Possible Dates for Warning and Miracle from TimeandDateCalculator.

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Xavier, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. Bella

    Bella Guest

    Yes please. I am running on empty. Warning tomorrow please.
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Bless you. I hear ya!
     
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  3. Franciscan

    Franciscan Angels

    MY THEORY:

    1) Conchita once said on Irish TV that the miracle would occur in May.
    2) In Medjugorje/etc., Our Lady said the devil was given a century to try to destroy the Church.
    3) The warning aurora borealis connected to Fatima occured in 1938. This was "a great sign that the time of chastisement was near." A month later Hitler seized Austria.
    4) The Miracle will not occur on a feast day of Our Lady/Our Lord.
    5) Miracle of Garabandal will coincide with an important event in the Church.
    6) Will occur on the feast of a young martyr of the Eucharist.

    - I believe the century given to the devil was 1938-2038.
    - The MEMORIAL (not a FEAST DAY, and an OPTIONAL memorial at that) of Our Lady of Fatima is May 13th
    - May 13, 2038 falls on a Thursday and is 100 years after the aurora borealis warning.
    - A Marian dogma will be proclaimed on May 13th, 2038 which will coincidentally occur on the same day as the miracle.
    - Conchita will be 89 years old and still living.
    -St. Pancras (Pancrazio) is celebrated on May 12th (he may actually have died on May 13th)

    *side note - aurora occurred on Jan 25th, the feast of the conversion of St. Paul - who was converted upon seeing a great light from the sky suddenly flashed around him.
     
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  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I really like the following article by theologian and author Daniel Oconnor. What especially drew me to this time table was St. John Bosco's prophecy, which I have known for years, but never put it into a time frame as Daniel has done using the known moon cycle. St. Bosco suggests the era of peace will arrive in "the month of flowers" (May) when there will come two full moons. I did a little research and the next time after 2026 that this takes place again is 2045. No chance in my mind the world can go on at the speed of decent today and last another 25 years. Following is part of his article:

    Will the Warning Occur in 2022 and the Triumph in 2026?

    Now, none of this current crisis is even a little bit surprising to those who have been taking trustworthy private revelation seriously. And by trustworthy I mean trustworthy; I do not mean approved — all approved private revelation is trustworthy, but not all trustworthy private revelation is already fully approved (and every now approved private revelation was once unapproved, and only became approved due to courageous faithful willing to take it seriously despite its lack of approval). The problem is, incredibly few Catholics (including the “orthodox” ones) take trustworthy private revelation seriously: they’ve been told by career lay apologists, for decades now, that private revelation doesn’t matter; unless perhaps it’s already fully Vatican approved, in which case it matters perhaps a little bit, but still shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

    Indeed, what is transpiring now is scarcely a foreshock of what is soon coming — those who follow trustworthy private revelation know that, too. Neither this, nor what is soon to come is a mystery to them. Nor is what must be done a mystery to them (for a long time now, what must be done has been the homepage of this site for years now — www.dsdoconnor.com)

    So, instead of more armchair commentary pointing out what everyone already knows, allow me to instead present you with some speculation wherein I consider what might constitute some of the details of what we do not yet know.

    Introductory Note on Speculation
    This post is pure speculation — educated speculation, I suppose — but speculation nevertheless. I certainly do not present my own prophecy here (I’ve never received so much as a locution from God, much less any apparition or prophecy), nor even do I label this a prediction, for even that would imply a degree of confidence that I do not necessarily have in these dates. I merely present these findings as they are, and leave it to you to decide what to make of them.

    Many are, no doubt, understandably fed up with speculation. Considering how many expected Divine Intervention after or during the Year of Mercy, and/or during the Centennial of Fatima (/supposed end of a 100-year-reign of Satan), only to have events by and large continue as they long have, this post will likely inspire only the rolling of eyes in many.

    Now above all, you must know yourself. And if you are one to be distracted from what is good and holy by speculation, then being rid of it is the right thing for you to do, and you should stop reading this post now.

    But if — like myself and like many others — a healthy dose of speculation, rather than distracting you, instead truly inspires you to be more zealous for what is good and true (your own sanctification and the evangelization of the world), then it would be absurd to cast it aside as a “distraction.” What, pray tell, is such healthy speculation a distraction from? Worldly interests that receive no benefit from the consideration that their time is nearing an end? Indeed; let us hope it is a distraction from these.

    In fact, the only purpose of speculation is to inspire a more vigorous pursuit of what we already know we ought to do. For we are all weak beings, incapable of doing well merely what the intellect dictates if we do not have more to move us forward. This is where inspiration comes in; so I present what follows in the spirit of hoping to provide some.

    THE CONVERGENCE
    Several powerful prophetic indications seem to be converging on these dates. They are:

    1. The 2022 Collision of Two Stars
    2. The Two-Thousandth Anniversary of Redemption
    3. The Prophecy of St. John Bosco
    1. The 2022 Collision of Two Stars
    Soon, the first stellar collision visible to the naked eye will be seen on earth.

    When the story broke at the beginning of last year, I was far from alone in immediately thinking of the Warning (or “Illumination of Conscience”) prophesied at Garabandal (See, for example, Ted Flynn’s article here). The seer, Conchita, specifically said, decades ago, that “The Warning would be like two stars colliding.”

    For those new to this prophecy of a coming “Warning,” I recommend the works of Mark Mallett. You could start here, and here

    As far as the Warning itself and this Collision itself is concerned, I simply recommend reading the links presented above. But I have one more observation to add.

    More recently, it occurred to me that this would be extremely prophetically meaningful and symbolically profound if, although we are only going to be able to see (i.e. witness the full effects of) the stellar collision in 2022, it nevertheless occurred 2000 years ago, at the time of Our Lord’s Death and Resurrection. For indeed, everything we observe when we gaze upon the stars at night actually occurred many, many years ago, and the light of these events — due to their great distance from us — only reaches us long after their occurrence.

    The symbolism obvious: the Illumination of Conscience (“The Warning”) will be the single greatest act of mercy in the history of creation. It will be as if what happened 2,000 years ago on the Cross came hurtling at us at light speed and whalloped the whole world with unprecedented grace. But how are we supposed to know when this star collision actually happened? Simple: everything we see happening in the night sky actually happened the same number of years ago as the objects themselves are distant from us, as measured in light years. However many light years away this binary star system is from us will also tell us how many years ago the collision (which we will soon see) actually happened. The result of this simple inquiry?

    They estimate that the collision happened approximately 1,843 years ago.

    “Bummer,” you might be thinking, “the prophetic significance is lost.” Far from it, though! 1,843 years is a mere 157 years off. If this event truly did occur 2,000 years ago, then even a miniscule 8% error in the estimation would yield the 1,843 figure. The “Gaia” mission currently underway only hopes to be able to give 10% accuracy for these distances — and this is still a work in progress.

    Suffice it to say, it is well within the accuracy of this stellar measurement to assert that, indeed, this collision may well have happened at the precise moment Jesus died on the Cross.

    Does this prove anything with certainty? Of course not. Am I saying this means that the Warning must indeed occur the moment we see this collision? Of course not. All I’m saying is — why not be spiritually prepared in case it does?

    Now the prophetic consensus seems to hold that the world will — in the coming years — completely fall apart. A sort of “natural” chastisement; a consequence of our sins. Of course, one doesn’t need prophecy to acknowledge this; one only needs an ounce of honesty to realize what is soon coming, considering that diabolical nature of so much of the modern world. When this natural chastisement is at its worst (which will probably take another few years), God sends the Warning. After the warning, all the people of the world will be able to freely and clearly choose a side. The line in the sand will be drawn. The time of mercy is over. The Antichrist enters the scene to gather into himself all those who choose the dark side. Then, his three and a half year reign, spoken of in the Book of Revelation, follows — itself ended by the Three Days of Darkness (a Divine Chastisement sent directly from Heaven) spoken of in many prophecies.

    more to follow:
     
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  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Continued.....

    And where does that bring us? To 2026
    2. The Two-Thousandth Anniversary of Redemption
    As I have quoted many times, Jesus revealed to the Servant of God Luisa Piccarreta: Now this “Third Renewal” is nothing other than the Coming of the Kingdom of the Divine Will on Earth — so that it may reign here just as it reigns in heaven — in total fulfillment of the Fiat Voluntas Tua of the Our Father prayer.

    Now the prophetic consensus seems to hold that the world will — in the coming years — completely fall apart. A sort of “natural” chastisement; a consequence of our sins. Of course, one doesn’t need prophecy to acknowledge this; one only needs an ounce of honesty to realize what is soon coming, considering that diabolical nature of so much of the modern world. When this natural chastisement is at its worst (which will probably take another few years), God sends the Warning. After the warning, all the people of the world will be able to freely and clearly choose a side. The line in the sand will be drawn. The time of mercy is over. The Antichrist enters the scene to gather into himself all those who choose the dark side. Then, his three and a half year reign, spoken of in the Book of Revelation, follows — itself ended by the Three Days of Darkness (a Divine Chastisement sent directly from Heaven) spoken of in many prophecies.
    In a word: the Era of Peace. I have spoken about this in some detail here
    . For this I again recommend Mark Mallett’s blog.

    Here, too, you might think again “bummer! We’ve got to wait until 2033 for the 2,000th anniversary of Redemption.”

    Well, again — not so fast. It is not mere modern revisionist scholarship that claims that our calendar is likely off a few years, and Jesus was likely born several years before 0 A.D. — no less authority than Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich herself, one of the greatest mystics and visionaries in Church History, was shown precisely this. (Besides; even a broken clock is right twice a day — occasionally even modernist biblical “scholars” get something correct). This holy woman specifically wrote that “Christ was born seven years and a portion of a year earlier than according to our reckoning.” (Anne Catherine Emmerich, The Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary, pages 126-127). If she is right — and I have no reason to doubt that she is — then Redemption itself actually occurred in the year 26 A.D. …

    Which, in turn, means that the 2,000th anniversary of Redemption is the year 2026 AD.
    Did Jesus promise Luisa the Kingdom would Come precisely at the 2,000th year mark? No. But He did promise — repeatedly, and it is a guarantee — that it will be “about” that time. And it sure would be fitting if it turns out to be exact!

    3. The Prophecy of St. John Bosco
    St. John Bosco’s prophecy depicting the Church as a ship, steered by the Pope in the midst of a great storm, guided by two pillars — Mary, and the Eucharist — is often cited. But this prophecy of a time of chastisement is not his only one! He also prophesied the Era of Peace:
    "The First Prophecy" of St. John Bosco
    "Iniquity is at an end, Sin shall cease, and before two full moons shall have shown in the month of flowers, the rainbow of peace shall appear on earth. The great Minister shall see the Bride of his King clothed in glory".

    So much for the Era of Peace being the heresy of “Millenarianism”! John Bosco makes clear that indeed, on the earth, iniquity shall end, sin shall cease, and the Church (the “Bride”) shall be clothed in glory. This is, in other words, the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    Now, the “month of flowers” is generally agreed to be May. Today, a month in which two full moons shine is referred to colloquially as a “blue moon” month. The next blue moon May? You guessed it:

    On the Feast of the Visitation (May 31) of the year 2026, two full moons shall have shone in the month of flowers.
    And, what Feast Day could be more fitting? On the Feast of what what Pope Benedict called “The First Eucharistic Procession,” wherein God Himself comes to visit His people, so too He comes spiritually to reign on Earth.

    Now, the above three items are the biggest ones on my mind. But a couple more thoughts come regarding this timing:

    4. These events are immediately following 40 years of messages at Medjugorje. Those who follow Medjugorje most closely have been long saying that they believe the apparitions will go on for 40 years, which brings us to 2021. When the apparitions end, the secrets given during the apparitions begin — secrets that pertain, no doubt, in large part to the End-of-the-Era Chastisements.

    5. The Antichrist has no use coming on to the world stage until the infrastructure is fully in place for him to exert immediate, total, worldwide dominion. He must be capable of controlling everyone — especially by way of exerting dominion over all finance (the “Mark of the Beast” spoken of in the Book of Revelation). It seems to me that the technology he is waiting for is for a smartphone to be in the hands of every person on the face of this planet (they are almost cheap enough and solar power is almost easy enough to allow for this), along with the existence of a worldwide, high speed, wireless internet connection for each of these smartphones that are in the hands of all people (Google and other companies are working on this right now). We are not there yet of course, but it seems we probably will be in a few years (likely by 2022). When we do arrive there, rest assured that some sort of a chip will soon thereafter be required — in the right hand or the forehead — as a necessary “financial security measure” to correlate each phone with its proper owner. This measure, which will be orchestrated by the Antichrist himself, will in turn be in response to another orchestrated “global security breach,” the “only” feasible response to which will be such implanted microchip security measures. Furthermore, the implantation of this chip will also require some sort of a heretical, blasphemous, or sacrilegious oath (for God will not allow anyone to fall by the Mark of the Beast merely by innocently subscribing to a technological advancement). Again; this is all speculation.

    A closing thought on timing:

    As I began stating the dangers of speculation, I conclude stating why this particular speculation is so encouraging, which is largely the reason I publish it. If indeed 2022 is when the Chastisements really will hit, then this gives us just enough time to lose no hope in doing everything we can, fully expecting it to bear much fruit, in the remaining few years of society’s ordinary functioning that we may have. But it also points out that these events are not so far off that we oughtn’t consider them as imminent realities. Indeed, these dates shout loud and clear:

    You still have some time — but only just enough. Only enough for you to begin this very day in getting to work on what God has put on your heart for the sanctification of your soul and the salvation of the whole world, but which you have long procrastinated. Do not any longer put off until tomorrow what you must do today.
     
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  6. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Maria Esperanza said in 2003 the “awakening” - (Warning) would occur in 10 to 20 years.
     
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  7. Mario

    Mario Powers

    To me, this is the weakest point in Daniel's speculation. It has long been considered plausible that the darkness that came over the earth on the day of Christ's death was caused by a solar eclipse. We can scientifically calculate the probable date by comparing the data in the Scriptures with this solar event. There was actually a solar eclipse that occurred on Friday, the Passover in 33AD. There was another in the late 20s, but 33AD matches precisely with the chronology of the New Testament. I would give more weight to scientific certainty on this particular topic. I later found out that Marshall Taylor concurs using Scriptural evidence.



    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to you.
     
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  8. Glenn

    Glenn Garabandal Expert

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    Just from the " Garabandal perspective" I would like to give a more accurate account of what was said. ( I will back up with information after my list ).
    #1 The " Miracle" is in April .
    #2. It is a " YOUNG MALE " martyr.
    #3. It most likely NOT St. Hermengild , and definitely NOT St. Imelda.
    #4 Most likely a few weeks or months, not a year between the Warning & Miracle.


    #1."We Now Know That The Miracle Will Happen In The Month Of April ..."
    Interview with Father Gustavo Morelos
    Reprinted with permission from The Vigil January - April 1988
    While in Rome, Maria Saraco met with Father Gustavo Morelos on May 6,1986, and did a tape-recorded interview with him. Father who is Mexican was ordained a priest 28 years ago. He is the founder of "The Sons of The Divine Will." He conducted a serious 3-month study of the Garabandal Apparitions with the permission of his bishop during his stay there in 1965. He was also a great and personal friend of Padre Pio. Father Morelos is responsible for introducing Our Lady of Carmel of Garabandal to the entire South American part of the world.
    Q. Did Conchita ever reveal anything special to you?
    A. Well, she used to say to me that if I guessed the day of The Miracle that she would tell me, so I would try to guess the date but I never did. Every time I would give her a date she would say, "No that's not it." Until one time she said, "I will help you to guess. It will happen between the months of February and July and it will be between the 7th and the 17th, but I will not tell you which year." She assured me that The Miracle would not happen in the month of May. I enjoyed talking to Conchita about this while trying to guess the date... Of course, only Conchita knows the exact date and year which she will announce 8 days before it happens.
    However, in the book, "Miracle at Garabandal" authored by Harry Daley; page 89, Conchita is quoted as saying, "I will also tell you that it (meaning the Miracle) is going to happen either in April or May. Since she had already assured Father Morelos back in 1965 that the Miracle would not happen in May, it can safely be concluded that April must be the month in which it will take place. I spoke to Conchita about all these details as recent as April 25, 1988 during a telephone conversation, and while she was not able to recall saying what she did to both Father Morelos and Harry Daley, commenting that she had not read his book, she did not deny saying them nor did she contradict April as being The Miracle month. I pointed out that I intended to publish this information in "The Vigil" unless she said it was not true which she did not do, rather her reply was, "You can do what you want."

    #2.On a day in September of 1963, some French people were invited to eat dinner with Conchita in a house near the girl's home. She was devouring pastries with the healthy appetite of girls of her age. Someone jokingly asked her about the sacrifices and penance mentioned in the message. Conchita accepted the joke in good humor and laughed. But suddenly she became quiet and seemed to concentrate; her face lit up; and with her hands joined on her chest, she began to speak:
    "The Miracle will be on the feastday of a young martyr of the Eucharist, a boy who carried Communion to persecuted Christians. "

    #3.
    Two possible problems with St. Hermenegild, who by most accounts was Spanish, and Conchita said the martyr saint was not Spanish. We have no idea how old he was, though he was a grown, married adult leading a revolt, so it would not have been clear to her that this was "a young martyr of the Eucharist" after she consulted the calendar in her home.

    Obviously St. Imelda is female, so does not fit prophecy.

    #4.
    Mari Loli
    July 27, 1975

    Q. You have said that you know the year of the Warning. Can you tell us if it will occur in the next few years or is it still in the distant future?
    A. No. I can't say anything.
    Q. Did the Blessed Mother tell you not to speak about the Warning?
    A. No, she didn't , but, because the Warning and the Miracle are within the same year, I feel it inside not to say anything.
    Q. How do you know the Warning and the Miracle are within the same year"
    A. During an apparition-I don't remember just when- the Blessed Virgin told me.

    Email to me: 3-20-15

    Miracle after the Warning ,3 weeks or months ?
    Dear Glenn,
    In the late 1980´s or early 1990´s, two Priests, whom I knew personally at that time, visited Mari Loli in Massachusetts. On their return one of the Priests told me that Mari Loli disclosed to them, when they were leaving, that the Warning would be in an even-numbered year.
    Several years later I asked the same Priest if Mari Loli said even numbered year. He said, "Yes". I have also read about or heard the same from other sources, which I do not recall now.
    In another situation, I was told by a man in Massachussets, who knows the Pastor of the Church that Mari Loli attended, that Mari Loli was speaking to her Pastor in Massachusetts one day, after he came to know about her relation with Garabandal, and told him that she could not remember
    whether the Blessed Virgin told her that it was 3 weeks or 3 months that the Warning would precede the Miracle. That would confirm that the Warning and Miracle are in the same year, as she said in her July 27, 1975 publicized interview. I take the same year to be the same calendar year.
    Fiat,
    Thomas Fahy

    ( Fahy is the author of “Suddenly & unexpectedly” The end of our Times.)

    I hope this narrows down the search,with more accurate facts, good luck. Try to remember also what Conchita said:
    “To guess at dates regarding the [prophesied] Miracle shows a lack of faith in the Blessed Virgin .Indeed, the energies expended on this are so much better spent on living the Message! “











     
  9. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Glenn, it is wise not to be consumed by dates. We have been waiting far longer than most Garabandal devotees had originally thought. I have my opinion, but it is not that important. What is?

    LIVE THE MESSAGES!

    O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN, PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE!
     
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  10. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Thank you Glenn. The month of April, a young male martyr of the Eucharist, and an even numbered year, so who can figure it out?
     
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  11. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    I understand some of us want the miracle and warning to come as soon as possible, because of the way things are going in the world and the Church; my opinion is our prayer should be that the (1) warning comes soon, AND (2) the maximum number of souls possible are saved on the day of the Warning. The Warning looks like it will be Heaven's Last Chance to save as many souls as possible in one shot. That's possibly one reason God has been waiting for the "opportune moment".

    Anyway, going by what Glenn said, there are just these criteria:

    (1) Miracle Criteria: April, Even numbered year,

    (2) Warning Criteria: Before Miracle, same year.

    Ergo, the next 3 possibilities for the Warning:

    (I) From January 2020 to April 2020

    (II) From January 2022 to April 2022

    (III) From January 2024 to April 2024.

    Byron quoted Maria Esperanza as saying it will take place within 20 years from 2003. So, going by that, it will have to be either one of the first 2 above, not the third.

    St. Tarcisius? St. Tarcisius Feast Day is 15th August. Wiki: "a poem composed in his honour by Pope Damasus (366–384), who compares him to the deacon Saint Stephen and says that, as Stephen was stoned by a crowd, so Tarcisius, carrying the Blessed Sacrament, was attacked by a group and beaten to death ... Feast August 15 (Roman Martyrology)"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcisius The Saint seems to be perfect otherwise, only the date of August 15 does not fit in. Maybe it will be changed?

    Three other events I recall now that have to happen first are (1) A synod (the Amazon one?), (2) Pope going to Moscow, (3) "Communism comes again"

    Anyway, it's fun to speculate. But of course only God knows in the end. Here's hoping hundreds of millions of souls will be saved on the day the Warning comes.

    God bless.
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    This sounds good to me. It feels like it might have the validity I seek. I do feel that events are quite close which is why I agree with you. But of course, only God knows in the end, as you state. I’m not ready to go out on the street corner and shout! Thank you for pointing out that we must pray for the maximum number of souls to be saved. I used to pray that God would prepare souls for the Warning, but I grew lax with that particular prayer. I will start again.
    Thank you, Xavier.
     
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  13. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    My understanding is it’s useless to pray for an early or late warning.

    Conchita was given the date of the miracle and THAT DATE HAS NEVER BEEN ALTERED IN ANY WAY. (Glenn has confirmed this).

    And since the warning comes within a year PRIOR to the miracle the date of the warning is probably set in stone as well.

    I could be wrong and of course I’m open for correction but my feeling is that both events have been set in Gods calendar since the beginning of creation.
     
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  14. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Conchita.
     
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  15. Franciscan

    Franciscan Angels

    St Calliopius. "Martyr of the Eucharist"

    Young male martyr. Executed on Holy Thursday (commemoration of the Last Supper of Jesus Christ) in 304.
     
  16. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    Mark, did you see that last month Daniel O'Connor wrote another blog where he said this (and I concur with Daniel):

    Mark, what do you think of Fr. Michel?
     
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  17. Glenn

    Glenn Garabandal Expert

    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but his Feast day is April 7, one day short of the 8th-16th as Conchita said.
     
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  18. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Did Conchita say the 8th to the 16th when she was living in the USA? Did not Fr Morelos say the 7th to the 17th?
     
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  19. Byron

    Byron Powers

    ...”would try to guess the date but I never did. Everytime I would give her a date she would say, "Nothat's not it." Until one time she said, "I will help you to guess. It will happen between the months of February and July and it will be between the 7th and the 17th, but I will not tell you which year."
     
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  20. Franciscan

    Franciscan Angels

    His feast is on the 7th but he actually died on the 8th. His execution began the evening of the 7th.
     
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