I posted this as a comment on the 21 Dec thread but I can't see many people retaining an interest in that thread as the date is now past and I would like those on the forum to read and hopefully comment on the points that I am making. I am very confused about anyone who believes in Medjugorje could have believed that the Warning could possibly have happened on 21 December 2012. I know that those who reject Medjugorje are in a different situation (and one of those predicted the Warning on 21 Dec 2012 as having a 75% probability) but those who accept Medjugorje must KNOW that they will be given 3 days notice of such a momentous event as it must presumably form part of the secrets. We also know that 3 of the visionaries still await the tenth secret and that the first two of these relate only to Medjugorje itself. So, until the 3 visionaries receive the last of the secrets and until the first two have been made public and, presumably, have happened, the Warning cannot occur. So we can be sure that we will be given some notice of the Warning, even though it is only three days and that it must be some way off. If we get this straight, we can await events and know, with some confidence, when the Warning actually is imminent.
I guess I don't know anyone who believed that the illumination was to be the 21st....as you said, we have to wait for the visionaries to receive the last of the secrets and then to make the time public.
Maria Saraco (a friend of Conchita) gave 21 Dec 2012 as the probable date of the Warning and this gained some support on this forum e.g. (see the partial quote below from a recent post from someone who accepts Garabandal but rejects Medjugorje) "She is quite old and she was waiting for the events since years and years as many of us, so she has a personal feeling for Dec 21st and for April 2013, it's a huge risk for her to leave these dates online, not for Garabandal just for Maria Saraco and her pilgrims, I myself contact her but she did not reply to me. Probability : 75%"
The key word you write is "presumably". I would find it strange that the Illumination would not be one of the secrets of Medjugorje. But I can imagine (that is see as a possibility) that it may not be one of the secrets. Yes. Aviso it was who set at 75% the probability of the Warning occuring on the 21st Dec 2012. I am sad he left this forum. If any here in this forum are following his posts on that French site he once mentioned and wish to report his reaction, I for one am interested to know.
Well OK, forget Medj. but we are still left with the problem that one of the Garabandal visionaries said that the Warning would not happen until 'communism returns to Spain' and 'things are at their worst'. As the schism and European civil wars have not occurred and Spain is not Communist. It couldn't have happened anyway. I don't pretend to have 'special contacts' but I don't think anyone needs any to know that 75% was just wrong.
This was a note from Aviso I received this afternoon: There is also another important thing, a member from the same forum is telling that Aviso has confirmed Saraco’s dates with a probability of 75%, this not true as I said exactly the opposite as indicated in my thread “Garabandal News” and gave of probability of 25% instead 75% as said by this member with the name of SteveD, please one of you must correct it for me and forward the full message indicated in my thread “Garabandal News”, it’s a question of respect as my messages have been read and are still read by thousands arround the world, thanks. For the rest, as we saw it with Maria Saraco’s dates, please be aware as I keep telling you of any dates, Chrissie himself who just died, may he be in Peace with God, was trying to find out dates as well, I will update any news from Garabandal next January. Hope this helps to clear up any misinformation.
I am very sorry that i inadvertently added to, rather than correcting the statement as to how Aviso saw the probability of 21st Dec as the date of the warning. Proof that I am easily lead. All that I needed to do was go to the thread and re-read. I am sorry that I was too lazy not to do so. But it is fortunate that the thread stands and was not deleted , hein I copy here the relevant post from the thread. Confusion, it's the word to have in your mind before the Garabandal events, yes always be aware of any dates even if these dates are from a closest person to one of the seer as Maria Saraco. There are only 2 Possibillities regarding Maria Saraco's dates and only 2 not more : 1. She is quiet old and she was waiting for the events since years and years as many of us, so she has a personnal feeling for Dec 21st and for April 2013, it's a huge risk for her to leave these dates online, not for Garabandal just for Maria Saraco and her pelegrims, I myself contact her but she did not reply to me. Probability : 75% 2. She is right and got some information from Mari Loli directly for the warning year, per my information as it's a woman who talk too much especially in Garabandal, in the village they said to me that she found out some information about her dates on the Grave of Mari Loli. Probability : 25%. Now regarding your questions Mike, yes the Pope could travel to Moscow in emergency to try to stop the war, it's my own opinion confirmed by some contact, as Russia is a key for the futur events. Now and to reply to the last emails I have received, yes I have some information about the dates, what I can said and you already know it, I have been saved in Garabandal myself and became a Catholic, it's my own story, I have been Baptized on a April 3rd as well. There is an other important information, these dates are also in the hand of Vatican and it's more important than Saraco's dates in my opinion. Aviso Aviso, Dec 1, 2012 #597 Pasted from <http://motheofgod.com/threads/garabandal-news.2443/page-30> Again: I am sorry Aviso.
Acts 1:7 New International Version (NIV) 7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
I have just re-read the comment that I quoted and it says exactly what I quoted - 21 Dec - 75% probability and its source was not Jerry. (Thread 'Garabandal-news' comment no. 597 made on Dec 1) As to dates, at last! That is just what I have been saying.There has been some speculation on this forum about the specific date of the Warning (an example has been quoted) this should be strongly discouraged. As I pointed out, an early and specific date (now passed) has been quoted on this forum with some confidence and could never have been accurate. I am not among commentators who quote dates, quite the opposite. What I have been trying to do is to dampen the clearly incorrect attitude that the Warning is 'imminent' (i.e. that it is going to happen in days, weeks or months) and that it is going to happen without us being very aware when it actually is imminent. We know something about the precursors to the Warning and we should be aware of them await them. That has always been my main point. When it comes there certainly won't be any forums operating at the time to help people deal with it, maybe it is better to prepare them to recognise the signs of the imminence of the Warning which are either known or are probable.
I think what Aviso was saying was that it was a 75% chance that the 12/21 date was inaccurate and a product only of Ms. Saraco's personal feelings. Aviso was quite clear in his second paragraph that he thought the chances of it being a true date from a Garabandel visionary was a mere 25%. Hope that helps to clarify things... God bless all of you!
Aviso, in his post, was not assigning probabilities to the date of the warning proposed by Mary Saracco. Instead, he was discussing the probabilities for the reason why Mary was embarking to indicate dates. How it is perceptible, he assigns as more likely (75%) that the date of 21 December was just a personal feeling of Maria and unlikely (25%) that the date came from any indication originated from Mari Loli. bona fide
The dates for warning and great miracle have been a source of speculation since there announcement 50 years ago.God in his infinite wisdom has allowed a handful of indicators to be reveled from the people involved in the event. It's for us to be ever watchful as these indicators will unfold, as a group we are to help each other interpret the signs leading to the events. Dates equal disappointment -Be Ready! The Blessed Mother has given us clear direction. Speculation brings confusion, the world is a confusing mess people don't know what or who to believe anymore. The Blessed Mother warned us "confusion" would be rampant and Garabandal forgotten. Lets keep our Rosary's close and active it is our shield, sword and comfort as the future unfolds. "Some people are so foolish that they think they can go through life without the help of the Blessed Mother. Love the Madonna and pray the rosary, for her Rosary is the weapon against the evils of the world today. All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother."-St. Padre Pio
I agree that date setting is very dangerous. It can make people lose faith if dates are missed. We can only look to the signs of the times, be vigilent, and pray.
My name is Aviso, when you quote one of my message, don't forget to add my Name and the full Message. It's Christmas and I will keep for me what I think about you. Thanks to the others, Jerry, Bona Fide, Genuflect, Bflocatholic and Lee of course, Padraig the Boss and etc.....Back home till the end this time. Merry Christmas to all of You. Aviso
I am not alone by any means in misunderstanding your meaning but apologise for offending you. I am trying to get some points across, not to offend anyone that is why I did not use any names. Perhaps a PM to me might have resolved this without a public show of animosity. We are all supposed to be on the same side in these important matters. To return to my point (amended to avoid offence) which has been sidetracked by misunderstandings and accusations of bad faith: I am very confused about anyone who believes in Medjugorje could have believed that the Warning could possibly have happened on 21 December 2012. I know that those who reject Medjugorje are in a different situation but those who accept Medjugorje must know that they will be given 3 days notice of such a momentous event as it must presumably form part of the secrets. We also know that 3 of the visionaries still await the tenth secret and that the first two of these relate only to Medjugorje itself. So, until the 3 visionaries receive the last of the secrets and until the first two have been made public and, presumably, have happened, the Warning cannot occur. So we can be sure that we will be given some notice of the Warning, even though it is only three days and that it must be some way off. If we get this straight, we can await events and know, with some confidence, when the Warning actually is imminent.
SteveD--I know you did not act in bad faith. I too read, and re-read it. Aviso needs to understand that this paragraph 'could' and 'has' been interpreted and re-interpreted. And yes, it would have been charitable of him to PM to you if he has a bone to pick with you.
Aviso, let us NOT put your reputation ahead of charity. It is very UN-charitable to say "It's Christmas and I will keep for me what I think about you." ---besides, if you wanted to erase all your messages before you took off, you could have and then there would have been NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
I have got your Message, thank you, you must understand that I have many "ennemies" myself, I have tried to protect the one I loved then decided to leave any forum as I am not talking here only, I can't give more details but I never sent any message without verification, I received myself about 3 to 5 Great Miracle dates each year and many emails, some of them are not respectfull but most of them are. I am not here for any personnal wish but trying my best to bring all here and if it's possible, with me for the most Great Miracle day since ever in Garabandal, it's my goal and a promess, I will do it in memory of Chrissie as well, it's also one of the reason why I am back. Again, Merry Christmas to all of you. Aviso
L'étoile de Noël est le pardon. Que cette étoile nous guider vers la crèche de Noël The Star of Christmas is forgiveness. Let this Star guide us to the Christmas crib.
