The Virgin will crush the serpent's head. She will conquer. After that it isn't very clear what will happen...will it be an Era of peace...will it be the Father's Will on earth as it is in Heaven? No one can say definitively, but we can all agree that we want satan's head to be crushed. Also the time when She will crush and if there is a critical mass of believers before She will crush is a point of massive contention. I think there needs to be a critical mass of believers before She will crush and because She hasn't achieved that yet, we all have to wait around for more people to believe in God and give Him the level of worship and honor that is His due. My motivation for posting the Medjugorje messages and the five recommendations is to help Our Lady get more believers. I think that is also the reason why Lynne posts the Divine Will messages. We know that these devotions will not attract all, but I respectfully ask that I may be permitted to continue to post. The Mother of God forum is why we post about the workings of the Mother of God in our world, today. You may not believe this and I do not fault you for that...please do not belittle the people that are posting not out of malice, but with a sincere desire to help Our Lady crush soon and hard.
You literally didn’t acknowledge a thing I said.... Do you agree with his accessment? I’m not belittling out of malice. I’m defending out of love. That’s the difference.
Dear Fatima, Let us always remember that the evil one is way more powerful than you, I or Lusia but is no match for The Holy Mother of God, Mary Most Holy! Let us consider the Mystic, Magdalena of the Cross and her seeming reception of Holy communion alone for 40 years in our deliberation of the alledged holiness of lusia piccarreta ! Sister Magdalena of the Cross -The devil's saint for 40 years. This false mystic, Sr. Magdalena of the Cross lived from (1487-1560). The renowned Franciscan nun made a pact with Satan. Sister Magdalena of the Cross (Magdalena de la Cruz) was born in Córdoba (Cordova) in Andalusia, Spain in 1487. Named after the mystic St. Mary Magdalene! Sr. Magdalena of the Cross! Her (apparent) outstanding piety and the miracles that she performed were known throughout Spain, and even much of Europe. Magdalena becomes a Franciscan nun In 1504, at age 17, Magdalena at last obtains what seems to be the great desire of her life: to become a Franciscan nun- a spiritual daughter of St. Francis and St. Clare. Because of her reputation for holiness, she is joyfully admitted to the Franciscan convent of Saint Elizabeth of the Angels in Cordova (Convento de Santa Isabel de los Ángeles), and she soon edifies and inspires the admiration of many of the nuns. Once a nun she seemingly stops eating completely, apparently living only on Holy Communion alone. Magdalena continues to astound many with her apparent extraordinary devotion and her remarkable desire to make reparation for sin. Many saw her as a living saint- for who else but a saint could do such extraordinary penances? When she whips herself to bleeding point while doing penance, her wounds are miraculously healed the next day to everyone's great surprise. She is healthy, and everything about her seems wholesome! Sr. Magdalena de la Cruz is elected Abbess And so it is that for twenty-nine years Magdalena's notoriety has grown in proportion to her alleged virtues, and she has led an existence which, although full of sometimes astounding events, has contributed for the most part in a positive way to the convent’s enrichment through her practice of virtue and the apparent signs from heaven which inspire the faithful. The new abbess Magdalena encourages severe mortifications and penances. With Magdalena now in charge, in the beginning life in the convent hardly changes, except Mother Magdalena seems to have a strong penchant for the practice of severe penances, and she exhorts her religious sisters to do likewise. In doing so, the new Abbess sometimes provokes very difficult scenes. However Magdalena relaxes other rules of the Order Yet, surprsingly, the abbess Magdalena of the Cross relaxes some long-standing rules of the Order that have exsisted for centuries. This of course causes concern first and foremost amongst the other Franciscan communities in her order, and also with the Archbishop and the priests within the local Church itself. Yet, as in the past, her reputation for holiness goes before her, and she is allowed to relax many rules of the Order within her own convent. St Francis allegedly appears to her, and dispenses her from Confession Not only does Magdalena on the one hand encourage severe penances and mortifications, and on the other hand she relaxes some of the rules of the Order, but now apparently because of her "saintliness" Saint Francis, the founder of her Order allegedly appears to her one night and dispenses her from having to go to Confession in the future. Magdalena's prophesies It is at this time that another prodigious mystical gift of Sr. Magdalena appears: she can seemingly predict the future. In 1515, she announces the death of King Ferdinand for the following year, which comes to pass as foretold, and also the regency of Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros over the kingdom of Castile. In sign of gratitude, Cardinal Jiménez has a beautiful vermilion ostensory given to her, which increases the admiration and devotion to her. There are however some "red flags" to some people. She is seemingly not too discrete about her spiritual life and merits; she inflicts severe mortifications upon herself, carries a heavy cross all around the convent and kisses her companions’ feet and the nuns are divided concerning Magdalena's alleged holiness Her fast from food is subjected to a stringent test. The next elected Abbess requests that a vigilant guard of two monks from the nearby Franciscan monastery be positioned at the entrance to Magdalena's cell with a 24 hour watch; the two monks taking turns with others in a rotating schedule. Additionally, she even orders that the window shutters of the chamber be nailed shut. After a few days, it is discovered that Magdalena has suddenly disappeared. They look for her everywhere, and soon find her in the completely opposite part of the garden, asleep near a fountain. The monks assure the abbess that they have not relaxed their surveillance for an instant. For her part, Sr. Magdalena reveals that it is Saint Francis himself who transported her to this place. Of course nobody is able to give any explanation for this prodigy, and it is concluded that this is but another miracle in the extraordinary life of Sister Magdalena of the Cross. With doubts continuing to mount, Magdalena is again suspected of receiving food clandestinely, as she is still said to be fasting on a daily basis for over thirty years now. Add to this, one day, a little iron box containing Communion wafers is brought to the Abbess. This box, found under Magdalena’s bed, seems to prove that the miracle of spontaneous Sister Magdalena of the Cross admits to a 40 year pact with the devil An Inquisitor is sent to investigate the thorny matter by the express order of Cardinal Juan Pardo de Tavera, the Primate of Spain. He is much younger than the Rev. Don Juan of Cordova and he inspires her with confidence. She reveals to him that the beautiful dark-haired young man who appeared to her at the age of five was in fact the devil. He had promised her fame and the respect of everyone, if she would consent to obey him always. It is also satan who inspires her cries in the night that are in no way inspired by the ecstatic love that she has for the Creator, but by the demon’s evil caresses. Upon hearing such disconcerting admissions, the Inquisitor is horrified and almost instinctively he makes the sign of the Cross upon himself. Immediately, Sr. Magdalena starts to insult the priest with vile and abhorrent words. She then begins to roll around the floor in her cell, and bites anything she can, while striking indecent poses and mimicking the vile copulations that she has performed with Balban for nearly forty years. Because he is an experienced Inquisitor, the good monk had asked the older, more experienced nuns to stay in the corridor to write down the fallen Magdalena's words, so as to be able to document and later serve as witnesses. From here, Sr. Magdalena de la Cruz' case is well documented and quickly prepared. The Exorcisms of Sister Magdalena begin During the extended course of interrogations that were part of the ongoing exorcism during which Balban is very reluctantly dislodged from Magdalena, she confesses that it was also the devil who came to feed her in secret! The judgement of the Religious Tribunal As for the once renowned Sr. Magdelena de la Cruz, now fully exorcised and free of the demons who are forced to reveal that they are leaving forever the body and soul of the possessed woman, she is then judged by the religious tribunal on May 3, 1546. The important lessons learned through the extraordinary case of Magdalena of the Cross Magdalena had arrived so high in her reputation for sainthood that she had been the counseller of kings, emperors, and above all, of the great Church dignitaries. Yet the trial’s conclusions about this are very interesting. The outcome of the long and detailed trial by the judges concludes that in the end the only real dupe in this affair is the devil, himself. For those who study the lives of visionaries and the mystics of the Church, Magdalena's extraordinary yet fraudulent mystical life replete with numerous alleged supernatural and mystical gifts that almost perfectly mimic the ones given to authentic mystics should serve as a very grave warning of how the devil can ape and mimic God's works, and can be exceedingly convincing while doing so. For as we see in the case of Sr. Magdalena, he was able to decieve even Cardinals, priests, theologians and others who were very experienced in the mystical life and spiritual matters. So Fatima let us take to heart the spiritual lesson above...... and realise that all that glitters is not necessarily gold, and that the devil does not counterfeit tin or copper, or even silver---he seeks to counterfeit gold. So we need to be very careful, with the help of God, not to be misled by his phony deceptions and false mystics. May Jesus inspire, guide and protect us, and may the Blessed Virgin Mary cover us under Her mantle. St Michael the archangel, defend us in battle! God Bless
Thank you, Josephite. What was missing in Magdalena was humility, too. I knew about her but not in this much detail.
Hasn't Luisa's spiritual director been declared a saint? Also isn't Luisa now considered a servant of God? If she was able to only live on the Eucharist through a false miracle from the devil, why did the Church make her spiritual director a saint and set Luisa on the path to sainthood? The importance of the divine Will of God was also made known in messages from the Virgin Mary to the priests. Here is one such message from October 27, 1980 Melbourne, Australia #213 h.-m. A true reunification of Christians is not possible except in the perfection of love. And who, better than your heavenly Mother, can help you to love, understand and have compassion for each other, to know and esteem each other? For this reason a true reunion of Christians is not possible without an effort towards interior conversion and purification, in order to attain solely the fulfillment of the divine will. This is the divine will for you: that all may be one. And who better than I can help her children travel along this difficult road? I am for you the way of unity. When I am accepted by the whole Church, then, as a Mother, I will be able to reunite my children in the warmth of a single family. For this reason, the reunion of all Christians in the Catholic Church will coincide with the triumph of my Immaculate Heart in the world. This reunited Church, in the splendor of a new Pentecost, will have the power to renew all the people of the earth. The world will believe in Him whom the Father has sent, and will be completely renewed in His Spirit of love.
I find this thread interesting in that those in favour of Luisa and those against, all have something in common... that of trying to look out for their brothers and sisters in Christ. Thanks to everyone for that!
I admit I cannot understand this Devotion, perhaps a special grace from God is required and I have just not gotten it yet. It was the same with Divine Mercy it took many years to sink in. Perhaps I am a slow learner. Anyway here is an interesting article on Divine Will as regards the Holy Souls: http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2015/11/prayer-in-divine-will-for-holy-souls-in.html Prayer in the Divine Will for the Holy Souls in Purgatory Prayer in the Divine Will for the Holy Souls in Purgatory From the writings of Luisa Picarreta (translated from the original Italian by Mrs. Angelica Avcikurt) In the entry of March 14, 1919 in Volume 12 of the writings of Luisa Picarreta, she wrote: “Being in my usual state, I found myself outside of myself and I saw my deceased confessor. A thought came to me, ‘ask if you are obliged or not to tell, and therefore to write that which you have not told your confessor.’ I asked him telling him what the matter was and he said, ‘Yes, you are obligated.’ And he added, ‘Once you offered a beautiful suffrage for me. If you knew how much good it did to me, the refreshment and consolation that I felt and the years (in purgatory)it shortened!’ I said, ‘I don’t remember. Tell me what it was and I will repeat it.’ He said, ‘You entered in the Divine Will and took the power, the immensity of His love, the great merit of the sufferings of the Son of God and of all the Divine Qualities…then you came and poured everything over me and I was bathed in the Love that contains the divine power, a bath of beauty, a bath of the Precious Blood and of all the divine qualities. Who can tell the great good that you did to me? They were all baths that contained power and divine greatness. Repeat it for me. Repeat it for me…’” ______________________________________________________________________________ The following prayer was inspired by the above writings of Luisa Picarreta and may be said for nine days as a novena: Eternal Father, I immerse myself in Your Divine Will, I take and make mine all His power, the immensity of His love; I make mine the great merit of the sufferings of Your Son Jesus Christ, all His Passion, His every wound, His every thorn, every drop of His Blood, and I make mine all of His most holy humanity, His every act, all of His merits, His Holiness and His Divinity; I take all the acts of the Blessed Virgin Mary, all of her holiness, her merits and her sufferings, and making this infinite capital all mine, I pour it over the souls in Purgatory (especially over the soul of ……..), so that immersed in this bath of power and divine immensity, their sufferings may be shortened and they may be admitted sooner into Your Presence in order to Praise You in the Celestial Homeland. Amen.
I think you could have nailed it Padraig in that it is a special grace. I was introduced to this way of life in Medjugorje many years ago by Our Lady in a spiritual experience, but it took some further years of prayer before I actually was able to take it on board. I resisted for a long time in that I felt I didn't need another devotion. But ever since I decided to study the volumes under a competent church approved lecturer, from day one Our Lady gave me the gift of infused knowledge, (I didn't know what infused knowledge was until then and was explained to me by said lecturer) The best way I can describe it is when I am reading the Divine Will writings / volumes, I have an understanding of them as if I had already read them even though I am certain I haven't! So yes I would agree it is a grace, but not a devotion, more a way of living.
Luisa and her spiritual director were not one and the same person. It's more than likely that Magdalena fooled a lot of saintly people. There's no reason to suppose that she wouldn't have met the "Servant of God" requirements had she died before she gained a position of authority in the convent. Many people are "put on the path to sainthood" but very few are canonised. No living person, saint or not, is infallible. Only the Pope can make that claim, and not without limitations. Please, please don't take that to mean that I believe Luisa was not a holy, devout and saintly woman. The main problem I have with people quoting Luisa and giving an interpretation is that there is no guarantee that either the quotes or the interpretations will make it into any critical edition of the writings approved by the Magisterium of the Church. An accurate translation is nothing more than a translation of what Luisa wrote. I get the impression from some people promoting Luisa's writings that Jesus gave some kind of new revelation or teaching to Luisa for the universal Church. If that's true, I don't see how its approval can rest solely with the local Bishop, yet I'm getting the impression from posts on this forum that the Vatican is little more than a rubber stamp for the Bishop of Trani. How can any single Bishop, other than the Bishop of Rome, have the authority to make a decision which will influence how the universal Church understands the Our Father or the Divine Will? It could well transpire that the relevant dicastry in the Vatican (with Papal approval) will make a determination that some of what Luisa wrote isn't worthy of belief and should not be included in the critical edition. It's also possible, and very likely, that the critical edition will have a preface with an instruction that certain passages may only be understood in line with established Church teaching - that settled teaching being heavily referenced in footnotes directing readers to specific paragraphs in the Catechism or to previous Magisterial declarations on articles of faith. Should that happen, can the people who have been quoting their own "approved" translations and posting their own interpretations across the internet go back and edit what they have posted? I have seen accusation of gnosticism leveled at some of Luisa's more extreme devotees. I'm not qualified to determine whether the accusations are warranted, but some of it has an unhealthy cultish tone to it. "Wait for the Pope" seems to me to be the most prudent approach.
Padraig, This is a beautiful prayer and well worth saying. And perhaps this all occurred so that such a beautiful prayer is available for us to pray today. But I also remember a story shared by Padre Pio. He was praying in the monastery's chapel one day, and a sacristan came in and took so long preparing the altar that he became a distraction to Padre Pio. When confronted by the holy friar, the sacristan revealed himself as one of the poor souls who remained in Purgatory due to his lack of reverence he demonstrated in his life around the Holy Tabernacle! He begged Padre Pio to personally offer a Holy Mass on his behalf so that he could immediately enter heaven. Padre Pio promised to do so, but still had not done so by the next morning. The poor soul appeared once more and indicated the suffering he had to endure since being allowed to speak to the holy friar the previous day. Padre Pio was convicted of his "tardiness" and immediately offered a Holy Mass as requested. So as much as I may use this prayer now and then during the week, I would think having a Holy Mass offered for a poor soul would be the most efficacious. Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
This video showed up on youtube when I watched the one linked by Dean. It's interesting, and I think relevant to the topic of this thread:
It does not take a special grace - Jesus tell us all that is needed is the disposition, the desire and the knowledge. If you are disposed ( in the state of grace), you truly desire to receive this Gift (just by asking for it - Jesus will grant you the Gift -:He says, “even if on loan), and have the knowledge of It, He will give it to you. This is not a devotion, but a Life (The Life of God). It is not necessary to read the 36 volumes of Luisa’s to enter into It. There are others who have this knowledge, such as Saint Faustina, Conchita de Armida, Archbishop Martinez, and many others, but I can tell you that should you begin to read the writings of the Book of Heaven, your heart will desire to know more and you will comtinue reading the volumes - especially important are the Passion book and the Queen book (Our Blessed Mother teaches us through Luisa). It is all about what Jesus taught us to pray in the Our Father - that His Will be done on earth as in Heaven. It is the “recall of the creature to the order and purpose for which it was created”. Also, does this prayer of Luisa’s sound like a heretic to you - this is what some people have called her and also those who desire this great Gift of God. If you read the book of her prayers you would see that this would be impossible. As Jesus once told me, “Put your hands in My Mothers and She will guide you.” I have done so, and She has lead me to the knowledge of living in the Will of God and not the wretched rags of my human will. Thanks be to God! God bless you. Lynne
Tell it to the Church or its continued authority over how this devotion is going forth during the more exact study. Those visiting here should not be led to think that that authority is either yourself or Colin Donovan! There has already been an accepted interpretation based on accepted translations in the one that has been presented and published and suggested to read: The Gift of Living in the Divine Will in the Writings of Luisa Piccarreta This is currently considered by Church experts who examined it as a provider of "reliable and ratified" (Peter B) translations of Luisa's writings beyond which is not obtainable anywhere else except perhaps by those who lived and knew Luisa herself and are therefore also experts on the dialect within her writings who have also provided the permission of certain devotees to teach about this great gift. So for those who have been frightened by some here who have quoted a couple of opinions by a couple of respected individuals, but still other than those closest to the ongoing study who continue to have the authority to oversee how teachings, readings, studies may currently go forth, the above treatise can be considered "safe" although it is more of a tome on the scholarly comprehension and not as simple an introduction for any interested "newbies". Just its footnotes due to his thoroughly documented and researched account are rather overwhelming but then they should create a sense of security for any who are fearful of this revelation for preparation for the arrival of the Interim Coming of Christ in the coming Eucharistic Era/Divine Will Era/Will "on earth as It is in Heaven". In 2012 the Pontifical Gregorian University of Rome, authorized by the Holy See, gave its official ecclesiastical approval to Rev. Iannuzzi’s doctoral thesis on Luisa’s doctrines. In 2013 this thesis received the written accolades of over 25 USA Catholic bishops that ensure sound doctrinal content for the Christian faithful. Rev. Iannuzzi's thoroughly documented and highly researched account of Piccarreta's life is unparalleled in its scope and depth. But even if one is averse to the writings themselves (which contain the meaning within themselves) then one can get a bit of the idea of this new life within those who lived a life at least partially, within the Divine Will, described as "living hosts" due to being fused to the Divine Will...and those, at least mentioned within their own diaries or biographies, are always favorites for most: St. Faustina, Dina Belanger, Conchita, St. Therese.....and others that escape my mind. And the comparison of being "widespread" to the Divine Mercy Devotion, there is still confusion about that as well within the faithful so it too is still in need of its goals being achieved to the degree intended....esp. within the Church itself at both the diocesan level and esp. the parish level. Not that many have cooperated with this in fact ordered celebration nor are the majority of the clergy even knowledgeable about its own "true interpretation". That greatest gift of Mercy even goes unnoticed, misunderstood, and even rejected (also due to improper eduction....that happens even after official approval) by those who must administer the meaning and all that is included in the requirements for the Feast. Re: the Divine Will, it too is widely known these days....throughout the world. There are permitted studies, esp. in private study, just about everywhere. There is a need of ordered sources since the original offerings except for some are no longer available to the general public, due only to creating an acceptable version for the faithful at large. And yet, from the experience of most, just the exposure to a few of the available writings, even in passing, holds the wholeness within that little bit since the never before "quality" of this revelation comes as pure gift to those who stay alert to any of heaven's intervention about this coming Time. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Now within the approved devotion of the messages of Luz de Maria under the approved title of "Queen and Mother of the End Times" is included a type of instruction on just what this Divine Will is and how it is connected to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. Jan. 24, 2019 YOU MUST ASPIRE TO ATTAINING THE GREATNESS OF TRUTH, AND THIS YOU WILL FIND BY LIVING IN THE DIVINE WILL Jan. 14, 2019 From pain and persecution, the Church of My Son will go to finding the door of Glory, totally surrendered to Divine Love, not to what you call "love for God" in this instant. SOME SAY THAT THEY LOVE GOD, AND YET DIVINE LOVE IS VERY DIFFERENT: IT IS THE FUSION OF MAN WITH HIS CREATOR. THE DIVINE WILL WILL TRIUMPH AND ALL CREATURES WILL LIVE IN IT AND PEACE WILL REIGN IN ALL PEOPLE. THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL TRIUMPH "ON EARTH AS IN HEAVEN" (Mt 6, 10b) AND MY CHILDREN WILL LIVE JOYFULLY IN TRUE LOVE. But now, My children, you must pray and act, for you have not been purified of everything. My Words: "IN THE END MY IMMACULATE HEART WILL TRIUMPH" have not been understood ... Humanity will have to become aware that calling oneself a Christian is more than a name, it is Eternal Salvation when one works and acts consciously within the Divine Law that calls all My children to be love in the midst of the calamities in which You will see the Church of My Son enveloped because of the betrayals to which it has been subjected and that will lead it to be totally renewed according to the Divine Will and not that of men. And since the title of this particular thread is the AC here are messages from this approved Luz de Maria devotion: https://revelacionesmarianas.com/en/antichrist.html _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ and, Jesus to Luisa: When I (Jesus) make a Truth Known to man it is a Sign that I (Jesus) want to Give it to him as a Gift. .....this is not yet Known; such that it will appear strange to not a few. And he who does not have his mind open to the Light of the Truth will not understand anything about it; but, little by little, I (Jesus) shall make My Way… ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The better thread read for tasting the Divine Will as given through Luisa is of course: http://motheofgod.com/threads/the-new-and-divine-holiness.12798/page-9#post-241066
This is the kind of offensive comment that screams "cult" to me. I didn't bother reading past the second sentence because it's indicative of the very opposite of coming from God's pure love. I don't know Colin Donovan. Evidently you aren't a fan. I hope he prays for you and all his enemies. I make no claim to being an authority. Urging people to wait for the Vatican approved critical edition is not asserting my own authority. This is my final communication with you until you learn some manners.
Thank you for sharing, border collie. How wonderful the Love of God has been to you through Our Lady! I believe you have been given a singular grace by God, part of his mysterious plans. And I wish I could sit down with you and hear all about it! Your experience, precious as it is, might not imply a universal endorsement for everyone. I say this out of respect for the more cautious members on MOG, especially those who choose to await the publication of definitive translations and insights by the Vatican. I once read a book by a Catholic German theologian who wrote a thesis on Martin Luther and the disastrous consequences of his rebellion. This theologian emphasized that Luther was an extremely scrupulous individual who almost daily burdened his confessor with the weight of his sins (real or imagined). Then he had his tower experience: The Tower Experience ...Here are Luther's own words as he describes what happened as he was studying Romans 1:17 (and reading the insights of Augustine on this verse from a fairly obscure article he had written centuries before)- "For in it (the gospel) the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, "The righteous shall live by faith." - Rom 1:17 "I greatly longed to understand Paul's epistle to the Romans and nothing stood in the way but that one expression "the righteousness of God," because I took it to mean that righteousness whereby God is just and deals justly in punishing the unjust. My situation was that, although an impeccable monk, I stood before God as a sinner troubled in conscience, and I had no confidence that my merit would assuage Him. Therefore I did not love a just angry God, but rather hated and murmured against Him. Yet I clung to the dear Paul and had a great yearning to know what he meant. Night and day I pondered until I saw the connection between the righteousness of God and the statement that "the just shall live by faith." Then I grasped that the righteousness of God is that righteousness by which through grace and sheer mercy God justifies us through faith. Thereupon I felt myself to be reborn and to have gone through open doors into paradise. The whole of Scripture took on a new meaning, and whereas before "the righteousness of God" had filled me with hate, now it became to me inexpressibly sweet in greater love. This passage of Paul became to me a gate to heaven..." - Martin Luther The theologian, and I, now share a similar conviction. Perhaps the Lord in his mercy had given Luther an experience to free him from his vexations. Unfortunately, with his sharp mind and the aid of the new printing press, Luther ended up making universal claims, attacking the Church's fuller understanding of righteousness, and sparking the Protestant Rebellion. In juxtaposition to the condemnation of Luther, we have the example of Gamaliel in the Acts of the Apostles: 5:34 But a Pharisee in the council named Gama'li-el, a teacher of the law, held in honor by all the people, stood up and ordered the men to be put outside for a while. 35 And he said to them, "Men of Israel, take care what you do with these men. 36 For before these days Theu'das arose, giving himself out to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him; but he was slain and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37 After him Judas the Galilean arose in the days of the census and drew away some of the people after him; he also perished, and all who followed him were scattered. 38 So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this undertaking is of men, it will fail; 39 but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!" This all prompts me to make a suggestion to Padraig. This is about the third occasion that lynnfiat has started a thread in which she includes quotes and then insights from Luisa's writings, writings which have made it further through the Church's discernment process than Luther's ever did. Disagreement and estrangement appear inevitable because this divisive debate has occurred all three times. I believe you need to choose either (1) to allow those inspired by the Divine Will writings to enjoy their thread free from ongoing urging to stop, or (2) shut it down. It appears that the opposing sides are convinced of their respective positions and are unwilling to bend. Phil 1:27 Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of you that you stand firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the gospel.
I feel a healthy discussion helps all form a more solid stance on a very important revelation and gift from God. A few are steadfast opposed to this gift and others quite learned in this gift are doing what they believe God wants them to do in spreading the knowledge, desire and disposition for those who want this precious gift. Luisa is not the only prophet to speak to this precious gift, as Father Gobbi, messages from Verne in GSWYL, Luz de Maria and many others have been given messages speaking to this gift as well. If some don't accept it, fine. But I hope this gift will not be silenced on our Mothers forum, as she surely desires her son's gift of living in his Divine Will to be known in these last days prior to the warning and era of the Antichrist. It is what will allow many to perservere through it all. The fact that one member on MOG would go so far as to assume Luisa's living on the Eucharist alone for 65 years was a scam, when Luisa always had a spiritual director and one being a saint who gave her holy Eucharist daily while she was confined to a bed shows how desperate they are to try and discredit God's holy servant and God's greatest gift of living in his Divine Will prior to the great tribulation, warning and era of peace within the fulfillment of our Lord's prayer for his kingdom to come on earth where his will shall be done as it is in heaven.
