Blessed Virgin Mary: Orthodox will return when Russia is Consecrated.

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  1. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    The Blessed Virgin Mary has made known in ongoing revelations called Holy Love that (1) Communism will be completely defeated and true and Full Conversion will come to Russia; (this includes in Venezuela etc; also Putin has said downfall of Soviet union was bad, he longs for another "Cuban missile crisis", Russian media, of course with his approval and permission, has marked specific U.S. states that will be decimated in "5 minutes" in the event of nuclear war) (2) Our Separated Orthodox Christian Brethren will cry out before the whole world for Unity with the Apostolic Throne of St. Peter and with Rome (3) Real Lasting Peace will come to the world. They were authorized for publication by Msgr. John Esseff.

    Edit: Please see - https://www.sign.org/articles/vatican-chief-exorcist-says-consecration-russia-still-not-d

    On March 25th, 1984, Pope St. John Paul II - after Our Lady of Fatima miraculously saved him during an assassination event (which many have written was likely ordered by Gorbachev behind the scenes) - together with all the Catholic Bishops wanted to Consecrate Russia specifically by name. But his ecumenical entourage for silly reasons like allegedly "offending" Orthodox, but really for appeasing Communist terrorists, persuaded him not to name Russia in the final Consecration, which consequently was only partial. Fr. Gabriel Amorth, an eyewitness on that day - a great Marian feast and the ideal day to repeat the Complete Consecration in future - bears witness to this, and even the final text, and visionaries like Fr. Gobbi confirm that the full Consecration was not made.

    Although Gorbachev said "The fall of the Soviet Union would have been impossible without Pope John Paul II (and therefore Our Lady of Fatima, and the Papal and Collegial Consecration)", this is what, playing both sides perhaps (?), he said in private to his own forces, “Gentlemen, Comrades, do not be concerned about all that you hear about ‘glasnost’ and ‘perestroika’ and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant change within the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans, and to let them fall asleep.” There is an old proverb that the Communist bear never dies - it only hibernates until it is ready to pounce. And the subsequent years, especially recent ones, confirm it. This is Our Lady's wondrous plan for peace, which is fully in line with what informed Catholics are observing around the world.

    Please read: http://locutions-forever.org/locutions/show/2014-08-17/2-the-stirring-in-russian-hearts

    When Russia is Consecrated
    The Stirring in Russian Hearts

    Sunday, August 17th, 2014


    Mary
    When Russia is consecrated to my Immaculate Heart, there will be a stirring in the hearts of all, but especially in the souls of the Russian people. They will receive an inner light and will understand what forces of evil were planted in their nation by Satan’s instruments.

    As their hearts are stirred, more and more light will fill them. They will reject both what has been forced upon them and what, to some degree, they themselves have chosen. All of these evils have formed their nation and their leaders into instruments of darkness, death and destruction. In this new stirring, they will fully reject what they have become and what they had been forced to accept.

    This stirring will grow greater as it manifests itself in outward demonstrations of a growing desire to return to its religious roots and, especially, to return to their devotion of my Immaculate Heart.

    No one will be able to stop this movement because their nation will have been specifically consecrated by the Holy Father and by all the Catholic bishops of the world. I have put my seal of promise upon this act of Consecration, and the graces flowing from it will not be turned back. Even though the most frightful opposition will arise, the stirring in the hearts of the Russian people for this new light will not be turned back.


    When Russia is Consecrated

    The Overcoming of Separation
    Monday, August 18th, 2014


    Mary
    I will place such great gifts in the hearts of the Russian people that they will not be satisfied with superficial changes. Instead, they will wipe away the divisions of the centuries.

    They will realize that I have released an ocean of graces which have changed their darkness into light. They will realize that they have been freed from the past century of diabolical control. They will also know that this great gift has come through the consecration of Russia made by the Holy Father in communion with all the bishops in the world.

    They will begin to question why they are separated from the Holy Father. Would all of this darkness have fallen if there had been no division? They will cry out for unity with Rome. This ocean will be so deep and so powerful that it will sweep away all opposition. The Russian people will overturn the centuries of division that have been forced upon them.

    That is why the Holy Father and all the bishops must make this Consecration in a public way and must specifically mention Russia. The Russian people must know the source of the gift. This is also why I wait and wait, even though the Holy Father delays. I must have the Holy Father act in the name of the Catholic Church so the Russian people know that the Catholic Church has released this gift. In this way, they will desire and bring about union with the Catholic Church.

    I unfold these revelations so all the world, especially the Church, can see what I intend and why I ask what I do.

    When Russia is Consecrated
    Better to Wait
    Tuesday, August 19th, 2014


    Mary
    Before the consecration of Russia takes place, many events will happen that will change the earth. Why do I wait? Why not act immediately? If these powers for the good of mankind lie in my heart, why not pour them forth now?

    When seen from earth’s perspective, the ways of heaven are often difficult to understand. Why did the human race lie in darkness for so many centuries before the Father sent his only begotten Son? Jesus came in “the fullness of time”, the earliest moment that the human race could receive. Heaven waited because earth was unable to receive.

    Before Jesus began his ministry, Israel needed John the Baptist to prepare the way. Otherwise, Israel would not have been ready for the gift of Jesus. Only heaven fully understands what must be done. Earth gains only glimpses of the full reality. By my words, I pull back this veil. Yet, even when I reveal heaven’s secrets, who believes? Who accepts the messages? Who acts? Who responds?

    I speak clearly. Heaven has a plan. That plan has been revealed. Promises have been made that will be fully kept once the conditions are fulfilled. Heaven does not change its plan just because earth does not accept it. Why do I wait? Certainly, it would be much better if the Consecration of Russia had already been made and the gift released. However, to release the gifts before the Holy Father and the bishops consecrate Russia would ruin the fruitfulness of the promises. It is better to wait.
     
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  2. AED

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    Xavier the holy love "revelations" have been condemned by the Church. Best to steer clear of them.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Wait a minute. https://www.amazon.com/Locutions-World-Editor-Msgr-Esseff/dp/149529983X These Locutions are found also in a book approved by this Priest. I think I may have confused them with something else. Are Locutions to the world and the holy love messages the same or different ones, then? Sorry for the confusion. But I think the locutions to the world - from which the above messages are - as can be read in the book on Amazon, are authorized for publication by Msgr. Esseff.
     
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    I was referring to "holy love"--i am not sure about locations to the world. Msgr Essef is a very holy priest.
     
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    Weren't Locutions To The World (LTTW) proven to be false? Didn't they make a very specific prediction for something to happen on a certain day and then nothing did?
     
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    LTTW is false. Msgr. Esseff who was the spiritual director of the "visionary" is a wise priest, but this just shows that even the wisest of us can be fooled. It should also be noted that no priest has the authority to approve any apparition. Only the local Bishop or the Vatican can do that.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Well, I again apologize for my mistake which confused the issue.

    Has LTTW ever been disapproved of by the local Bishop or by Rome, Praetorian? I think no. As I understand it, Catholics are free to believe in it. Sometimes, God warns of something which can be averted by prayer and penance once the message has come. We see an example of that in Jonah announcing God's message to Nineveh. But people prayed and did penance, and so the threatened calamity was averted.

    I need to read up on the status of LTTW in the Church more, but for now I trust Msgr. Esseff (he received spiritual direction from St. Padre Pio, and was himself spiritual director to St. Mother Theresa of Calcutta) and often approval from Priests and Theologians is a precursor to full approval by a Bishop.
     
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    Xavier,

    Below was posted by earthtoangels and Infant Jesus of Prague, on the 1st September in 2015

     
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    Not every false apparition has to have a ruling from the local Bishop. Every investigation takes lots of time and money so my understanding is they only focus on certain ones. As this one is riddled with problems I would suggest you not look to it as authentic. All I know about it is what I posted. As soon as I hear there are serious problems with a supposed "seer" I pass on it. As Josephite mentioned in the post above Msgr. Esseff seems to have distanced himself as well.

    In the Old Testament times people who claimed to speak for God had to be 100% right or they were stoned (with rocks I mean :confused:).
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Thank you for the information, Josephite. The book on Amazon is dated Jan 31, 2014. I guess Msgr. Esseff stopped supporting the messages soon after that point, then, based on the information you shared.

    Ok, Praetorian. It's just that I think the Fatima Consecration is still very important, and we can imho deduce as much even from Our Lady's words on Fatima. She promised the Catholic Church a great triumph, peace through Her Immaculate Heart, the conversion of Russia, and so much more. Today, what we are seeing is the opposite of it. So, I believe the Consecration is very important. It appears Locutions to the world has been discussed much at this forum. That's nice to know. I'll go look through those old threads, and I'm withholding any opinion on it till then. I still believe it is permitted, but there may be other reasons not to believe it. God bless.
     
  14. Not commenting about the current state of LTTW but only to correct something re: Msgr Esseff and his relation to this private revelation as alluded to in this comment above. As of the last communication with Msgr Esseff which was long after the silencing of the messages....via one who shared the platform with him at a retreat type session.....he continued/s to back the messenger and messages 110%. He feels they will be able to return as future proves past! He only objected to the use of his name on particular sites that re-published the ongoing messages at the time. And re: his directive to contact his local chancellery for any statements re: this, that was due to his being under obedience to his local bishop who felt that the presence of M. Esseff only continued the involvement of his diocese so he was directed to send any ongoing questions to the chancellery. And, btw, that diocese was NOT the one with authority over the messenger and this particular private revelation. People sometimes tend to take as fact things that have bases only in assumptions made within misinformation offered these days on social media.
     
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    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

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    Thanks, EarthtoAngels. That's a very helpful clarification on Msgr. John Esseff's support for the locutions. Anyway, may God grant we all correctly discern His Will.

    We can Consecrate ourselves to the Blessed Mother, keep the Saturdays as She has commanded, and pray for the Pope and Bishops to do their part for the Church's victory and the Immaculate Heart's triumph. May that Triumph come soon.

    "In the apparition of Fatima on July 13, 1917, Mary said, “You saw hell where the souls of poor sinners go; to save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If you do what I say, many souls will be saved and you will have peace…There will be wars, hunger, persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To impede this I come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and Eucharistic reparation on First Saturdays. If my desires are heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors through all the world, promoting persecutions against the Church. The good will be martyred and the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated …Suddenly the horizon will darken... Later, a brilliant ray of light and hope will arise…In the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph.” ...

    The key to Satan’s strategy, in our times, has been atheism, corruption of the faith, and the total secularization of humanity. As the Virgin in Fatima announced, Russia has gradually spread her errors, not only at the political level, but more importantly, she has spread her errors on a spiritual level through atheism, materialism and human secularism. These belief systems reduce man to believe only in the realities of the visible world and desire to put man in control of everything with no need for God ...

    Because of this, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart is necessary, for when the Church wages a battle like the one of our times, we are in need of a Mother to come to our aid, to take us to the desert (Rev. 12), hiding us in Her heart, feeding us with Her firm faith, Her disposition to the Word, Her obedience to the revelation of God; forming us with Her maternal mediation, with Her teachings, Her direction and counsels; and protecting us from evil, defending us in the battle for our souls, keeping us closely guarded in Her heart, where the devil can not enter or rob us. “Be not afraid, my Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and your safe path to God” (the Virgin Mary to Lucia).

    It is urgently necessary in these times for the Blessed Virgin to have a powerful victory over evil: the triumph of the Immaculate Heart, the triumph of grace over sin, of light over darkness, of truth over error, of holiness over corruption, of peace over war and violence. “The triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is necessary for the salvation of humanity, to show us Jesus, the blessed fruit of her womb” (John Paul II: Angelus, July 8, 1984).

    Pope John Paul II writes about a statement of Cardinal August Hlond when he [the cardinal] was dying: “‘The victory if it comes will come through Mary.’ After my election as Pope, as I became more involved in the problems of the universal Church, I came to a similar conviction: on this universal level, if victory comes it will be brought by Mary. Christ will conquer through her, because He wants the Church’s victories now and in the future to be linked to her” (Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p.220).

    The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart is also the triumph of the Church. The Holy Father has understood and taught that She will bring the new springtime to the Church; then the faith will reappear, the Church will shine, and the Heart of Christ will triumph." https://www.piercedhearts.org/mother_adela/immaculate_heart_triumph.htm
     
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  16. I don't remember any official pronouncements at the time by the diocese with authority over the messenger of LTTW. That diocese was NOT the one in which Msgr Esseff resided. I think the LTTW was more or less gradually removed from social media by decisions made individually due to latter messages re: Pope Francis' trip to New York which were taken, naturally, to be literal rather than in the context of earlier messages which Msgr Esseff spoke to as giving the fuller meaning. These were to be seen as in the plan coming from heaven as to what "should" or "must" occur to complete that plan, but still leaving the freedom of the Church authority to act on his own which may or may not influence that plan.

    That ongoing "plan of heaven" contained in other private revelations for those particular times also did or did not have the cooperation of the Church at the time and so the world was left wanting. Even the biggest one contained within even the Church approved private revelation of Fatima has caused ongoing suffering due to just that lack of full Church obedience and cooperation.

    Who knows???
     
  17. BTW, speaking to ongoing contemporary messages.....and this one having the new title given to the Blessed Mother as "Queen and Mother of the End Times" as well as that devotion both approved by the Bishop.....the Luz de Maria messages....this small portion of the most recent one, yet to be correctly translated from the Spanish, is rather pointed as well; this one given by St. Michael the Archangel to Luz de Maria (poor google translation):

    The Divine Truth does not change since it is Truth and contains the truth for all times. If Truth were subject to change, it would cease to be Divine Truth and God would not be God (cf. Jn 8: 31-32). Therefore as Chief of the celestial militias I summon you to exclaim: WHO [IS] LIKE GOD? (Cf. Rev. 12,7).

    The Church of Christ shudders and you, His children, must not deny faith, but be aware of that faith, its foundations so that it does not waver. KEEP IN THE TRUTH AND BE AWARE THAT THE DIVINE TRUTH HAS BEEN STORED THROUGH THE GENERATIONS.

    ...........

    Pray for the children of God to resist the coming announcements of the hierarchy of the Church.


     
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    Hi ETA, could you provide a link for Msgr. Esseff's continued support of LTTW?
    I am unable to find that.

    I did find links stating that in 2014 he hired a lawyer to disassociate himself from LTTW.
     
  19. Ha! There's no link. You think he's going to publicly annoy his own Bishop who wasn't the authority over this private revelation? He was directed to simply refer anyone inquiring of him about LTTW to the chancellery for replies. And the Bishop, if offering any personal opinion, explained then that he was not the authority over the private revelation himself. My comment only referenced a friend, pretty well known within a major current devotion of the Church, who knows the Monsignor through personal exchanges during a couple of platform sharings when both were invited to speak at same retreat settings. I asked my friend directly about his questioning Msgr Esseff re: his continued backing of the LTTW messages and messenger to whom he was spiritual advisor and that was the reply I received.....110% yes. Thought my comment relayed that fact. I also recall that Msgr Esseff, at least at that time, remarked that the messenger continued to receive messages, as personal, at that point.

    The lawyer took care of the linking of his name to the publication of LTTW. Obviously then he did not "disassociate himself" from the individual messenger or from his personal approval of the messages and this was after the messages had been stopped in the public dissemination. If he's changed his mind since then he hasn't told anyone specifically! I just know that after the media hullabaloo he still supported both.
     
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    Thanks ETA. Well publicly Msgr. Esseff has distanced himself from the messages and that is enough for me as well as them making wrong predictions. Without any direct statements from him that is all I can rely on.
     
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