The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. Beth B

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    That’s a real grace! I love St. Michael!
     
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    I've been saying that from day one. In fact, when that sham Grand Jury Report first broke I cited the excellent critique over at the Catholic League: https://www.catholicleague.org/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-debunked-2/

    What really bothered me when the PA Grand Jury report first broke was how many Catholic authorities here in my Diocese of Harrisburg just lapped this Report up like it was Gospel truth.

    In fact, when the "Catholic Sex Abuse Crisis" first broke up in Boston years ago, I smelled a rat. Sure, there are real cases of sex abuse in the Catholic Church. But it is a statstical fact that they are no worse than the incidents of sexual abuse in other secular institutions. The Sex Abuse Crisis is largely a Jewish-Freemason financial shakedown of the Catholic Church by her secular enemies, and they have largely succeeded becasue the Church authorities don't fight back or, as we see recently, bungle and compound it even further.

    Grand Juries have no place in any free society. They operate in secrecy. They are an organ of Freemasonry and have no place in a Christian nation. A Grand Jury was also involved in another scam and takedown of a well-respected Catholic authority-figure: Joe Paterno. The Deep State (Louis Freeh, good friend of Clinton and Mueller, led the charge) takedown of Paterno was a trial-run for much of what has come and is coming against the Catholic Church and legitimate authority in this nation.
     
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    For those poor souls abused by priests it doesn't help telling them that it is a statistical fact the church's 'record' is no worse than secular institutions.

    It is a poor when one has to rely on this kind of argument to down play the reality of abuse in the Church.

    There may be real problems with the Grand Jury report and these need to be challenged but nonetheless the abuse crisis was real and we need to be on our guard to make sure it never happens again.
     
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    Conspiracy to defraud and destroy the Church is also real and ongoing.
     
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    Sadly yes but aided and abetted from within her highest ranks. That is a tragic fact.
     
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    The problem is real...it needs exposed....and it’s been ignored, covered up and hidden for decades.

    If there were any faults with the report, it does not discredit the full scope of the syetimic nature of the vile, evil decades long filthy abuse of young boys, men, seminarians or others!

    I know multiple males who have taken their lives because of what this horrible abuse did to their lives. The church has know about this worldwide abuse and has covered it up and promoted the diocesan leaders who looked the other way or were predators themselves!

    If the government did anything wrong, it’s that they came too late to the rescue of the victims.
    I know of too many of these cases in my own diocese...that’s bad enough...but this is worldwide...the scope of which we’ve only begun to expose.

    If there is criticism to had, it’s the hierarchy of the Catholic Church that protected, covered up and allowed this to go on. They would not police themselves....if they had, the government would not have had a case. Priest and bishops in PA. Took the fifth! Refused to answer questions of the court...they are still covering up abuse...I know personally that this is happening still. The real blame goes to the church itself...
    And I’m no fan of the government! But the corrupt gang running the church government is worse because they are pretending to be faithful servants of God....hypocrites! God help them....but let’s help the victims now...before more take their lives from the pain these sick men inflicted on them and their life.
     
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    The conspiracy to destroy the Catholic Church is from the inside. Vile , evil men are running things now and are trying to destroy our church from WITHIN. The Masonic influence is at work...right inside the church.
    Take your blinders off...it’s a inside job. George Soros has his financially back groups as speakers advising the Vatican! The list is too long and the evidence is out there for anyone who cares to see.
     
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    Remember the Podesta emails? They intended to CHANGE the Church by the influence of their OWN PEOPLE/ALLIES. And then Benedict resigned. Not hard to connect the dots.
    And you are so right Beth. This is an inside job. God is using civil authorities to strip away the lies. They are no friend to the Church but neither were the Assyrians to the Israelites when God sent them to chastise his people.
     
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    Yes...the Podesta emails and Clinton working / coordinating with Vatican officials to help forward Hillary’s agenda. They all expected Hillary to win...and were working with that gang.

    The US bishops are pushing the democratic agenda of climate change/ immigration. I guess I’m just obsessed with the multiple millions of abortions being had according to the pope and that gang.

    It’s pretty bad when you have more confidence in the civil government than the church government....and that’s saying something.
     
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    A time of grief. Of unspeakable sorrow for the Church in her Passion. Her garments have been stripped away. How soon then will we get to the next Station of the Cross?
     
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    I am afraid for myself faith in the, 'Catholic League', was shattered when I learnt that it's spokesman, Bill Donohue was on a whopping $ 500 grand a year salary at the behest of disgraced (but still practising ) Cardinal Wuerl. He is bought and paid for.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/bill-donohue-cardinal-wuerls-high-priced-hit-man

    As to the problem of child abuse I think this is and remains a smoke screen for a much , much bigger problem in the Church and that is the twin issues of homosexuality amongst our clergy to its very highest ranks and the cover up off abuse at the very,very highest levels in our Church.

    Homosexuality which is linking to deep set heresy. In the light of all this the Penn Report is a side issue, I agree. But these are the real issues.

    I am afraid the Genie is out of the bottle and all the very, highly paid hit men like Bill Donohue or his paymaster Cardinal Weurl will not put it back in again.

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    Exactly!
     
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    I’ve watched this....and like all their videos recently, they are nailing it.

    If our church gets cleaned up, it will take the courage of all the laypeople to do it. The wolves will never clean their own den. These guys and others are charting the course.

    If you haven’t watched their you tube channel, please check it out. They are excellent...in my opinion.


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    They are good. Read the live chat.
     
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    I've looked at Bill Donahue as a Catholic lobbyist for many years now. Not a spiritual or religious man but someone who uses the voting Catholic block to his own advantage and to aid those whose clerical careers he intends to promote.

    Speaking of high salaried lay Catholic leaders, I recently discovered the immense salary of Carl Anderson, the Supreme Knight of the Knights of Columbus since 2000. He's not the only officer in the upper echelon of this organization. Remember that these figures are from 2014 and 2015. I'm sure more recent figures could be uncovered.

    From an article written in May 2017 (https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/knights-columbus-financial-forms-show-wealth-influence)

    "According to recent public financial documents, Anderson, chairman of the board and CEO, received total compensation of $2,289,806 in 2014. That amount was up from $2,063,818 in 2013. In 2015, the total amount of his compensation dropped to $1,277,232. The total compensation for Anderson is broken into a number of categories (all figures are for 2015): base compensation ($882,200); bonus and incentive compensation ($342,150); retirement and other deferred compensation ($7,797); and non-taxable benefits ($33,246)."

    "The 2014 and 2015 990 forms for Knights of Columbus list officers with titles and compensation. Some of the representative officers and their compensation (figures are for 2014 and 2015, in that order): Thomas Smith Jr., director, executive VP, INS (listed elsewhere as chief insurance officer), ($765,795, $972,213); Anthony Minopoli, senior VP, investments ($580,183, $661,809); Dennis Savoie, a former director and deputy supreme knight, collected a total of $600,311 in 2014, but was not on the list in 2015; Logan Ludwig, director, deputy supreme knight ($421,905, $517,115); Patrick Kelly, director, VP, public policy ($250,626, $275,640); John Marrella, director, supreme advocate ($511,391, $555,401); Charles Maurer Jr., director, supreme secretary ($381,251, $442,144); Michael O'Connor, director, supreme treasurer ($311,152, $342,545); Michael Conforti, medical director ($363,424, $381,449); Richard Plush, senior VP, product development ($469,313, $481,879)."
     
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    The only viable conclusion is that such people are complete atheists. If one believes in an omnipotent Supreme Being, an event such as a physical bodily resurrection presents no logical problem of plausibility, whatsoever.
    And this gentleman can rest assured that very many of us feel no need for liberation, at all.
     
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    I think a good standard of estimating anyone's true devotion to any cause is whether or not money is involved. A soldier for instance who fights without pay or force is a volunteer. On the other hand a soldier who fights simply for pay is a mercenary.

    Which is why celibacy amongst our clergy and religious is such a great thing. As Pope St Paul the vi put it celibacy is the jewel in the crown of the Church. It is a huge sign that the person is a giver rather than a taker.

    I can't take someone who is being paid 500 grand a year for defending the Church seriously. I just can't. In a similar way I can't take a Bishop who lives in a luxurious mansion seriously either.
    On the other hand I can take a St Francis of Assisi seriously right away. I can take St Mother Teresa of Calcutta seriously because she simply gave she never took.

    I think people have an instinctive understanding of this; young people especially. No profit or self gain being made is a great sign of an inner authenticity. You just can't beat it.

    John 10:12

    The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

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    There is probably only one thing worse than being rapaciously sodomised by a clergyman of the Catholic Church; and that is to be rapaciously sodomised by someone who is not a clergyman of the Catholic Church. The latter also means missing out on the consolation, wholly inadequate though it might be, of access to a goldmine.
     

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