You know whats strange about all this? Donald Trump is the only person I have ever heard any religious actually encourage their parish to vote for and it happened twice and both of them were Catholic priests. Trump is not alone, there are a whole lot of Catholic Americans who stand with him and he knows this. He has made some statements about Catholics in America and their contributions to this country. The Vatican is standing with the EU right along with all the traitors in our own midst in the US govt.
So, what happens when Pope Francis urges all Americans not to vote for Trump this year? Am I totally out of line to consider this? Because I don't know about you all but I could easily see him doing such a thing.
I think he will do this too. I can see this happening. What is brilliant, is we do NOT have to agree with the Pope on politics. The pope is not even American so go pound sand, in the most respectful way possible of course. The pope hates America. Not Americans per se, but America. I remember Fr. Langkit from the Cathedral in Phoenix spoke right before the last presidential election. It was a great homily and he was echoing the Bishop of Phoenix. He didn't name names but he indicated one "party" was promoting evil and one "party" was not. And that it was our duty to promote the Gospel even with our voting. I bet we will hear similar stuff as the year goes on from brave priests. BUt I am afraid the pope and the Vatican really, really do not like DJT.
I hope he knows that is a sure way to lose $$$. I think American Catholics--the real ones--might surprise him with some real resistance and backlash. Also to be frank I think DJT has a lot of info on bad actors in the Vatican and will not hesitate to go public. But who knows.
Blizzard also started a thread on this topic a few years ago, worth perusing again. http://motheofgod.com/threads/motus-in-fine-velocior-motion-accelerates-when-the-end-is-near.10539/
All of the conflicts swirling around were mentioned by Our Lady over and over, and even as recently as last Fall to Sr. Agnes in Japan. I am trying to double up on prayers and sacrifices because the battle does indeed belong to God, and He has already won it on Calvary. I am taking to heart to follow the 2000 year old Magisterium of the Catholic Church. I am not striving to undermine anything or anybody by my efforts, but hopefully Jesus and Mother Mary will use my prayers and good works as They see fit to aid in this battle.
1P5 Minute #22 - A Message to the Bishops & Cardinals of the Catholic Church - OnePeterFive https://onepeterfive.com/1p5-minute-22-a-message-to-the-bishops-cardinals-of-the-catholic-church/ 1P5 StaffFebruary 11, 2020 Today is the 7th anniversary of the announcement of the intention to abdicate by Pope Benedict XVI. In the following 7 years, the crisis in the Church has escalated exponentially, and during that time, one of the most notable things has been the absence of the majority of our bishops & cardinals in speaking out. Today, we make an appeal to our shepherds to lead their sheep. +
Apparently, Cardinal Zen still thinks that PF is not the problem 'The Vatican lost everything, got nothing': An interview with Cardinal Zen By Matt Hadro https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...-nothing-an-interview-with-cardinal-zen-80278 Washington D.C., Feb 15, 2020 / 06:00 am (CNA).- On Feb. 11, Cardinal Joseph Zen, emeritus bishop of Hong Kong met with Congressional leaders on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. After that meeting, the cardinal gave an exclusive interview to CNA in which he discussed the Church in China, the Holy See’s agreement with the Communist regime, and his relationship with Pope Francis and the Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin. The following is a transcript of the cardinal’s interview with CNA. It has been edited for length and clarity. Your Eminence, can you tell us about the situation of the Church in China? “More and more, the Church is under persecution [in China]. Both the official Church, and the underground. Actually, the underground is doomed to disappear. Why? Because even the Holy See is not helping. The older bishops are dying, there are less than 30 bishops left in the underground Church, and no new priests being ordained. “But we hope that [Chinese Catholics] can keep the faith in their families -- so we have to say, ‘back to the catacombs!’ “Even in the official church, the faithful are more and more controlled. On the top of the church they tell you to destroy the crosses, inside the church, they put the image of Xi Jinping—maybe not in the center, but in some place. Now they have to have the flag in the church, they have to sing the national anthem. “People under 18 years of age are not allowed into churches, not allowed in any religious activity. Christmas is forbidden, in the whole country. Even the bible should be re-translated, according to the Communist orthodoxy. So now we see more and more control on the Church, and there is a really a universal lamentation in the whole Church. “Now, I cannot contact directly anybody in China - it’s too dangerous for them. But sometimes people can come to Hong Kong, to see me and they cry, they say ‘what can we do?’ I say ‘What can I do for you? I can do nothing. I have no voice in the Vatican, simply none. You have spoken publicly against the Holy See’s relationship with the Chinese government, has this affected your relationship with Pope Francis? “The Holy Father Francis shows special affection to me. In interviews, they ask him ‘What about Cardinal Zen?’ and the Pope says ‘He’s a good man.’ …he says ‘maybe he’s a little frightened, his age…’ I say my age? I’m old, I’m 88, but the age helps me not to have any fear. Because I have nothing to gain, nothing to lose. “The situation in China is very bad. And the source is not the pope. The pope doesn’t know much about China. And he may have some sympathy for the Communists, because in South America, the Communists are good guys, they suffer for social justice. But not the [Chinese] Communists. They are persecutors. So the situation is, humanly speaking, hopeless for the Catholic Church: Because we can always expect the Communists to persecute the Church, but now [faithful Catholics] don’t get any help from the Vatican. The Vatican is helping the government, surrendering, giving everything into their hands. “So I’m—I can sincerely say that I am not—I think the pope is okay. But I’m fighting [Cardinal Pietro] Parolin Because the bad things come from him. From him. He’s still so, so, so optimistic about the so-called ‘Ostpolitik’, the compromise. But you cannot compromise: they want complete surrender - that’s Communism.” Your Eminence, after the 2018 agreement between the Holy See and China on the appointment of bishops, members of the underground Church seem to have come under renewed government pressure, has this been your experience? “I think the most evident case is about the one bishop in Fujian, Bishop Guo. “Now, they legitimize seven illegitimate bishops -- schismatic bishops, excommunicated bishops. But it happened that, in two of those seven dioceses, there are also two legitimate underground bishops. [Rome] asked them to step down. Now both stepped down, okay? But the one in Fujian was promised that he would be recognized as auxiliary bishop, downgraded, but still bishop. So he accepted. But then…[the Chinese authorities] say 'no, we have not yet recognized you as bishop. You have to sign the document.' And the document says, ‘I have accepted the independent Church.’ Guo said no, I cannot sign that, so he’s not yet recognized as a bishop. “Now, recently, the news came that he is on the street, because they said 'your building is not safe. It is against the fire regulations.' “I said that may be an exaggeration, that he is on the street. But actually it’s true, because the government doesn’t allow anybody to accept him. Now in that diocese, the underground Church is of 80% of the priests and faithful in the diocese. The official Church only has a small number of priests, and the bishop, who was the real bishop, is now not even recognized as an auxiliary. It’s terrible. “So [in this deal] the Vatican lost everything, and got nothing. I cannot understand why they would do such thing. I’m sure that the Pope has the good intention to gain some space, some breathing space, and maybe one day you can get something better. Okay. But Parolin, the Secretary of State, he knows very well who the Communists are: there’s no way to bargain with the Communists, you get nothing. “I always say, can you imagine St. Joseph going to bargain with Herod to save the infant Jesus? No way, no way. He just wants to kill him.” (emphasis in red is mine -SgC) +
I think Cardinal Zen is right not to make Bergoglio the issue. The latter doesn't deserve that much attention, which would only make it a distraction. PF is already more than enough of a circus, because his dearest wish is to be the centre of all attention. This is about the betrayal of Cardinal Zen's flock. He's looking for help, not to lay blame, which can be done later, at our leisure.
The same week that Sec. of State Mike Pompeo spoke of China possibly giving money/making deals with various US governors and leaders from around the world, Cardinal Zen states that the Vatican got nothing for the deal with China. I can't help wondering if that may not actually be the case.
Cardinal Zen: Vatican Is ‘Giving Everything’ to China’s Communists ROME — Cardinal Joseph Zen said this week that the Vatican seeks compromise with China’s Communist Party (CCP), but they want “complete surrender.” Zen — the former bishop of Hong Kong — has been a vocal critic of the Vatican’s rapprochement with the CCP, insisting that Pope Francis is “naïve” in dealing with a country he knows little about. In September, 2018, the Vatican signed a secret agreement with China regarding the appointment of future Catholic bishops in the country. The provisions of the deal have never been made public but Vatican observers unanimously assume that the Holy See yielded some authority in the naming of bishops to the CCP. “The pope doesn’t know much about China. And he may have some sympathy for the Communists, because in South America, the Communists are good guys, they suffer for social justice,” Zen told Catholic News Agency (CNA). “But not the [Chinese] Communists. They are persecutors.” “So the situation is, humanly speaking, hopeless for the Catholic Church: Because we can always expect the Communists to persecute the Church, but now [faithful Catholics] don’t get any help from the Vatican,” he said. “The Vatican is helping the government, surrendering, giving everything into their hands,” Zen said. Last December, Cardinal Zen said that Pope Francis’ policies in dealing with the CCP are “killing” the underground Church in that country. “Unfortunately, my experience of my contact with the Vatican is simply disastrous,” the cardinal said, noting his particular distress over the Vatican’s deal with Beijing over the naming of bishops and a subsequent Vatican document allowing Catholic clergy to register with the state-run pseudo-church. “A secret agreement, being so secret you can’t say anything,” Zen said of the deal. “We don’t know what is in it. Then the legitimization of the seven excommunicated bishops. That’s incredible, simply incredible.” “But even more incredible is the last act: the killing of the underground,” he said. “Now they finished their job,” the cardinal said in reference to a document bearing the title “Pastoral guidelines of the Holy See concerning the civil registration of clergy in China” regarding Catholic priests enlisting in the state-controlled Catholic Patriotic Association (CPA), which does not recognize the authority of Rome. The document offered Chinese clergy the opportunity to register with the CPA in good conscience as long as they specify that they are acting without failing in their duty “to remain faithful to the principles of Catholic doctrine.” While hastening to insist it “understands and respects the choice of those who, in conscience, decide that they are unable to register under the current conditions,” by explicitly authorizing membership in the CPA, the Vatican has removed its support for those who do not wish to do so. This last act is “simply incredible,” Cardinal Zen said. “The document says, ‘To minister openly, you need to register with the government.’ And then you have to sign. To sign something in which it says that you have to support the independent church.” “The document contains something against our orthodoxy and they are encouraged to sign,” he said. “When you sign, you accept to be a member of that church under the leadership of the communist party. So terrible, terrible.” The next time I see the pope, “I’m going to tell him ‘you are encouraging a schism. You are legitimizing the schismatic church in China,’” Zen said. “Incredible.” https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020...an-is-giving-everything-to-chinas-communists/
The Communists may yet pay. The Coronavirus is an 'Act of God'. Even Xi isn't immune. And his people might yet turn on him.
True. I cant help wondering if this got away from them--escaping into their own population before they had planned for it. I also wonder about the role of the globalists in this.
Not only the Vatican. Poor weak clowns are everywhere. Seems they have too much time on their hands. As an aside....reminds me a bit of ALF's adopted earthly father!! ‘I Have White Advantage, Male Advantage, Straight Advantage’ – Woke Archbishop Brands Own Church ‘Racist’ The Church of England’s most prominent cleric, Justin Welby, said he is “ashamed of our history” and of his supposed advantages as a straight white male. The Archbishop of Canterbury was speaking ahead of a vote by the Church’s General Synod to apologise for racism, and to “lament, on behalf of Christ’s Church, and apologises for, the conscious and unconscious racism experienced by countless black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) Anglicans in 1948 and subsequent years”. 1948 was the year the Empire Windrush ship landed hundreds of Caribbean migrants in Britain, firing the starting gun on a wave of mass migration to the kingdom from its former empire which continues to the present day. “I am almost beyond words. Personally, I am sorry and ashamed. I’m ashamed of our history and I’m ashamed of our failure,” Welby said of his Church’s “conscious and unconscious racism”. “It’s shaming as well as shocking. It is shocking, but it’s profoundly shaming,” he continued, somewhat redundantly, in a speech which even he described as “incoherent”. “I have white advantage. Educational advantage. Straight advantage. Male advantage… I’m not ashamed of those advantages; I’m ashamed of not knowing I had them,” Welby said. “[T]here is no doubt when we look at our own Church that we are still deeply institutionally racist. Let’s just be clear about that. I said it to the College of Bishops a couple of years ago and it’s true,” he added elsewhere, as part of a long harangue on what he sees as an excess of white people in the Church of England. “Most of us in here [at the Synod], almost all of us, the vast majority of us – well over 85 per cent; and remember 15 per cent is roughly the BAME in this country, so if we were representative it would be 15 per cent – but well over 85 per cent, over 90 per cent, are white,” he complained. He failed, however, to address the fact that a very significant portion of the 15 per cent ethnic minority share of Britain’s population belong to the Muslim, Hindu, and Sikh faiths, who you would not reasonably expect to see represented at an Anglican assembly. “I get loads of lists to approve. I get shortlists and longlists and lists of panels for interviews. We’ve just about got past the point in the last two or three years where they’re not all male. But they very, very seldom have minority ethnic people on them – either in applications for lay or clergy posts, senior clergy posts,” Welby said. “I’ve been trying to play nice. I send them back with a more or less polite note saying I’m not absolutely sure this is what we want. But we cannot go on playing nice – really, can we, I don’t think?” he added, appearing to suggest he thinks it is time to start shutting white people out of Church positions more aggressively. He gave no indication that he intends to resign from his own prestigious role to make way for an ethnic minority archbishop, however. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...hop-brands-own-church-institutionally-racist/
If this fool bishop had any comprehension of history, he would remember that his Church's greatest crimes of privilege were conducted against his fellow whites in England and across the Irish Sea. Penal Laws and Plantations in Ireland, but also extreme suppression of English Catholics were actually real, unlike the imaginary misdemeanours he is now using to signal his virtue. I never heard too many apologies for those very real uses of privilege. Anyway, to ensure this kind of toxicity doesn't begin to enter the Catholic Church, I suggest we all begin praying that Cardinal Sarah be appointed next pope.
