The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It would be ironic if the German bishops sleepwalked into schism, despite the liberal claim that the Americans were the ones in trouble. One thing we do know, Pope Francis doesn't like to be defied.
     
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Sounds allot like what Father Gobbi was told by our Blessed Mother in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
     
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  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    He surely does stop talking. When the dubia Cardinals asked for clarification on his encyclical he said not a word. He refuses to answer any request from clarifications on what he has said against orthodoxy to the faith. Mummmm is his word.
     
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  4. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I agree.

    DeGaulle,

    That's what I have been thinking, totally ironic!

    I suppose I was thinking about Father Mark Goring's video that I posted recently too. Here it is again.



    And you take those two articles, that I recently posted - the one with Pope Francis' positive statements about tradition and the one about Cardinal Marx's statements on the German synod going forward despite the Vatican's objections AND you just can't help thinking about how ironic it would be if the German bishops (many/most of them) went into schism.

    Then the cartoon looks like this -

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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I would be very, very surprised if that happened. From a Euoropean perspective, it looks like the fix will be giving Synods or even individual Bishops the go-ahead for married priests and some new role for women which could be either women deacons or an unordained role on a par with a Bishop, or maybe both. Amoris Laetitia has already opened the door for blessings of same sex unions but it hasn't made it mandatory in all dioceses. It looks like the Germans want to force the three orthodox Bishops to give the blessings but it's no skin off the nose of Cardinal Marx if it's left for individual Bishops to decide, piling the pressure on the three hold-outs. The stage is set for Pope Francis to appear to be standing up to the Germans while "negotiating" a fix to keep the Germans in communion with Rome. He'll probably veto the plan that gives binding authority to a Council dominated by laypersons.

    It looks like he is using the Eastern Churches (tradition!!!) to end celibacy. There's an article in Catholic World Report written by an Eastern Catholic who makes the case for an end to celibacy. The article is rubbish but the comments are worth reading. Here's a clip from one comment which sheds some more light on what's afoot:

    "In May “La Civilita Catholica” reported this gem from the mouth of Cardinal Emeritus Claudio Hummes (personally appointed by Pope Francis as upcoming synod’s Relator General) “…there is a need to rewrite Christology”. And further: “All theology and Christology, as well as the theology of the sacraments, are to be reread starting from this great light for which ‘all is interconnected, interrelated’.
    I’ll take Athanasius over Teilhard and Jesuit Teutonic jungle fever “Kris Kringle kristology” any day.
    We endure a pontificate characterized by one of its singular apologists with: “Pope Francis breaks Catholic traditions whenever he wants because he is ‘free from disordered attachments.’ Our Church has indeed entered a new phase: with the advent of this first Jesuit pope, it is openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture.”
    His recent gift of a portion of the relics of Saint Peter to Patriarch Bartholomew only elicited from me some relief. At least in Constantinople they will be provided due veneration.
    The Bergoglian left is engaged with a fraudulent embrace of Eastern Christianity. It is using it for its own purposes and it will dump them when convenient. It is all craft. Let the East bring to the table a blistering corrective to Roman post-conciliar psychosis and bring it on without restraint. Then we’ll see what is transpiring with great clarity."
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    I hope I'm not breaking some law by cutting and pasting from the comment on that website, but I couldn't agree more with the sentiments. Here's a link to the article: https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2019/09/13/synods-and-sausages-making-a-mess-in-germany/

    It looks like the German theatrics are no more than a side show - a distraction from the main event.
     
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  6. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Although now that I have thought about Pope Francis' recent statements about tradition, I wonder if he will be selective about this also like he has been about other statements that he has made like wanting dialogue.

    When he is speaking of tradition he may be only thinking of something like the following and not the Church's traditions. Hmmm.

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  7. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie


    Consider the source.....Jesuit. Says it all.....
     
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  8. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Austin Iveragh is writing another book: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...cts-circle-opposes-francis-must-be-controlled

    He has taken to using the royal "We". This time Cardinal Muller is in for a royal tongue lashing. According to the report, Mr. Iveragh claims that Cardinal Muller, as a retired member of the Curia, "has no position in the Church". I didn't know that retirement means that a man is no longer priest, bishop or cardinal. Does it also cancel baptism or has the Cardinal been excommunicated.

    Mr. Iveragh, of course, would have a lot of inside knowledge. He was the late Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor's press secretary. That Cardinal (from the St. Gallen group) was so close to Pope Francis that, according to reports, the Pope had Cardinal Muller interrupted while saying Mass to instruct him to stop investigating a sex abuse claim against Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor.

    Apparently, Mr. Iveragh also knows something about US politics. He compares what he calls the tactics to "discredit" the Pope are “very typical of the United States, of the techniques the conservatives used against [President] Obama.”

    At least he hasn't accused the Russians of trying to rig a Conclave. Then again, the St. Gallen man was elected :whistle:.
     
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  9. Byron

    Byron Powers

  10. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The nerve of that heretic ascribing 'scandal' to Benedict's circle, while everyone knows that the circle surrounding Pope Francis apparently comprises mostly of male-on-male sexual harassers (to put it at its mildest) and their protectors.

    Nevertheless, when he's proposing censorship and suppression, it's a clear indication of desperation. No doubt, Ivereigh thought the whole Church would, like himself, enthusiastically embrace bergoglianism, but instead it is being either rejected or ignored by most. The notion that Pope Francis is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit just isn't catching on.
     
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  11. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    It looks to me like it was a promo for his book. I expect him to ramp up the attacks with each new book he's trying to sell. Nothing like a bit of badmouthing to stir up controversy and media attention. Otherwise, who would have heard of him or be bothered buying his books?

    Interesting that the interview was with a Chilean newspaper. There was some negative press in Chile recently when the Nunciio was transferred to Portugal and a priest From the Legionnaires of Christ who had been very close to Maciel has been given a job on the Santiago Archdiocese's tribunal: https://angelusnews.com/news/ines-s...-chile-in-nicaragua-government-targets-church
    Sad news from Nicaragua in that linked report.
     
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  12. Dolours

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  13. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I wonder how many books he sells, and to whom?

    The reputation of Pope Francis can't be very great in Chile, given his antics a couple of years ago. No surprises with Ortega.
     
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  14. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Dolours this is huge! The priest is telling the reporter that he has evidence - emails, etc., against Pope Francis, and the St Gallen group on corrupt dealings and laundered money for the Vatican. Also, he has evidence Pope Francis is connected with Soros and Clinton. He accuses Pope Francis of appointing pedophiles, etc. The priest also says his life is in danger, he has had death threats, but that he feels this must be unveiled, so he is risking his life to help the Church.
     
  15. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Do you think he's on the level, or is he an attention seeker? It's hard to get the feel of whether a person is genuine when he's speaking a foreign language.
     
  16. Byron

    Byron Powers

    My sister is a member of Malta, she’s the one who sent me this - she feels he is legit. The priest seems sincere to me in the video. I’m floored he had this interview. Maybe we are watching the last hits from this Pope and the deep state. This coming Synod may very well be the one Conchita spoke of. Also, want to send the interview with Fr Roux MMP. He said it all.
     
  17. Byron

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  18. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Frederick Martel’s book “Sodoma” is recommended by the priest from the video.
     
  19. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

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    Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider. (Edward Pentin/EWTN News)
    Sep. 17, 2019
    Today is Day 1 of ‘Crusade of Prayer and Fasting’
    The intentions for this 40-day “crusade,” announced last week by Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider, are focused on the upcoming Amazonian Synod.
    Bree A. Dail | http://www.ncregister.com/blog/guest-blogger/today-is-day-1-of-crusade-of-prayer-and-fasting

    Leaders of an international movement known as the Holy League of Nations have pledged their support, prayers and sacrifice, in response to a call from Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

    As reported last week by Edward Pentin, Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider submitted an eight-page document imploring the faithful to join with them in 40 days of prayer and fasting.

    The intentions for this “crusade” were focused on the upcoming Amazon Synod, and clearly stated concerns that “theological errors and heresies inserted in the instrumentum laboris may not be approved during the synodal assembly.” Also included in the intentions for this prayer crusade was that “Pope Francis, in the exercise of the Petrine ministry, may confirm his brethren in the faith by an unambiguous rejection of the errors of the instrumentum laboris and that he may not consent to the abolition of priestly celibacy in the Latin Church by introducing the praxis of the ordination of married men, the so-called ‘viri probati,’ to the Holy Priesthood.”

    Fr. Richard Heilman, who heads the U.S. branch of the “Holy League” — known as the “U.S. Grace Force,” published a short response, less than an hour after news broke Thursday. In it, he instructs the more than 57,000 men and women currently enrolled in the 54-day Rosary Novena leading to Oct. 13, U.S. Rosary Coast to Coast, in what he calls the “battle plan”:

    “Sept. 17 – Oct. 26 (40 Days): Add this intention to your daily Rosary: “Prevent approval of serious theological errors and heresies.”

    Sept. 17 – Oct. 26 (40 Days): Add a day of fasting. Recommend Fridays and/or Wednesdays.

    Sept. 29 (Feast of St. Michael) – Oct. 7 (Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary) (9 Days): Add the Chaplet of St. Michael.

    Oct. 6 – Oct. 26 (Amazon Synod in Rome): Per Bishop Strickland call, add the Novena to the Sacred Heart with the intention stated.”

    * * * * * * *

    The Register contacted Fr. Heilman, along with a number of the international leaders for the “Holy League of Nations,” to comment on their support of Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider’s “Crusade of Prayer and Fasting.”

    Q. Fr. Heilman, initial reaction to the call for fasting and prayer has been mixed. Some are claiming that this is not enough — that very little will come from laymen praying and fasting, without shepherds such as Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider issuing real corrections to the heresies they claim are in the working document. The U.S. Grace Force, along with multiple countries within the Holy League have pledged to answer this call. Please tell me how you would answer cynics, and why you believe prayer and fasting will be answered.

    A. Whether this is a popular view or not, I have taken virtually all of my cues from Cardinal Burke, and many other spiritual giants of our time. I include Bishop Schneider among those giants.

    I remain astounded — maybe shocked is a better word — when I hear from Catholics, at times prelates, who say something like, “very little will come from laymen praying and fasting.” Have we completely lost our belief and respect in the supernatural power of God?

    Perhaps this is why I cling to these spiritual giants, and take the others with a grain of salt. Of course, prayer and fasting are exactly what we should be doing. Whether it is Sacred Scripture, or revelations/apparitions such as Our Lady of Fatima, the very first thing we are called to do is to pray — and pray with intensity. Fasting, we have been taught, adds intensity to our prayer.

    Of course, this “crusade for prayer and fasting” is not a substitute for action, but a power that feeds action, and keeps it aligned with the will of God. God will act; we will act, but it will be done through the supernatural power of God.”

    Joining her voice to that of Fr. Heilman’s, Dagmar Adames, the laywoman who leads a Central and South American network of prayer from Panama, responded that, “‘Rosario sin Fronteras’ will join the U.S. (in this crusade of prayer and sacrifice). You can count on that. We are working and praying for the success of this, along with the events on October 13.”

    From India, lay leader Melissa Miranda and her team of clergy responded that her network — which estimated in the millions, last year — would participate in the call for prayer and fasting, intending “that the Holy Spirit may guide the Church in the right direction.”

    In Mexico, lay leader Gaby Pacheco, responded, “From Mexico, we join through www.cristoenlinea.tv. In the end the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph!”

    Fr Heilman concluded, exhorting all who would read or hear of this “Crusade of Prayer and Fasting,” to consider joining forces. “Please, please let’s do the ‘Nineveh thing,’ and join Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider — and the world — in humbling ourselves as we call out, with every fiber of our being, to Almighty God during this challenging time!”

    Bree A. Dail is the international coordinator for Rosary Coast to Coast and the Holy League of Nations.
     
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  20. djmoforegon

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    Thanks, Carol, for this reminder. I believe this is the strongest and most aggressive action that we lay people have at our disposal. Now if we can place ourselves in front of Our Lord in Adoration during any part of this Novena, we will pick up a figurative sword and armor.
     

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