The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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  2. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    When we think that things can't get any worse, there's always some new low awaiting us: https://www.churchmilitant.com/news...e-freemasons-claims-pontifical-council-cleric

    VATICAN CLERIC CLAIMS CATHOLICS CAN BE FREEMASONS

    Masonic Grand Master hails pronouncement as breakthrough in reconciliation

    VIENNA (ChurchMilitant.com) - Eight popes over 200 years in a barrage of 20 legal interdicts have condemned Freemasonry, pronouncing automatic excommunication against any Catholic who becomes a member of a masonic lodge.

    Now, a new book by an official of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue is claiming that a practicing Catholic can simultaneously be a Freemason and that the penalty of excommunication may "certainly not" be applied to "Catholic Freemasons."

    Father Michael Heinrich Weninger launched his 500-page study Loge und Altar: Über die Aussöhnung von Katholischer Kirche und regulärer Freimaurerei (Lodge and Altar: On the Reconciliation of the Catholic Church and Regular Freemasonry) last Wednesday in Vienna, accompanied by Austrian Lodge Grand Master Georg Semler on the dais.

    Semler identifies as a "committed Catholic," while Weninger, ordained by Cdl. Christoph Schönborn in 2011, was outed as a Freemason when celebrating Mass at the consecration of the new lodge of Mark Master Masons No. 1954 in 2014.

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    A masonic communiqué informed its members that "Bro. Rev. Michael was installed and invested as Chaplain in each of the three lodges," adding that Weninger was "well qualified since he lives in the Vatican as a member of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue but works in Rome."

    Weninger says he has presented copies of his book to Pope Francis, to Schönborn and to high-ranking officials in the Roman Curia. Schönborn responded with "Nothing but goodwill," he bragged.

    Read the rest at the above link if you have the stomach for it. St. Maximilian Kolbe pray for us.
     
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  3. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    These last two posts have really shaken me up.
     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes St Maximilian Kolbe intercede for us! This is ghastly.
     
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  5. AED

    AED Powers

    Me too.
     
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  6. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Interestingly the article continues......

    However, canonist Edward F. Condon in his 2015 doctoral dissertation from the School of Canon Law of the Catholic University of America, observes that "the perceived benignity of the Lodge is immaterial since it is ... the underlying philosophy of Masonry which renders membership toxic to the Faith."

    Condon expresses shock at "the presumption of the authors" of the Lichtenau Declaration, which, he points out "did not address the central objection of the Church, through the centuries, to Masonry — that its very nature promoted religious indifferentism and a relativistic and secondary understanding of membership in the Church."

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    Fr. Weninger (R) featured on a Masonic website
    At the book launch, Austrian Grand Master Semler reiterated the Lichtenau Declaration point that Freemasonry is not a religion and has love of neighbor in common with the Church.

    But according to Condon, "even the basic initiation rituals of Blue Lodge Masonry, common to every rite and country, involve an at least tacit renunciation of the efficacy of one's baptism through the assertion that one has been 'long walking in darkness' and now 'seeks the light only Masonry can bring.'"

    The higher degrees of the Scottish Rite prevalent in American and Britain, "areas of supposedly benign Masonry, involve explicit denunciations of the pope and the Catholic Church," Condon reveals, elaborating:

    Should the [Mason] Apprentice continue, as is expected, to the rank of Master Mason, he will still further learn, and himself affirm, that the Catholic Church is an agent of spiritual and temporal tyranny which he should fight against and consider himself to be acting as God's agent in opposing. He will undergo another blindfolded and half-naked ritual in which he will simulate his own death and resurrection, and he will be taught that it is Masonry which will teach him to interpret Sacred Scripture instead of the Church.

    "There is solid canonical argumentation for considering the Masonic oath to constitute a graver offense than an explicit act of heresy," states Condon in Heresy by Association: The Canonical Prohibition of Freemasonry in History and in the Current Law.

    Semler is nonetheless hoping for an official gesture of reconciliation towards the Freemasons on the part of the Vatican, which could include a meeting between Grand Masters and Pope Francis, or even between Grand Masters and the CDF prefect.

    Weninger's book is based on his doctoral dissertation Über die Aussöhnung von Katholischer Kirche und regulärer Freimaurerei ("On the Reconciliation of the Catholic Church and Regular Freemasonry") completed at the Jesuit-run Pontifical Gregorian University in 2019.

    Church Militant produced a video and provided additional resources explaining why the Church has consistently condemned Freemasonry more than any other error in its history because it promotes indifferentism, naturalism, communism and other dangerous philosophies.

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    The following from the above article is very interesting, alerting us that this despicable book was first....... another doctoral dissertation from Jesuit-run Pontifical Gregorian University!.

    Weninger's book is based on his doctoral dissertation Über die Aussöhnung von Katholischer Kirche und regulärer Freimaurerei ("On the Reconciliation of the Catholic Church and Regular Freemasonry") completed at the Jesuit-run Pontifical Gregorian University in 2019.
     
  7. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Wolves in sheeps clothing. I hope and pray for their conversion because the way things are headed there is not much time left.
     
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  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

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    Bishop Schneider analyzes Pope’s Amazon text: ‘a glimmer of hope’ despite deficiencies
    Although Querida Amazonia’s stance on priestly celibacy comes as a relief, the document contains ‘lamentable doctrinal ambiguities and errors,’ Bishop Schneider writes in exclusive in-depth analysis
    Wed Feb 19, 2020 - 11:58 am EST | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b...n-text-a-glimmer-of-hope-despite-deficiencies
     
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  9. torrentum

    torrentum Archangels

    And me.
    But I’m thankful that the modernist mask has slipped, massively slipped.
     
  10. torrentum

    torrentum Archangels

    Pachamama, communion for all, and now Freemasons.

    I honestly never thought I’d live to see the day.
     
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  11. They that do the devil's bidding want to demoralize the faithful. Why is a married homosexual one of the leading contenders in the Democratic party to become president and another a communist, and another a billionaire in the United States? There is no way that normal people would advance such extreme candidates for president. The agenda is to demoralize the Christians so that we throw up our hands in disgust. Our only recourse is to prayer and more penance.
     
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  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    All we await now is the announcement of dialogue with satan. Accompaniment, at the very least.

    We have homosexualist infiltrators of the Church attempting to homosexualise Her, Marxist infiltrators attempting to communise Her, pagan infiltrators attempting to paganise Her and apparently we have Freemasonic infiltrators attempting to legitime themselves.

    It seems to me that there are very few Catholics remaining at this level of the Church.

    What we are witnessing is another terrible Passion being inflicted on the Body of Christ. Let us pray for a rapid Resurrection.
     
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  13. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It is not Bloomberg's billions that are the problem, but what he chooses to do with them. Remember that a billionaire championing the normal people, President Trump, has chosen to use his talents for the defense of the good. Bloomberg could have done the same, but has chosen not to do so. There lies the problem.
     
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  14. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    You can feel the evil accelerating. Freemasonry, Protestants receiving Holy Communion, it's all just crawling out of the woodwork. The Holy Catholic Church is under assault like never before. You are so right DeGaulle, a terrible Passion on the Body of Christ.
     
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  15. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Yes and yes.
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    Mr. Bloomberg has some baggage rattling around in his past. Some of his comments in public forums --about farmers and factory workers. About women. About abortion. About the elderly. He sounds very cold in a purely materialist utilitarian view of things. Everyone is expendable. The idea that we are made in the image of God is a foreign concept. Perhaps even a roadblock.
     
  17. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Do not like this man at all. He does not give a hoot about any of us. Empowered by his billions of dollars. He is so cold he is frozen in ice.
     
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  18. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I agree with you both about Bloomberg and the following may not come across so well but I'm going to post it anyway. Just a few years ago it seems that the possibility of a "Jewish" US President would have been unthinkable. In addition, just a few years ago the possibility of a US President who is homosexual (& Christian) would have been unthinkable too. So what has changed? I think the difference is that most people are only Jewish or Christian in name. Just look at all of the Democratic politicians who claim to be Catholic and yet they are fighting for late term abortion.

    I think, for the most part, I am simply stating what we all know already. That is, that most of the country and the world is far from God. I think that Conchita of Garabandal said in an interview that we lost the sense of sin and that was awhile ago. Boy was she right and look at us now.

    I couldn't help but think of all this when someone on the forum recently claimed that the owner (and creator) of a certain online news source is Jewish and the claims that the new source is anti-semitic don't make any sense, in so many words. But is this man a practicing Jew or is he a Bernie Sanders or Mike Bloomberg? I am not trying to throw stones at these men in particular because as I said I think that this is true for the majority of people right now. I wonder if things are at their worst but I am honestly not certain what was meant by that. I have often thought that it must mean when the world is on the point of destruction or possibly the Church is on the point of destruction but I'm not claiming to know. +

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    This is a funny little video that POTUS re-twitted today. You can access it here for a chuckle - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1230495013634637827 .

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    This one is funny too - https://twitter.com/alx/status/1230383901924904960 .

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    This one too - https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230515129877434368 even though it is from the Bloomberg campaign.

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    PS - I just heard on Fox that one of those "Space" companies will be offering 2 day trips to go fly out into space for 2 days and the cost will be in the 10's of millions of dollars the PR guy said. I hope that no one takes that ridiculous trip, I mean can't $ be spent in far better ways then millionaires and billionaires flying in space for 2 days? How about any one of the 7 corporal works of mercy? Things are just nuts sometimes.
     
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  19. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    I don’t know either Carol, but things are really ramping up. These politicians who use their faith to make the public think they are good moral people, are great deceivers. The further the world falls away from God, the closer we come to total destruction, and as it stands now the world has lost it’s moral compass. I see The Holy Catholic Church as the anchor of the world. When the Church falls, mankind is set adrift, opening the door to greater destruction.
     
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  20. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I agree completely Jo M. Thank you for stating the above so well.
     

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