Youth Synod

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by Fatima, Oct 3, 2018.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

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    You are right, it's weird and strange and sad. Bishop Holley said Mass in my parish when he was an auxiliary bishop of DC. I was impressed by him, (not sure with my memory, but this was probably a Confirmation) and his sermon was orthodox. He was kindly. He was soft-spoken.
    I am posting a link to "blogger priest", Fr. Joe Jenkins, who was mentioned in one of the comments of the article you posted, Dolours. I taught "blogger priest" in my catechism class many years ago. I knew his mother. He is an orthodox priest, and a pastor of a parish in Maryland. He is outspoken about the shameful treatment received by Bishop Holley.

    https://bloggerpriest.com/2018/10/25/shocked-by-bishop-holleys-forced-retirement/
     
  2. SgCatholic

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    Reading this post, I had a thought.
    Our Lady did petition her Son without being asked to; to save the wedding couple from embarrassment due to the lack of wine.

    And now, there is much, much more at stake than the fear of embarrassment.
     
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  3. SgCatholic

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    There is an important distinction we must make.
    In that scripture verse, the scribes and pharisees were preaching the right way; the way of truth. Even when they themselves were not practising what they preached.
    Our current situation is different.
    The ones who are 'sitting in Moses' seat' are preaching falsehoods; against Jesus' teachings.
    So we can not and must not 'practise what they preach'.
     
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  4. SgCatholic

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    How will the church become very small and very holy?
    It seems that a schism would have to happen.
    And a schism will probably be the inevitable result when and if the good Cardinals decide to speak out.
    For what can the good and true Church have to do with the dark and false church?
    I agree. Let it be so.
     
  5. padraig

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    I don't think God has or will grant these dreadful people to change the actual teachings of the Church.

    They have been granted the power to change their own interpretations of Church Teachings or to cloud it in ambiguity. God has not permitted them , so to speak to enter the Holy of Holies. People, even as individuals a;ways had the choice to choose to intrepret Catholic Teaching wrongly for thier own evil ends, so in one sense there is nothing new in this.

    Fr Paul of Moll used to say that the devil is on a tight leash. I believe this is especailly true of Holy Mother Chruch. He has been granted by the Good God very Great Power at the moment to try His Church. Even so their are grave limits.

    A for instance the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception. I don't believe for a moment God would grant them the power to somehow revoke this. They might have the power to obscure it or misintertpret it but not to enter the Holy of Holies and revoke it. What I mean is even they are limited; though they appear everywhere Triumphant. I think in some manner they of the demons that control them know or sense this. That there are severe limits to their power.

    That they do not have Carte Blanche. Though it might seem like they do. They are permitted to try Holy Mother Church; never to overcome her.
     
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  6. padraig

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  7. SgCatholic

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    But Amoris Laetitia was made out to be a magisterial document. So, the falsehood about adulterous relationships of the divorced and remarried being something that 'what for now, God Himself is asking' has been included as official teaching of the Church.

    https://onepeterfive.com/cardinal-schonborn-says-amoris-laetitia-binding-doctrine/
     
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  8. HeavenlyHosts

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    Wonderful
     
  9. HeavenlyHosts

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    As Padraig said above, “they appear everywhere triumphant “
    Key word is “appear”
     
  10. SgCatholic

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    I was referring to the following statement:
    I've also edited my post above #187 to add a link to an article about cardinal schonborn saying AL is binding doctrine.
     
  11. padraig

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    Cardinal Schonborn saying that the moon is made of green cheese does not make it so.
     
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  12. SgCatholic

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    Well, he is the one PF said 'is a great theologian'. So, he has the pope behind him.
     
  13. HeavenlyHosts

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  15. SgCatholic

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    I am not sure where the gap is in the ongoing discussion.

    I was trying to say that the current occupiers of the 'seat of Moses' differ from those that Jesus referred to in that scripture passage, because the current ones are not preaching the truth, but falsehoods instead. So we must not listen to them. We cannot 'practise and observe everything they tell you'.
    Padraig replied that God will not allow Church teaching to be changed.
    I gave the example of AL, which definitely changes what has always been taught about marriage and divorce, being given the status of a magisterial document.
    So, isn't that changing Church teaching then?
     
  16. Praetorian

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    Yes. They cannot change the Church Teachings, but they may be able to obscure them and make it seem to the average Catholic that the Teaching has been changed.

    There is a guess by the famed Fatima Scholar Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité who in guessing what the continuation of the phrase "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc..." said something to this effect. That the dogma may become obscured.

    Perhaps as the moon is eclipsed, so will be the true Teaching of the Church.
    They will be there, but hidden from view.
     
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  17. padraig

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    Yes but one thing I have noticed on the forum is how very, very alert people are to what is going on. This, in the first place must be because ofa very good religious formation. But I wonder if it could be otehr factors as well? Perhaps having a Devotion to the Blessed Virgin? Perhaps having a good, deep prayer life? Perhaps a greater attention to Churchaffiars.

    Whatever it is if the entire Church had a similiar attitude what is happening in Rome and round the world would never have gotten off the ground.

    But Our LAdy had referred to a Faithful Remnant. This is a source of great consolationt to me. No matter how bad things get there are people who will see clearly and wil lfollow Faithfully.

    Also perhpas it is my imagination but these days in Church I seem to see very,very many saints. I have always noted holy people in Churches but these days they seem to be everywhere. Many of them very striking. Saints in fact. You can see this on the internet too, right round the world. I wodner if anyone else has noticed this?
     
  18. Praetorian

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    Yes it seems that those who are faithful to the Teachings of the Church can see things clearly, but the average Catholic in the pews who doesn't pay attention to the wool being pulled over their eyes is in big trouble. Well, we're all in big trouble, but those who aren't paying attention are in bigger trouble.

    I think you are right that Our Lady plays a big part in this. It is why praying the Rosary and staying close to her is so important right now. She is our lifeline as the Barque is being battered with waves. Jesus has chosen to put His Mother in the spotlight right now. We must follow and cling to her.
     
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  19. padraig

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    God will be merciful. But the Cathechism of the Church is very specific, that those who do not pray will most certainly not be saved. How I long for the Illumination of Conscience to save souls! Perhaps I am worng but my snese of things is that very few souls are praying and those who do so very seldom and in a very poor way. But hopefully I am worng.
     
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  20. Praetorian

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    The scariest part is that Cardinal Schonborn was the editor of the revision of the Catechism of the Catholic Church!
     
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