Stick to the traditional Magisterium and the Rosary and other very pious devotions. Padraig, I don’t get out of my area for Mass very often, but when I go to the National Shrine, I do see many pious souls. We go where God calls us. He alone draws souls to Himself. I think that is why Our Lady said at Fatima, “many souls go to Hell because there is no one to pray for them.” We can intercede for them. I agree that we are in a Marian age. But think: years ago, the churches were packed. But was everyone in a state of grace? It was wonderful to hear about sin and Hell and Confession from the pulpit. But I don’t know. Only God knows if the people were there ftom habit or for show. I hope they were there because they loved God.
De-facto, the Church is already small and holy. As I see it through many credible prophecies, is it will manifest itself after the global collapse of all economies. This will take place from Global War and/or Global Natural Disasters pending God's command of his angles to allow for it as Revelations speaks to. Then the true believers, which are few now, will know the prophecy of Father Ratzinger is being fulfilled. What we can do is what our Lady has spoken of for 100 years. Pray the rosary. While this seems to simple, it is heavens only remedy and the saints have said as much.
Not so good,... CM needs to be made aware of this! https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/smuggling-lgbt-into-the-youth-synod-doc
This is how the Modernists do things. Sneaky and underhanded. So the Instrumentum Laboris is linked to the final document. And the Instrumentum Laboris uses the term LGBT. And the final document goes right into the Magisterium... Like a magician. Keep your eye on my right hand so you won't see what my left hand is doing. A truly Catholic teaching does not need to be hidden this way.
Very true! They may discard the LGBT term and exchange it with sexual orientation which is just a slight of hand to get their agenda in.
In this World Over video Robert Royal mentions Cardinal Marx as being tired of speaking of the LGBT issue, What does Cardinal Marx think?
If "sexual orientation" appears anywhere in the final document the church has failed Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. And this means to 2/3rds(!) of bishops have approved this. Can the Holy Spirit be truly present and be invoked when something like this happens? The spirit that lead to all truth? Nope.
It occurs to me that since it is so very,very important to be, 'Inclusive', of everyone then why is God not being, 'Inclusive' , as regards to heaven? Why do some souls get into heaven and other souls be excluded and sent to hell? This is especially true of sexual perverts who according to scripture and the 2,000 years old Teachings of the Church are guilty of serious sin will be sent to the Eternal Fires and the Worm that does not die? If Cardinal Cupich could fix that a Vatican Delegation be sent to heaven to represent to the Eternal Father the urgent need for, 'Inclusivity', it would be a very important first step to accompanying perverts and making sure that they feel properly welcome into Paradise. Perhaps while there they could stress to God the Father the need to have all souls already damned to be released and included in heaven as it is getting the Church a very bad press with the LGBT community here below. The Blessed Trinity certainly appear to need straightened out and Caridnal Cupich appears to be the very guy for the job. Lucky we have him. Thank you, Holy Father for teachign us all to be, 'Inclusive'. I have never read thsi word in Scripture, in the Teachings of the Church, in the Sermons of the Fathers, in the Lives of the Saints or indeed in what any previous Popes have taught. 'Inclusivity'. Wonderful. How did we all miss this? How did God the Father , the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ Our Lord miss this? Happily we have Caridnal Cupich to catch the fallen ball and set us all straight. 'Inclusivity'. ...errr right.
In fact, in yesterday's Gospel, what Jesus spoke of was the exact opposite of inclusivity. "Do you suppose that I am here to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division."
Great quote. I think Cardinal Cupich needs to straighten out Our Lady of Fatima too. She doesn't appear to have read the , 'Inclusivity', script either. In December of 1918, Francisco became sick with Spanish influenza. Soon afterwards, Jacinta also became ill with influenza and later pleurisy. Francisco willingly accepted his suffering and offered it for the conversion of lost souls. He died on April 4, 1919. He had grown so much spiritually since the first apparition. Jacinta also willingly accepted her suffering. She still vividly remembered the suffering souls in Hell in the vision of July 13, 1917 and was willing to endure much suffering to save souls. Jacinta's health deteriorated throughout 1919. At the end of that year she was moved to a hospital in Lisbon. Jacinta died in Lisbon on February 20, 1920. Our Lady appeared to Jacinta several times between December 1919 and February 1920. Our Lady told her many things including: "The sins of the world are very great ... If men only knew what eternity is, they would do everything in their power to change their lives.” "You must pray much for sinners and priests and religious.” "Priests must be pure, very pure. They should not busy themselves with anything except what concerns the Church and souls. The disobedience of priests and religious to their superiors and to the Holy Father gravely displeases Our Lord.” "Fly from riches and luxury; love poverty and silence; have charity, even for bad people.” "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason.” "Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much.” "The Mother of God wants more virgin souls bound by the vow of chastity.” "Woe to women wanting in modesty.” "Confession is a sacrament of mercy and we must confess with joy and trust.” "Many marriages are not of God and do not please Our Lord.” "Let men avoid greed, lies, envy, blasphemy, impurity.” "Never speak ill of anyone. Never complain or murmur. Be very patient, for patience leads us to Heaven.” "Our Lady can no longer uphold the arm of her Divine Son which will strike the world. If people amend their lives, Our Lord will even now save the world, but if they do not, punishment will come.” "If the government of a country leaves the Church in peace and gives liberty to our Holy Religion, it will be blessed by God.” "Tell everybody that God gives graces through the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Tell them to ask graces from her, and that the Heart of Jesus wishes to be venerated together with the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Ask them to plead for peace from the Immaculate Heart of Mary, for the Lord has confided the peace of the world to her.”
Dolours, I agree that the Crux article that I posted appears to be over the top, I think that is what you mean here. I believe we will know tomorrow if this Crux article has it right or not but there is a fair amount of concern over the final document of this synod in regards to the inclusion of "synodality". It all reminds me of what Ross Douthat stated about Pope Francis. Imo, the pope is acting like a parent who is letting the kids run amok and then when they get themselves into trouble I wonder if he will simply remind them that it was their own choice. My other thought is that since they realized that they would not be successful in including LGBT+ outright into the document they decided to firmly state that they realize that there are so many differences between the various dioceses in the world that they can't possibly come to an agreement on things but that is not how the Church works. I think that is what the papal posse is stating in the video that Blizzard posted above, they basically say that this synod did not reaffirm the Church's teachings and if anything it created more confusion. PS- I don't know very much about Bishop Holley in Tennessee but the situation regarding this bishop was also briefly discussed in the World Over video which Blizzard posted. The discussion is at the very end of the video above and they stated that he was removed because he moved more than half the pastors in his diocese around without much regard. Although, I just saw that Raymond Arroyo tweeted the following article today, Bishop Holley says 'revenge,' not ‘mismanagement’ led to his removal By JD Flynn | October 25, 2018 | https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...e-not--mismanagement-led-to-his-removal-99505 Blizzard, They are all very good, all three gentleman. I caught the following video yesterday on EWTN. It appears that they ran a special series on the Youth Synod, I was unaware of this until yesterday. At @ the 7 minute mark they briefly discuss this new concern of "synodality". There is a new segment to this series today and tomorrow at 5pm ET for those who may be interested; maybe at 11pm ET also or it maybe a re-airing of the 5pm show, I'm not sure. *** (Daniel Ibanez/CNA) Blogs Edward Pentin | Oct. 25, 2018 | http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...t-thrusts-the-issue-of-synodality-to-the-fore Draft of Final Document Thrusts Synodality to the Fore The subject was hardly discussed during this month’s meeting, and yet it dominates the third part of the draft document, surprising many of the Synod Fathers. An element of the draft final document of the Youth Synod of concern to some Synod Fathers this week has been the unexpected addition of the theme of “synodality” — a word that has come to mean decentralizing and democratizing the Church and the magisterium away from the papacy and the Vatican to local churches. The subject was hardly discussed during this month’s meeting, and yet it dominates the third part of the draft document, surprising many of the Synod Fathers. After several days of debate and tabling of amendments (modi) to the draft, the final document will be voted on by 267 Synod Fathers Saturday, concluding the Oct. 3-28 synod on the theme: “Young People, the Faith and Vocational Discernment.” The Register has seen the relevant texts on synodality, which consist of three chapters, two of which are entitled The Missionary Synodality of the Church, and Synodality in Everyday Life. This month’s synod has reawakened synodality, the document says, which it defines in various ways, including listening, collaborating and dialogue with all people of good will, especially those on the peripheries. Pope Francis has long advocated a “synodal” Church, one in which everyone listens to one another and learns from them. The concept of synodality is an ancient one and is generally understood to represent a process of discernment, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, involving all the faithful. In a key address on the subject in October 2015, Francis said the “journey of synodality is the journey that God wants from his Church in the third millennium.” A synodal Church, he added, is one of “reciprocal listening” in which each person “has something to learn.” The model of governance was especially favored by the late Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini who hoped for “a sort of permanent council of regents for the Church, beside the Pope.” He was one of the first to propose the model of a “synodal” Church in which the Pope no longer governs as an absolute monarch. Asked at a synod press briefing Thursday what synodality means, Archbishop Hector Miguel Cabrejos Vidarte of Trujillo, Peru, said it is about more than Church governance — it involves all the faithful in a spirit of collaboration. “When I say everyone, I don’t just mean the Church as in the bishops, priests. No! It is also the laity and the faithful at all levels,” he said. “And all of us bishops are called — and this is part of that synodality — to make collaboration grow.” Archbishop Cabrejos said it involves the entire Church “walking together,” not only with young people who are in the Church but “also with those who are far, with nonbelievers.” And yet, about a dozen Synod Fathers voiced deep concerns about its inclusion during general congregations held to debate the draft Wednesday. They believe its more “horizontal” style of governing the Church could potentially place synods and their teaching above the authority of the pope. They further argue that it marks such a change in Church governance that it deserves much greater attention and perhaps a synod dedicated to the concept. continued...
continued from above... The overriding concern is that it could easily be exploited by various groups and individuals, influenced by fads and the spirit of the world, to undermine the Church’s teaching and unity. This is especially of concern now that Pope Francis has applied the weight of the papal magisterium to synod final documents if he wishes (some theologians believe the Pope would exceed his powers if he did so). They also wonder why the need to promote synodality now, when the Anglican Communion, which has long had a synodal model of Church governance, has been torn apart by it. Speaking to the Register on condition of anonymity Oct. 25, various sources inside and outside the Youth Synod said they are concerned the inclusion of synodality in the final document is simply in anticipation of next year’s Pan-Amazonian synod, which they believe will be used to introduce married clergy in the Latin rite (priest shortages in the Amazonian region could be used in the context of a synod to permit a far wider provision). They also believe it is being used to smuggle in a softening of the Church’s teaching on irregular unions, in particular homosexual relations. The draft document’s third chapter on synodality, for example, speaks of the need, requested by young people, for a deeper anthropological study of sexuality to be carried out in a synodal style. “We thought the LGBT issue was the important one,” said a synod source, “but the real issue is this one, because if that doesn’t pass, they can circle back around and get this introduced locally through synodality.” The synod fathers therefore called it a “dangerous” and “imprudent” move, especially if it isn’t adequately explained or understood. Cardinal Vincent Nichols of Westminster, England, was especially opposed, according to multiple sources, saying he has seen other ecclesial communities such as the Anglican Communion use it and it “doesn’t work.” Modi were submitted to change it. Cardinal Oswald Gracias, a member of the drafting committee of the final document, has also expressed his reticence about the inclusion of synodality in the document. Sources say Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna sought to play down the concerns, telling the synod it is merely a realization of Pope St. Paul VI’s vision of synodality and is not about governance, although he told reporters Oct. 26 that synodality “concerns the functioning of the Church.” Force for Good? If handled correctly, some see synodality as an authentic force for good. The synodal model was intended to “increase communion between bishops and the pope,” said Dominican Father Thomas Petri, the vice president and academic dean of the Dominican House of Studies in Washington D.C. — something, he added, which Francis “articulated” in his 2018 apostolic constitution on synods, Episcopalis Communio. Opus Dei Father Robert Gahl, an associate professor of moral philosophy at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome, similarly underscored the strength of the synodal model, saying it resonates with Vatican II and Pope St. John Paul II’s emphasis on lay participation. The young people’s contributions at this synod, he added, “can offer a creative voice to catalyze effective pastoral efforts of formation, discernment and sanctification.” But they both also acknowledged the dangers. Father Petri drew on the precedent of the 2014 and 2015 Synods on the Family and resulting “ambiguities,” which led to concerns that it opened the door to pastoral practices that “diverge” from universal ones “grounded in revealed teaching.” Synods, the Dominican priest said, are dependent on the Pope exercising his role “clearly and effectively” to create agreement, unite bishops, confirm teaching and correct conclusions if necessary. If ambiguity is allowed to remain, he said, it can give the impression of “synodism or conciliarism” that places such gatherings and their teaching over the authority of the Pope. Father Gahl warned that “any attempt to democratize the Church would be dangerous” as it is the Church that “hands down a divine message” and is “not merely a place of consensus building through democratic processes.” Synod fathers have an “obligation to act in communion with the entire People of God,” he said, “which includes the saints in heaven.” But Catholic synodality would not necessarily have the same negative effects as the Anglican model. “The Petrine charism should, in principle, prevent synodism or an Anglicanism according in the Church,” said Father Petri, but he added: “This has not been tested.” Others say it is dependent on the Petrine authority keeping the barque of Peter on course, rather than being “hands off,” which has been a criticism of Pope Francis’ style of governance, for example on the recent controversy over intercommunion for Protestant spouses. In Anglicanism, synods have been effective in liberalizing once-orthodox institutions, which is said to be why those pushing heterodox positions are strong advocates for synodality, but Father Petri is “not sure” Francis’ “overarching aim is to liberalize Catholic teaching and practice, “no matter how much those around him or those who claim to speak for him want us to believe that.” Others, however, disagree, and believe the Pope is using synodality precisely to liberalize Church teaching and effectively “protestantize” the Church. They cite the softening of the Church’s teaching on Holy Communion for some “remarried” divorcees that followed the Synods on the Family. They have also been made suspicious by how this issue has been inserted into the synod with little time to discuss it, and the fact that the International Theological Commission’s recent paper on the subject, released with little publicity, shows that this has probably been the intention all along. This has led to a perception of synods being geared towards undermining Catholic doctrine and morals as some previous synods have been. The Synod of Pistoia in 1786, for example, was universally condemned as heretical by Pope Pius VI in 1794 who said it introduced “troublesome novelties under the guise of a sham reform” and was convoked by bishops who were “innovators in the art of deception.” Francis' vision of synodality, critics say, is more similar to the Protestant model, and likely to foster disunity, with different voices no longer univocally preaching the Gospel as Christ gave it to his apostles and passed on through the centuries. But according to Father Gahl, Pope Francis “promotes synodality not to dilute doctrine but to foster participation.” The Pope’s intention, he believes, is “to open new gates to the Holy Spirit so that the Sanctifier may effectively speak through every Christian.”
The LifeSite article was published the day before the CM video (released today) so I'm not sure which news is more up-to-date?
Padraig, I feel so lucky to be able to read what you write here. Where I work the same word 'Inclusive' is way too overused, I'm sick of it. The new world mantra I am hearing is: inclusion, diversity, gender balance, starting to make me want to vomit.
