The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Byron

    Byron Powers

    I just can’t understand why no one is commenting on Sister Ann’s videos? She has such immense knowledge on Daniel and Revelations. She’s hopeful the Warning arrives this coming February/March 2020.
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Byron
    I’m still very involved in spending holiday time and doing lots of chores. I’m very glad you keep mentioning the videos so maybe tomorrow I will get to them. Thanks!
     
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Tanker you are so right on! Every word. I dont even get the easy stuff right either. I am realizing more and more too what a sinner I am. St Paul's words " work out your salvation in fear and trembling" hit home. But I also feel a calm like you. I seem more aware of my Guardian Angel and the powerful help of Mother Mary. I am so grateful for my consecration to her Immaculate Heart and to the brown scapular.
    I spent today listening to Father Rutler on youtube. What a blessing. So clear. So articulate and so comforting. No false nicey nice. Just the truth. Bracing. Faith building. He has a talk on St John Vianney that is wonderful.
     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    I will listen tonight. I started this morning and got interrupted. I will comment soon.
     
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  5. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Please dying to hear what you think !
     
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    I just finished this. It is a lot of information. I found the connection to Father Gobbi's messages very interesting--as well as the series of sevens that the Carmelite sister discovered in the Book of Revelation. I must take up the Apocalypse again and read it. Also consult some Catholic sources on it. Fr. A Lapide so often quoted by Fr Wolfe is one I mean to check. I have deep reservations about Medjugorge so her reliance on it was a troubling note for me. I think I have to investigate further. Thank you for posting. I think it needs a second listen. I'm tired right now and maybe not as astute as I might be tomorrow.
     
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  7. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    In the question and answer session at the end of the second video I posted, Rohr says that St. Therese of Lisieux wrote in one of her letters that Jesus told her there's no-one in Hell. I notice he didn't mention Our Lady of Fatima showing the children the souls in Hell. Maybe he's a Fatima doubter. Fatima doesn't sit will with some of our more "enlightened" clergy.
     
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  8. Dolours

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    I watched it, Byron, but mention of Medjugorje was enough for me to doubt the rest of what she said. That's the reason I didn't comment on it. Sorry.
     
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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I would not like the call Fr Rohr a liar but I doubt very much Jesus told St Therese any such thing. St Therese's spirituality did not lend itself to voices or visions, hers was a path of darkness.
     
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  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I am reading the Life of St Peter Favre at the moment. He was St Ignatious of Loyola. He was sent north to do battle with the new Protestant Heretics in Germany.

    The first shock, form his reports is that the German Catholic Church was out for the count. No one could argue or debate the Protestants in Debate. They were afraid to do so. So the Church was pretty well rotten.

    Secondly St Peter said that you should not try to debate intellectually with heretics, but should ask yourself why they believe as they do. So for instance if someone wants to be married as a priest it is probably because they have a mistress. If someone wants to claim homosexuality is fine it is probably because they are homosexual themselves and so on.

    Anyway one thing about that generation of First Jesuits in the Counter Reformation struck me. They were exactly the right saints ; sent at the right time. So God will send us the right saints now. In fact we can see them emerging amongst us. Cardinal Burke, for instance.

    There is a lovely story about St Peter Favre. One time he was travelling thorough Italy when he encountered a band of six robbers. He got talking to them round a camp fire and had converted them overnight. How did St Peter convert them? By talking about the fires of hell. By putting the fear of God into them.:):)
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    One thing we are no longer very good at in our day is calling a spade a spade. Of calling evil right out for what it is; evil. Heresy is evil and those who promote heresy are by defiinition evil themselves.
     
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  12. Dolours

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    Same here about realising what a sinner I am. Some people say that on judgement day we will be shown the effects of sins we committed that we didn't know or accept were sins when we committed them. I don't feel calm. I have an awful feeling that 2020 won't be a good year and that things will get progressively worse as we get closer to the 100th anniversary of either the request for the consecration of Russia or the reminder from Jesus about the fate of the King of France. I think those years are 2029 and 2032. Either Jesus or Our Lady said that the consecration would be done but that it would be late. Considering how every takes it for granted that the consecration is done and dusted, I think that things will have to get so bad that the consecration will be done out of desperation.

    I didn't know that Fr. Rutler has a channel on Youtube. Thanks for letting us know. I'm going to check it out because I love his calm, straighforward style.
     
  13. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The consecration of Russia went off 'half-cocked', in my opinion, and that it even was accomplished in this limited manner was only due to the personal efforts, faith and holiness of Pope St John Paul II. It had obviously miraculous effects, leading to an extraordinary, and largely bloodless, sequence of events on the other side of the Iron Curtain. I read a history of Chernobyl recently, 'Ablaze' by Catholic author Piers Paul Read and it clearly revealed that the then establishment in the USSR, although the heirs of Lenin and Stalin, in no way approached the degree of wickedness of their predecessors. I think that God permitted the consecration to succeed to a considerable degree in these countries and the almost incredible events of '89-'90 bear witness to this.

    However, due to the negligent delay in performing a consecration which ought to have been carried out decades earlier, the 'Errors of Russia', through natural diffusion and deliberate propaganda and infiltration, infected the West. To magnify the tragedy, I also suspect that the political establishment of the West in the post-Reagan/Thatcher era has largely displayed a level of wickedness and cynicism out of all proportion to the aforementioned leadership of the decadent USSR. To put it more simply, Cultural Liberalistic Marxism is a far more spiritually errant form of this phenomenon even than that which scourged Russia. The Bolsheviks had to shoot and torture people into submission, but in the West most roll up for it. The West has used the Sexual Revolution as the bait, a method even the Bolsheviks rejected and abandoned as being too socially destructive. The same methodology has been used against The Church and is now being consolidated doctrinally and in open practice. The bishops of the world seem mostly unembarrassed about the most lurid of perversions on the part of themselves and their colleagues and show almost no response other than that which is intended to preserve their privileges.
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    It's not his own you tube channel just some of his talks others have posted. So if you enter his name in the search engine the talks should come up. Three good ones IMO--"be not afraid", "Powers and principalities" and "St John Vianney".
     
  15. Lumena

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    Hi Byron.

    This lady is quite something. Her work is so prolific, she must have spent decades studying. It would take months and months to watch all of the detailed youtubes she has produced. I do not yet know what I think. When I started to listen, my head got in such a spin, I had to pray to the Lord to give me peace.

    I felt that perhaps she is a gift to help us understand the Book of the Apocalypse.???

    She believes that she is called to start a new Religious Order, ( the Order that Melanie Calvat spoke about, after the La Salette Aparitions.)

    I am facinated by this lady, but if I really want to study her work, I will need to give up my day job.

    I emailed her to ask her a question and she graciously replied to me.

    I think she is some kind of genius. I can't keep up with her.

    She was in Carmel for 30 or so years. She knows alot from study and experience.
     
  16. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Psalm 130:3
    “If Thou, O Lord, mark iniquities, who shall stand.”
    I am going to Confession often and praying for the best. Thank God we still have Confession.
     
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  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I’m suspicious of the video because I hear it has some Medj mixed in. Plus, I am a Carmelite supporter. Why did she leave? Just my 2 cents.
     
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  18. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I Have commented to them. Her timing for the warning seems off for the following reasons based on the Garabandal timelines: "things are at there worst", "communism will return" and "the Pope will go to Moscow". Now unless all of these come to play in the next 3 months by April, the Warning will not occur in 2020. Seems highly improbable to me. Sister Ann has much to say, but her 2020 date for the warning is not likely. Finally, her date does not fit into what St. John Bosco's first prophecy said about when the era of peace comes: 'in the month of flowers where two moons shall shine'. The next time for two full moons in the month of May is 2026. Count back 3.5 years from there (the period of the Antichrist begins) and you get April 2022 for the Warning.

    St. John Bosco's Propehcy: "Iniquity is at an end, sin shall cease, and before two full moons shall shine in the month of flowers, the rainbow of peace shall appear on earth. The great Minister shall see the see the Bride of his king clothed in glory".

    As theologian Daniel Oconnor said:
    So much for the Era of Peace being the heresy of “Millenarianism”! John Bosco makes clear that indeed, on the earth, iniquity shall end, sin shall cease, and the Church (the “Bride”) shall be clothed in glory. This is, in other words, the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    Now, the “month of flowers” is generally agreed to be May. Today, a month in which two full moons shine is referred to colloquially as a “blue moon” month. The next blue moon May? You guessed it:

    On the Feast of the Visitation (May 31) of the year 2026, two full moons shall have shone in the month of flowers.
    And, what Feast Day could be more fitting? On the Feast of what what Pope Benedict called “The First Eucharistic Procession,” wherein God Himself comes to visit His people, so too He comes spiritually to reign on Earth.
     
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  19. Byron, I have only watched the 39 minute video of the former Carmelite sister. My opinion is that I feel sad that she left the Carmelite order to try to figure out the end times. It can become a pursuit that is unhealthy spiritually. God has intended that no one knows the day or hour and that applies to even the most devout believer. We should know the signs of the times but to try to figure it out like a math problem, I think is a wrong use of time. We are getting close, but, who knows how long this will take? If I heard the presenter correctly, she only mentions that she went on pilgrimage to Medjugorje in the spring of 2019. She didn't 'mix in' any Medjugorje messages with her presentation. Father Gobbi's locutions left us a rough outline on what to expect. Father Gobbi's locutions about ecclesiastical freemasonry, atheistic communism, marginalization of faithful priests and laity are completely apt and prophetic. His locution about the triumph happening by the year 2000 didn't come to pass either because of Pope John Paul II's big declarations for the faithful to prepare spiritually for the year 2000 went unheeded or because of error. I am passing on her thoughts on the Book of Daniel and Revelation because they are confusing to me rather than a clear teaching.
    These are my opinions, only.
     
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I, too, was put off by her leaving the Carmelite Order.
     
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