I could be wrong here, but Pope Francis did not look the least bit displeased in that photo op with Fr. James Martin. In fact, why were cameras present at this meeting at all if Pope Francis intended on giving him 'a talking to? One would think he would have banished the photographer. I do think Pope Francis has serious regrets about that meeting, and the Vatican PR machine is sweeping up another mess. Not sure how much longer this homosexual priest charade can go on. The priesthood is in shreds, good priests are suffering terribly, and the faithful cannot be fooled any longer. :(
     
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  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It reminds me of why during the Rite of Exorcism , the Exorcist is forbidden to have converse with demons.
    Lie to me once and I believe you , fool you.

    Lie to me twice and I believe you, fool me.
    I am afraid I do not believe a single word the Holy Father says. No, not even if he were to swear to it.

    Trust is lost.

    Totally, totally lost.

    2 Corinthians 11:13

    13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.


    He will say whatever it takes, to whoever it takes and whenever it takes.

    I don't believe a single, solitary word of it.

    He is simply saying what is convenient for him to say in a particular time and place. Truth is totally irrelevant.

    Look to what they do, not what they say.

     
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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    One can't avoid suspecting that PF is just up to his usual antics of telling different groups what they want to hear, on the basis of their particular beliefs. There are quite a few that say this is typically Peronist. As Padraig says, 'trust is lost'.

    I don't think this amount of deceit and confusion can be over-turned, not by mere human means. The best interpretation is a Bergoglian plague upon all our houses, in which he is unloading on everybody.
     
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  12. Byron

    Byron Powers

    They all agree the Church is hurting on funds. People are not giving like they used to.
     
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  13. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Well, PF is all for wealth redistribution. Let's give it to something other than the massively wealthy institutional Church. They should be happy with that.
     
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  14. djmoforegon

    djmoforegon Powers

    This is an interesting view of how Jews in Israel keep holy their Sabbath. This may seem legalistic to some but what a great way to give Our Lord and our families the attention they deserve.

     
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  15. Pope Appears to Give Thumbs Down to Trump's Mideast Peace Plan

    Pope Francis on Sunday warned against "inequitable solutions" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying they would only be a prelude to new crises, in an apparent reference to U.S. President Donald Trump's Middle East peace proposal.

    Francis made his comments in the southern Italian port city of Bari, where he traveled to conclude a meeting of bishops from all countries in the Mediterranean basin.

    "The Mediterranean region is currently threatened by outbreaks of instability and conflict, both in the Middle East and different countries of North Africa, as well as between various ethnic, religious or confessional groups," Francis said.

    "Nor can we overlook the still unresolved conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, with the danger of inequitable solutions and, hence, a prelude to new crises," he said.

    The participants included Archbishop Pierbattista Pizzaballa, the head of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem, whose jurisdiction includes Israel, the Palestinian territories and Jordan.

    It was believed to be the first time the pope, who has often defended both Palestinian rights and Israel's need for security, has spoken in public about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict since Trump announced the plan on Jan. 28.

    The plan would recognize Israel's authority over West Bank Jewish settlements and require Palestinians meet a series of conditions for a state, with its capital in a West Bank village east of Jerusalem.

    Although Trump's stated aim was to end decades of conflict, his plan favored Israel, underlined by the Palestinians' absence from his White House announcement with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at his side.

    The Palestinians and Arab League foreign ministers have rejected the plan and the Palestinian Authority has cut all ties with the United States and Israel.

    Palestinians, with broad international backing, want East Jerusalem as the capital of a future independent state, while Israel views the whole city its "united and eternal" capital.

    The pope expressed concern in 2018 when the United States announced the moving of its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, saying the city's "status quo" should be respected. Francis has called for all to honor U.N. resolutions on the city.

    "There is no reasonable alternative to peace, because every attempt at exploitation or supremacy demeans both its author and its target. It shows a myopic grasp of reality, since it can offer no future to either of the two," Francis said, speaking in general about the Middle East.

    Francis again warned against populist politicians who he said used "demagogic terms" such as "invasion" when talking of migration.

    "To be sure, acceptance and a dignified integration are stages in a process that is not easy. Yet it is unthinkable that we can address the problem by putting up walls," he said.

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/popefrancis-trump-mideast-peace/2020/02/23/id/955290/
     
  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Here is another uplifting video from Father Mark Goring.:love:+



    PS- We have some purple crocus in bloom in our yard on LI, they are such a beautiful sign that Spring is arriving very soon. Thank you God for these wonderful gifts.
     
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  17. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes! We have robins!!! Very early! Also the songbirds are singing in the morning. Early spring perhaps.
     
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  18. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    The signs of Spring are all around. Today I pulled my first bunch of daffodils from my garden. I also have snowdrops and primroses. It lifted my heart to hear the birds singing.
     
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  19. Mario

    Mario Powers

    No robins, yet. We still have 8 inches of ground cover. The earliest I've ever seen robins: Feb. 25; the latest: March 7th. And sometimes they sit around looking confused for a few days since the only exposed ground is that at the bases of trees and bushes. I can remember scenes where the cardinals, finches, and sparrows were feasting at the feeder while the robins sat in the trees looking puzzled!

    A great inspiration for fasting at the beginning of Lent!:eek::LOL:

    Safe in Mary's Arms!
     
  20. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    If anyone comes across the transcript of what Pope Francis actually said without the commentary on what he supposedly meant can you please post it? I am seeing a myriad of reports saying different things about this from various "news" services. I don't buy any of them are passing off anything more than opinion pieces as fact.
     
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