Here's a link to EWTN's report about Archbishop Wilton Gregory replacing Cardinal Wuerl. Am I missing something, or are they saying that his race was the reason he was promoted? And they said it without batting an eyelid?????
"ROBERT ROYAL, editor-in-chief of TheCatholicThing.org, and FR. GERALD MURRAY, canon lawyer and priest of the Archdiocese of New York join us for complete analysis of the new apostolic exhortation on youth, Christ Is Living, and more. STEVE BANNON, former Chief White House Strategist and founder of Citizens of the American Republic joins us to talk about Vatican-China relations, US foreign policy and his controversial new academy in Europe that seeks to defend the Judeo Christian West. ABBY JOHNSON, pro-life activist and actress ASHLEY BRATCHER return to discuss the unexpected box-office success of their new film UNPLANNED, what it means for the future of the pro-life movement."
I just watched the show on EWTN. I don't think Fr. Murray meant that he was promoted because he was African American, but I think he was just saying it is a good thing to see the first African American Archbishop of our nations capital. I think the Archbishop was promoted because of his views, but the fact that he is of African descent could be used by some to try to paint those who are protesting his promotion as racists.
P., I also see Dolours' point, I think. It's strange that there was no mention of any of the concerns that some Catholics have voiced in relation to Bishop Wilton Gregory's new appointment. The EWTN commentators on both Lauren Ashburn's show and the World Over made almost no mention of the many concerns contained in the following article https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/p...be-new-archbishop-of-washington-vatican-hints . On World Over, they only briefly mentioned that Bishop Wilton Gregory appears to be a continuation of Cardinal Wuerl and they are trying to remain hopeful about his appointment. It seemed strange to me last night when I watched the program. I couldn't recall all of the concerns in regard to Bishop Gregory that we discussed on MOG but I knew that there we quite a few. This LifeSiteNews article highlights several concerns that EWTN never mentioned, I am a bit surprised by this. Here is an excerpt from this article: More recently, as head of the Archdiocese of Atlanta, Gregory has displayed an uncritical willingness to accept LGBT ideology in defiance of the Church’s Magisterium. Last year, Gregory personally invited pro-gay Vatican adviser Fr. James Martin to give a speech titled “Showing Welcome and Respect in Our Parishes to LGBT Catholics” at both St. Thomas More Parish and at Atlanta’s Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. “During a 2017 visit to Washington, Archbishop Wilton Gregory, the reported next Archbishop of Washington, mentioned his support for James Martin, SJ’s Building a Bridge,” noted one Twitter user. “He called Fr. Martin a wonderful Jesuit and called the book a wonderful book.” During a 2017 visit to Washington, Archbishop Wilton Gregory, the reported next Archbishop of Washington, mentioned his support for @JamesMartinSJ's Building a Bridge. He called Fr. Martin a wonderful Jesuit and called the book a wonderful book: https://t.co/P7kHOknh3y Gregory has permitted the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception to act as a center for LGBT events, including LGBT potluck socials and participating in the city’s Pride Parade. Since 2014, he has also allowed the pro-homosexual and pro-transgenderism “Catholic” group, Fortunate and Faithful Families, to hold retreats in his Atlanta Chancery, while personally saying Mass for the group. The shrine’s pastor, who has shown himself to be at home operating within Atlanta’s gay subculture, was chosen by Archbishop Gregory to serve as a spiritual director for victims of sex abuse for the archdiocese. In 2017, Archbishop Gregory gave the keynote address at the Association of United States Catholic Priests (AUSCP) conference. The group backs the ordination of women to the diaconate and is open to the idea of the Church approving the use of contraception. Archbishop Gregory has proven to be an avid supporter of Amoris Laetitia, signaling a willingness to allow divorced and “remarried” Catholics to receive communion. I hope that EWTN's voice is not getting stifled somehow.
DeGaulle, For some reason, I decided to re-watch the following video yesterday and I was reminded of your post when I did. The video is from the Irish program the Late, Late Show, an episode in 1981 in which they discuss the apparitions of Our Lady of Garabandal. I like these old videos because they are a sort of time capsule in a way. I thought that many here may want to watch it. At the end of the video, they allow viewers to call in with their questions. There are at least two calls which specifically reminded me of your post above. In addition, I think that followers of Our Lady of Garabandal may truly be interested in this video. 18 June 1965 As my message of October l8th has not been complied with and has not been made known to the world, I am advising you that this is the last one. Before, the cup was filling up. Now it is flowing over. Many cardinals, many bishops, and many priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them. Less and less importance is being given to the Eucharist. You should turn the wrath of God away from yourselves by your efforts. If you ask His forgiveness with sincere hearts, He will pardon you. I, your mother, through the intercession of Saint Michael the archangel, ask you to amend your lives. You are now receiving the last warnings. I love you very much and do not want your condemnation. Pray to us with sincerity and we will grant your requests. You should make more sacrifices. Think about the passion of Jesus.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/catho...ery-says-bible-shouldnt-be-used-to-justify-it Catholic cardinal calls mass migration ‘a new form of slavery,’ says Bible shouldn’t be used to promote it Adam Shaw1 day ago Cardinal Robert Sarah arrives at Narita International Airport on May 13, 2011 in Narita, Japan. (Photo by Jun Sato/Getty Images) A top African cardinal of the Catholic Church branded mass migration a “new form of slavery” and said those who seek to use the Bible to promote migration are pushing a “false" interpretation of the scriptures. “It is a false exegesis to use the Word of God to promote migration. God never wanted these rifts,” Cardinal Robert Sarah said in a new interview with French publication Valeurs Actuelles. POPE FRANCIS TAKES THINLY VEILED SWIPE AT TRUMP, CALLS OUT LEADERS WHO WANT WALLS Sarah, who serves as the head of the Vatican's liturgy office, is often named in traditionalist circles as their hope to one day succeed Pope Francis. He's frequently made waves with his more conservative stances on liturgical practices, Islam, migration and other issues. Those positions were on full display in the French article, in which Sarah, from Guinea, blasted priests and bishops who “say fuzzy things, vague, imprecise, to escape criticism, and they marry the stupid evolution of the world.” On Europe, Sarah said that the Church should not cooperate with the increasing acceptance by politicians of mass migration into the traditionally Christian continent. “All migrants who arrive in Europe are penniless, without work, without dignity...This is what the Church wants?” he asked. “The Church can not cooperate with this new form of slavery that has become mass migration. If the West continues in this fatal way, there is a great risk that, due to a lack of birth, it will disappear, invaded by foreigners, just as Rome has been invaded by barbarians.” Sarah added: “My country is predominantly Muslim. I think I know what reality I'm talking about." POPE FRANCIS CALLS CHURCH CRITICS 'FRIENDS OF THE DEVIL' AS ABUSE VICTIMS DEMAND TO MEET HIM Sarah’s comments are in stark contrast to those from Pope Francis on the subject. Francis has repeatedly stressed the value of migration and has encouraged European countries, in particular, to open their border to flows of migrants coming from the third world. Video Last week, he spoke in Morocco, the main destination for sub-Saharan African migrants seeking to reach Europe via Spain, and frequently mentioned migration. "The issue of migration will never be resolved by raising barriers, fomenting fear of others or denying assistance to those who legitimately aspire to a better life for themselves and their families," Francis said. He also praised Morocco’s efforts to allow religious coexistence and to promote moderate forms of Islam. But Sarah is much more skeptical of whether the Church should be open to immigration. He cited the example of Poland, a Catholic country that has strict immigration policies, and said he had urged it not to sacrifice its Polish and Catholic identities “on the altar of a technocratic and stateless Europe.” “She is free to tell Europe that everyone was created by God to be placed in a specific place, with its culture, traditions, and history,” he told the paper. “This current desire to globalize the world by suppressing nations, specificities, is pure madness.” CLICK HERE TO GET THE FOX NEWS APP In the interview, he urged Europe to avoid embracing materialism and forgetting its Christian heritage, warning that it could lead to the extinction of Europe itself. “If Europe disappears, and with it the invaluable values of the old continent, Islam will invade the world," Sarah said. "And we will totally change culture, anthropology, and moral vision."
Cardinal Sarah said: But Sarah is much more skeptical of whether the Church should be open to immigration. He cited the example of Poland, a Catholic country that has strict immigration policies, and said he had urged it not to sacrifice its Polish and Catholic identities “on the altar of a technocratic and stateless Europe.” “She is free to tell Europe that everyone was created by God to be placed in a specific place, with its culture, traditions, and history,” he told the paper. “This current desire to globalize the world by suppressing nations, specificities, is pure madness.” Unfortunately, the warning comes too late for the Ireland government which has embraced the values of the Eurozone! Safe Under Mary's Mantle!
CCC 2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him. Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.
I think the talk about the appointment last night was an attempt to give Archbishop Gregory the benefit of the doubt in his new posting. I think it was the wise choice. Most people don't know him. If he proves to be problematic then there will be plenty of time to talk about him in the future. For right now though I think stomping on him before he even starts the new job would just look bad for the Papal Posse. I think it is all about knowing when to speak up and knowing when to refrain. I think they made their position known in an understated manner.
Dr. Taylor Marshall has 2 recent videos dealing with immigration and the view the Church has had on it for the past 2000 years. They are chock full of good info of which I was unaware. St. Thomas Aquinas and all that.
With respect to that painting of Our Lady with Our Lord that we are referring to, I think it is fair to say that most people at the time of its crafting would have been much more familiar, and comfortable, with dead bodies than people living currently in the West. This modern evasion of death is not beneficial.
P., I really like the Papal Posse (Robert Royal and Fr. Gerald Murray) and Raymond Arroyo but in this case I believe that they should have at least have mentioned the following from the LifeSiteNews article, that the lay group - the Catholic Laity for Orthodox Bishops and Reform "expressed grave “reservations” about the appointment of Archbishop Gregory as archbishop of Washington" and that this group even went so far to request the Holy See to seek out a different candidate to replace Cardinal Wuerl. They didn't have to go into any more detail than this because I understand what you are saying too. *** Robert Royal brings up a good point in the following article which is that the Church in the US has already been doing a lot of the things that Pope Francis has suggested in his latest exhortation and those things have not brought much fruit. In Search of Young People Robert Royal | https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2019/04/04/in-search-of-young-people/ Thursday, April 4, 2019 Some years ago, my pastor talked me into teaching “Catholic Morals” to high-school sophomores. I can’t say that I look back to those three years with, uh, pleasure. Or satisfaction. Some of my students are still Catholic; others lapsed. The whole experience left me with profound appreciation for anyone who knows how to work with and really reach young people with the Good News in a dying culture like our post-truth West. I’m, therefore, somewhat indulgent towards anyone who even tries to evangelize young people, especially since the dreaded Millennials have made their appearance. It’s easy to criticize failures; hard to know what to do – or sometimes even where to start. If you think you have an answer, try it out somewhere – see what happens. I’ve written here about a few outfits who may yet save us. The harvest could be great, but there aren’t nearly enough laborers (or good ideas) in the vineyard. I also wrote almost daily about the Synod on Youth last October, with a mixture of hope about the goals and doubts about the approach. And I read Pope Francis’ Post Synodal Exhortation for that synod, Christus vivit! (“Christ Lives!”), which was released Tuesday, with similar expectations. There are some quite moving pages in this lengthy document, encouraging young people to aspire to great things, to become themselves actors in their own stories, to speak to the Church, even when they have doubts, and be open to answers they may receive from older relatives and trusted authority figures in the Church. And above all to be open to the reality of Jesus Christ. The Exhortation argues that the young should help teach those in the Church wedded to dead older models of outreach, how to talk to young people today. Instead of lectures on faith and morals, the young themselves should encourage the building up of communities through various groups and activities: attending to the poor and marginalized, working for social justice, developing new music ministries, liturgical celebrations, and social activities. There’s also encouragement about seeing work – all work – as a vocation in addition to the more traditional forms of religious vocations, This is all to the good – especially, I believe, encouraging young people who are enthusiastic about the Faith to reach out to other young people. And to marry and form families – a need that, as I suggested to several bishops during the Synod, was being neglected. In my view, though, there’s still not enough emphasis on not only falling in love and marrying for life, but also having children. There’s much vaguer talk about deep love generating life. But especially in the developed world, where populations are collapsing, saying explicitly that for most people their vocation will be a job, marriage, and having children would have made this document far more pointed. One of the ironies about the exhortation is that it pretty much describes what Catholic schools and youth ministries have been doing for decades – at least in the United States – as if it’s something novel. And as potentially effective, when it’s been, in large part, ineffective. The Church here continues to hemorrhage young people. Indeed, is there any country in the modern world where the doctrinal has been excessively and rigidly emphasized over the pastoral? Where the adults drive people away with stale repetition of morals and doctrines, and don’t put greater effort into socializing and “welcoming” than in teaching and forming? The pope often suggests this. But my guess is: probably only rarely since Vatican II. In fact, to judge by the evidence we have of what programs seem to attract the most students and actually lead to their living authentic Christian lives, it’s the ones that combine pastoral outreach with a substantial dose of Catholic truth. Bishop Robert Barron has been pointing out for years that the single factor most young people cite for turning away from the Faith is that they think science has made belief unbelievable. It may very well be, as Pope Francis claims, that starting out with arguments to the contrary may put many people off. That’s only to say that we first meet people where they are. But I see the popularity among young people of figures like Jordan Peterson – and Bishop Barron himself. And it leads me to believe that many are looking for something meatier than the millionth repetition of (otherwise true) assertions that God loves us. Christ is mentioned a lot in the Exhortation – Fr. Antonio Spadaro S.J., who probably had a hand in the drafting, has written a glowing article pointing out that not only does Christ “live” in the title, but “’Life,’ ‘living,’ ‘alive’ are terms repeated throughout the text some 280 times, just as many times as the word ‘young,’ which is the key to the exhortation.” Quite true, but maybe that near obsession – a half dozen times per page by my count – also reflects a certain limitation. Because it’s also true that you can read through this lengthy text and never see the words “heaven” (except in one quotation), “death,” “afterlife,” “eternity” (except as God willing us from all eternity, not as a future state), etc. This surprised me so much that I actually did word searches, thinking maybe I’d overlooked something in a quick first reading. But no. The whole question of what happens when we die is absent – as well as whether “outreach” to young people is merely a way to give them a richer human experience – a sociological and psychological goal – or matters eternally in some transcendent sense. And that means that other than a ramped up sense of forgiveness and Christ’s accompaniment of all his children, there’s a lot here that the best of the secular world could already offer young people. And does, along with indulgences for fornication, homosexuality, and abortion. You can argue over the many and various ways the Exhortation tries to remove obstacles to reaching the large swaths of young people now distant and profoundly uninterested in religion, especially Catholicism. But the reluctance to touch on some of the most consequential matters of the Faith may be one of the very things that has failed to attract young people desperately searching for deeper answers.
I was referring to what looked like a statue. I am not offended persay by the site of a corpse, though my person experience is more frequently with being laid out in a casket. Granted that is becoming far too uncommon in recent years. But that's another matter..I just didn't think it was a very realistic depiction at that stage. I could be very mistaken.
Mark Mallett's break down: THE AFRICAN NOW WORD https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2019/04/05/the-african-now-word/
I hadn't seen the World Over programme with Fr. Murray when I posted that link to the EWTN Nightly News report. In fairness, Ed Pentin did mention some other reasons for choosing Archbishop Gregory. I was wondering today what do we gain from reading about all that's happening in the management of the Church. The Church isn't a democracy, so there's little we can do about it. Even if we had some influence, how can we be sure that it would be an improvement? I know that I would make a terrible bishop. Coward that I am, I doubt that I would have done any better than many of them had I been in their position. It's easy to be wise in hindsight. Something about what Steve Bannon was saying made me nervous. I can't explain why, but my instincts are telling me to beware of turning the Church into a political battle ground. I know that the Catholic Spring crowd have already politicised the Church, but I'm not convinced that God would want us adopting their tactics. Maybe it will take the Church losing all the worldly possessions and influence, as predicted by Pope Benedict, to get us back on track. If so, why fight it? Adopting the ostrich approach to national news has made my life less stressful, so maybe it's time to extend it to Church news. Wouldn't our time be better spent working out our own salvation in fear and trembling?
